#2
ugh
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#3
this belongs in the anime thread
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#5
yes this is a very good thing all people who get these are commendable people and deserve social recognition
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#6
Back when I browsed b I saw a guy make a loli sex doll out of two pillows, an iPad with an anime face and a fleshlight

i mean I don't know if that's better or worse but at least someone else has to remember that now
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#7
Interesting loophole, prolly a good thing.
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#8
Bette+r they fuck dolls than actual kids

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#9
that image is unnerving srsly
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#10
genuinely looks like a dead child
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as i walk through the chalet of the shadow of death
everything that you've come to expect


#12
no my+ keboard is being dodgy and adding pluses everywhere

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#13
uhm...
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#14
I've wondered if the pedophile rights movement will be the next big thing.
Germany already offers them confidential treatment, which I think is probably better than giving them sex dolls. It doesn't really solve the problem or help them integrate into society.
#15
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genuinely looks like a dead child

so what's the problem?
#17
i think this discussion is underdeveloped
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#19
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i think this discussion is underdeveloped


I wonder if it just gives them practice or something (shudder) rather than an "outlet," which I think is the idea behind it. Something akin to the harm reduction movement in drug use/abuse circles where it gets taken up as a reason to continue self-harming and other-harming behaviors.

this could go straight to a transhumanist discussion though, with a little head-scratching
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#20
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I wonder if it just gives them practice or something (shudder) rather than an "outlet," which I think is the idea behind it. Something akin to the harm reduction movement in drug use/abuse circles where it gets taken up as a reason to continue self-harming and other-harming behaviors.

this could go straight to a transhumanist discussion though, with a little head-scratching

bro get that shit out of here. im trying to finish like 45 pages on all that right now while listening to the Scar Symmetry album about transhumanism


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#21
Yeah, harm-reduction-with-sex-dolls for pedophiles could be a good idea given chemical castration seems excessively coercive and is often ineffective. From another perspective, perhaps it's endorsing pedophilia and could encourage the undesired outcome (e.g., molestation, child porn, etc.).
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#22
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Bette+r they fuck dolls than actual kids


This
Anything is good if it:
-Stops child abuse
-Stops alienating and demonizing people who have no control over their sexual attraction (only talking about actual clinical pedophiles here)

What I do fear about these kind of actions though, is proposing and implementing them short-sightedly (which I dunno if its the case). Giving child-like sex dolls to pedophiles might prevent them from satisfying their urges with actual children, or may not, it depends on how giving them said doll is used as treatment.

Like Aeorian said, it could be compared to drug use. If there is a heroin abuse problem, you could just straight up give heroin adicts free "safe" heroin whenever they ask. It would be better than the alternative (using dirty needles, buying drugs from drug lords), right? Well, if they are addict they will continue to use your "free" heroin anyways and their health problems would still persist, so you didn't really solve the core issue (their addiction).
If you just give pedophiles a sex doll, you might have prevented some bad stuff, but their actual problem is still there and could even make them act on children at some point if they get used to it or something.

I believe the correct way is to have unbiased treatment of it, like if it was any other medical/psychological issue. Giving them sex dolls would be part of said treatment I suppose (but dunno, I'm not an expert on that kind of stuff). The most important thing right now would be research into their condition, possible treatments, etc, which I don't think is something that's really promoted anywhere in the world, at least not in ways that would make it produce actual results that could help everybody out.

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I've wondered if the pedophile rights movement will be the next big thing.
Germany already offers them confidential treatment, which I think is probably better than giving them sex dolls. It doesn't really solve the problem or help them integrate into society.


I think I said it before, but in terms of how the individual is, a pedophile isn't any different than any other person with sexual preferences that deviate from the "norm" (e.g homosexuals, people with fetishes, etc). The only difference is in terms of how those individuals and their sexual preference relates to the society around them (homosexuals are free to persue their sexuality and live normal lives, but pedophiles should never ever persue their sexuality with actual children).

Their specific sexual attraction shouldn't impact any kind of empathy you should or shouldn't have on any of them. The only thing that it should impact is on how you (as a society) decide to "treat" the way that person can connect their sexuality with the rest of society in a way that is best for all parties involved.
#23
Though it does spark the following question. If you had all the power in the world, what of these 2 would you choose?:

1) Treat pedophiles sexuality as we treat any other kind of sexuality and be liberal about it. Let them express it, let it be part of our culture, etc. You just need to provide 100% safe ways for them to do so (e.g sex robots). For example, male homosexuals aren't going around raping male heterosexuals because it's the only way for them to express their sexuality. No, they indeed have a safe "outlet" to do so (find other male homosexuals). Why would it work any different with pedophiles? If they have a safe outlet that's socially accepted, then none of them would molest any children any more than any male homosexual would rape other people.

2) Treat it as a medical condition that needs to be cured and cure every pedophile of it. I.e pedophilia would be a mental disease as any other (like alzheimers, etc) and all of your effort should be done in trying to "cure" someone of it. If you were someone like God you would instantly "cure" pedophilia from any person that exists right now and would exist in the future.

Which is the right thing to do? And depending on your answer, how does it relate to any other kind of sexuality (if you choose option 2 for example)?
#24
Nah they'll only get a taste for the flesh eventually. Castration just to be safe
#25
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2) Treat it as a medical condition that needs to be cured and cure every pedophile of it. I.e pedophilia would be a mental disease as any other (like alzheimers, etc) and all of your effort should be done in trying to "cure" someone of it. If you were someone like God you would instantly "cure" pedophilia from any person that exists right now and would exist in the future.


It is a medical condition

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as i walk through the chalet of the shadow of death
everything that you've come to expect


#26
i can accept or at least entertain the idea of pedophilia being a mental disorder. but do they have like a 300% more active sex drive or something? so we don't tolerate people having sex with kids, so if these people do not have a more 'uncontrollable' sex drive, why would we tolerate them simulating the act? if it stops them from having sex with kids then that's good, but maybe a better approach would be getting them to stop acting on the feelings of having sex with kids.

idk this isn't something that i understand very well. i've deliberately not learnt too much about it because the concept of pedophilia is really disturbing to me. sorry if stuff i'm saying is common sense or totally stereotypically discriminatory or whatever

tl;dr, i don't see how child sex dolls help people who are pedophiles, rather than addressing a symptom of it.
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it's all coming back

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#27
goddammit I made a good pun
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#28
Creepy.

They're not even 2D.
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#29
btw I removed the image from the OP because that shit was creeping me out
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#30
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i can accept or at least entertain the idea of pedophilia being a mental disorder. but do they have like a 300% more active sex drive or something? so we don't tolerate people having sex with kids, so if these people do not have a more 'uncontrollable' sex drive, why would we tolerate them simulating the act? if it stops them from having sex with kids then that's good, but maybe a better approach would be getting them to stop acting on the feelings of having sex with kids.

idk this isn't something that i understand very well. i've deliberately not learnt too much about it because the concept of pedophilia is really disturbing to me. sorry if stuff i'm saying is common sense or totally stereotypically discriminatory or whatever

tl;dr, i don't see how child sex dolls help people who are pedophiles, rather than addressing a symptom of it.


its simple
you give them whatever help you can give them
if they act on their mental disability you put them in jail
if they don't then good on them

oh you're on about the doll. it's creepy as fuck but if it's not hurting real children then eh. it's weird but ehhhh.
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#31
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#32
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Hmmm. Is there a list or description of how each type of "sexuality" works biologically? Pedophilia is a medical condition, but homosexuality isn't, right? What about other stuff, like a foot fetish, or necrophilia, coprophilia, and all the other weird ones?
What is the definitive guide about them?
#33
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let me escape


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#34
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btw I removed the image from the OP because that shit was creeping me up


ftfy, lel
#35
On the one hand a kid doll might possibly prevent a pedo from wanting an actual kid

On the other hand, you have to be a massive loser to buy a sex doll and they should be discouraged for that reason
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#36
If the individual's urges and acting on them were squelched by provision of one of these dolls, as creepy as we seem to think they are, it could create the greatest good for the greatest number.

My primary concerns are that it makes the idea more accessible, and that it'll develop a cultural (scary to think of that group as a culture) idea/understanding that nothing compares to the real thing. The first thing that came to mind reading this and looking for parallel situations was the 14/15/16 year old locker room talk and the obsession with doing the nasty. They created this nice little baseball analogy with waypoints and checkboxes. It was understood that fornication was the ultimate goal, and that you weren't hitting the apex of enjoyment unless you climbed that mountain and bellowed from that hilltop.

So - would this squelch or reduce crimes against kids? Or would it create a more accessible path leading to the apex?
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#37
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Hmmm. Is there a list or description of how each type of "sexuality" works biologically? Pedophilia is a medical condition, but homosexuality isn't, right? What about other stuff, like a foot fetish, or necrophilia, coprophilia, and all the other weird ones?
What is the definitive guide about them?

It wasn't that long ago that homosexuality was considered a disorder and was illegal (it still is in some regions). All those others can be performed by consenting adults, and people who have those fetishes aren't necessarily looking to be "cured" of them. This might explain why the biological details aren't as well known.
Pedophiles, on the other hand, absolutely cannot act on their desires, so seeking treatment is probably the lesser evil.
#38
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It wasn't that long ago that homosexuality was considered a disorder and was illegal (it still is in some regions). All those others can be performed by consenting adults, and people who have those fetishes aren't necessarily looking to be "cured" of them. This might explain why the biological details aren't as well known.
Pedophiles, on the other hand, absolutely cannot act on their desires, so seeking treatment is probably the lesser evil.


So the way you think about that sexuality changes depending on how people can act on their desires? Isn't that somewhat inauthentic?

You can't really honestly believe that homosexuality and weird fetishes are "normal" or part of the identity of someone, while believing that pedophilia is a mental disease, only because people with the former can act on it while people on the latter can't (assuming they are all the "same" biologically, which I don't really know).
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