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Sydney Morning Herald reports that Australia now has more guns than before its gun law reform after the Port Arthur Massacre.

The "Gun lobby" has also grown in power due to "unintended consequences" of the reform since it is easier to get a gun if you are an active member in a gun club.

Gun ownership per household is down, gun violence is down, but there's more guns.

What are your thoughts on this?

Even with this knowledge it sounds like it would be in the NRA's interest to follow suit for the U.S. right? More power for them, more guns in hands of the right people ("sensible gun owners").
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Still not as impressive as THESE guns *flexes*.
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Still not as impressive as THESE guns *flexes*.


*takes out microscope*

Wow, those are an absolute leap forward in nanotechnology!
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Even with this knowledge it sounds like it would be in the NRA's interest to follow suit for the U.S. right? More power for them, more guns in hands of the right people ("sensible gun owners").


If anything, you can argue that it arms the fanatics, as the lower guns per household, in conjunction with the quantity of guns implies that some stockpiling may be in effect.

There are many in the US that own guns responsibly that don't align with the NRA. This concept doesn't really suggest much to imply this is a better alternative to an outright ban.
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Also as someone who knows many many people that own legally acquired firearms in Australia, and many that own multiple legal firearms, I really can't see this boiling over any time soon, if ever.
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I think the main thing here is that Australia has very few Americans.


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Sydney Morning Herald reports that Australia now has more guns than before its gun law reform after the Port Arthur Massacre.

The "Gun lobby" has also grown in power due to "unintended consequences" of the reform since it is easier to get a gun if you are an active member in a gun club.

Gun ownership per household is down, gun violence is down, but there's more guns.

What are your thoughts on this?

Even with this knowledge it sounds like it would be in the NRA's interest to follow suit for the U.S. right? More power for them, more guns in hands of the right people ("sensible gun owners").

It is easier to get a gun if you are an active member of a gun club. BUT

Gun clubs over here don't let in every Tom, Dick and Harry, and members who don't align with safe practices etc are often booted out of clubs. Lots of gun clubs now have a pretty rigorous vetting process where they'll do background checks into potential applicants to determine if they should be allowed into their club.
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I think the main thing here is that Australia has very few Americans.

And we don't ever plan on changing that.
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Also as someone who knows many many people that own legally acquired firearms in Australia, and many that own multiple legal firearms, I really can't see this boiling over any time soon, if ever.

Most firearm owners that have multiple weapons are farmers, it's not like people stockpile caches of weapons in their garage, it's more likely you've got Farmer Joe down the road who has a few different rifles and shotguns for them to use for vermin control.
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I think the main thing here is that Australia has very few Americans.

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can i have some please?


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can i have some please?

You might want to take it from the spare popcorn, and not the one that's quite securely in my lap...
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You might want to take it from the spare popcorn, and not the one that's quite securely in my lap...

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It is easier to get a gun if you are an active member of a gun club. BUT

Gun clubs over here don't let in every Tom, Dick and Harry, and members who don't align with safe practices etc are often booted out of clubs. Lots of gun clubs now have a pretty rigorous vetting process where they'll do background checks into potential applicants to determine if they should be allowed into their club.

And we don't ever plan on changing that.

Most firearm owners that have multiple weapons are farmers, it's not like people stockpile caches of weapons in their garage, it's more likely you've got Farmer Joe down the road who has a few different rifles and shotguns for them to use for vermin control
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Precisely.


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19th century martini-action rifle x1 - DEACTIVATED

You can't shoot a bell myna with a rifle (easily) and a 12 gauge is too big - solution = .410
You can't shoot a deer with a .22 and you wouldn't waste a .308 on a rabbit
Vermin come in different sizes, and to make the job easier you need the right tools for the job
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Maybe everyone should start stockpiling spears, or have a go at killing a wild pig with their bare hands
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and you wouldn't waste a .308 on a rabbit
Pshyeah I would lol
Die rabbit die.
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i have always admired australia's gun policy and how quickly they responded to the port arthur massacre. i remember will saying it but he might've been quoting someone, but he said something along the lines of how it was clear that america would never ban guns because there was no reaction to the sandy hook

props australia
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Pshyeah I would lol
Die rabbit die.

But you have to eat that rabbit
A .308 round would get rid of that meat

don't eat wild Australian rabbit without checking it for a myriad of viruses like myxomatosis
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i have always admired australia's gun policy and how quickly they responded to the port arthur massacre. i remember will saying it but he might've been quoting someone, but he said something along the lines of how it was clear that america would never ban guns because there was no reaction to the sandy hook

props australia

tbh if America just said "no more guns that were designed with the intent to be used on human beings in the hands of unlicensed civilians" it's be cool
Unfortunately, there are idiots in said country that think they are having their rights taken away. Firearms should be a privilege, not a right

/opinion
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yeah i agree, and i think that's the crux of it. in america the argument over gun control isn't about human safety, but constitutional rights. for some reason words on an old piece of paper are more important than the thousands that are killed every year, but whatever
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But you have to eat that rabbit
A .308 round would get rid of that meat

don't eat wild Australian rabbit without checking it for a myriad of viruses like myxomatosis
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If guns are eradicated from the earth humans will simply use other methods to kill one another hammer, knives, clubs, axes, cannibalism and my personal favorite killing method death by flatulation
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yeah i agree, and i think that's the crux of it. in america the argument over gun control isn't about human safety, but constitutional rights. for some reason words on an old piece of paper are more important than the thousands that are killed every year, but whatever


Based on that, we should also ban religion worldwide, no?

And once we do that, no one will ever kill anyone again?
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Based on that, we should also ban religion worldwide, no?

And once we do that, no one will ever kill anyone again?


That's exactly the sort of logical fallacy you'd take great joy in pointing out to someone else imo.
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That's exactly the sort of logical fallacy you'd take great joy in pointing out to someone else imo.


The second sentence was pure hyperbole of course, but what logical fallacy do you suppose I engaged in?
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Dunno the name of it.

But saying a solution to one problem is invalid because other problems also exist, however related they are, is silly.
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Don't gun-related death rates in Australia run around 1 per 100,000 or summat? And trending downward?

A big difference between there and 'merica is that a lot of American gun-related deaths are completed suicide attempts, which probably have different etiologies than homicides

It's about time we had another one of these threads
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But the difference is that in Australia guns are NEEDED. They have saltwater crocodiles, 7/10's of the world's most venomous snakes, spiders that can kill people, plus they have battalions of Great White Sharks circling the continent like it's a dinner table.

In the USA....not so much. Here the chief reason for buying a gun is compensation for having a tiny willy.
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Dunno the name of it.

But saying a solution to one problem is invalid because other problems also exist, however related they are, is silly.


If you're going to accuse me of something, perhaps it would be a good idea to know what the fuck it is?

R: "You committed a logical fallacy!"

A: "Really? Which one?"

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You also read far more into those two sentences than the words suggested.

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Here the chief reason for buying a gun is compensation for having a tiny willy.


Given that women are buying firearms at an ever-increasing rate, I'm not sure your theory can be supported...
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Dunno the name of it.

But saying a solution to one problem is invalid because other problems also exist, however related they are, is silly.


fallacy of relative privation
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Sun's out guns out and it's very sunny down there 🏋💪👈
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I said I didn't know the name of it.

I then described what I meant when I said logical fallacy.

Disagree with it, sure, but whether or not that line of thinking has a snappy name or not is irrelevant.

I mean I understand what you're saying I think. Guns, like religion, are only dangerous in the hands of already bad people. But I don't think banning or controlling weapons is anywhere near as bad as banning or controlling ideas, and the former would have a far more tangible impact on saving lives than the latter, in my opinion.

This post is probably full of Fogical Lallacy anyway so feel free to disregard it.
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fallacy of relative privation


Nope. While the second sentence could be considered a red herring, it's more an appeal to ridicule than a relative privation fallacy.
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Let's be clear, I'm 'taking issue' with the first sentence as the second was blatantly tongue-in-cheek.

But my time spent in America was at too young an age to really have an opinion on guns beyond 'people shouldn't have them'
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People who know all the different kinds of fallacies are the worst.
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But I don't think banning or controlling weapons is anywhere near as bad as banning or controlling ideas


Why? You've already conceded that it's not the tool that's dangerous, it's the idea. No one picks up a weapon to cause others harm without a controlling idea behind the action.

Perhaps you meant that banning the tool seems easier?

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Appealing to ignorance?
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Nope. While the second sentence could be considered a red herring, it's more an appeal to ridicule than a relative privation fallacy.


Yeah, that's fair. It's a moral equivalence fallacy (like you said, a red herring/problem with relevance) broadly more than something to do with comparing relatives woes.

Erik's not wrong lol

But really, let's not get too off-topic because guns kill babies. yeah
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I said I understood what you were saying, I didn't say I agreed. It also doesn't make either of us right.

Perhaps banning the tool is easier, but why does that make it the wrong option? And why should that be the only option?

But the minute you start to ban thoughts and ideas you get on a slippery slope (logical fallacy alert!!) towards a point where certain thoughts and ideas are banned because they don't suit those in power.

You don't arrest someone for wanting to kill another person, you arrest them for actually killing, or attempting to. Laws should govern actions, not motivations.

But I'm also not going to get dragged into a massive argument about guns just because of a flippant comment about how you chose to word a post directed at someone else because I really don't have the time for it.
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Given that women are buying firearms at an ever-increasing rate, I'm not sure your theory can be supported...


Since women don't have willies at all I think it would lend that much more creedence to my statement!
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