#1
My birthday is coming up and I'm looking to get myself a little something. My current guitar amp is a steaming pile of trash and I figured it's time to move on to something else.

I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for, however. I play mostly Intronaut, Mastodon, Tool, and Baroness. The biggest conflict I have is that while Baroness and Mastodon are 'sludge metal', Intronaut has some pretty clear tones. I don't want a sludgey amp that is going to ruin any chance of getting nice jazzy clean tones.
example:

As a result, I find myself stumbling around unsure what to look for. I took interest in the clean tones of the CornfordRoadhouse 50 but was a bit worried for the heavy end. I took some interest in the DSL40c but was worried if the clean tones were unfit. Additionally, I have seen some fairly positive comments about the Blackstar HT40 but I'm not sure what to think myself because I don't have very much experience in amps/gear.

What do you guys think I should get? I'm looking for amps in the $700-1200 range. I would prefer to keep it around $800-1000 though.
I highly appreciate any help or suggestions.

My 'main' guitar is a Schecter Damien Elite 6 with SH-2 Jazz (neck) and SH-6 (bridge) pickups.

(Apologies if this is in the wrong section of the forum; I'm an idiot sometimes)
#2
Brianstanek25

Used Peavey JSX with a Mesa or Orange 212 closed back cab (probably used as well to stay in budget). Maybe an EQ pedal for the loop to cover those different genres.

But as a base amp, you can do a whole lot worse than a JSX. They have excellent cleans, great crunch, and can get all the way to death metal territory on their ultra channel. Sweet, singing leads too. Everything I just heard on that Intronaut song could be covered by a JSX brilliantly without any pedals (well, maybe reverb and delay -- but it would cover those tones easily).
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Last edited by KailM at Jul 5, 2016,
#3
+1 on the JSX. first thought after reading the second paragraph. they are probably one of the most versatile budget friendly amps on the market.

for what you are going for i would scratch the DSL, also i don't like blackstar, ethics nor tone.

the other thing that would be a good option would be a mesa mkiv still in budget.
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#5
They are all Satriani amps, the JSX was his signature amp with Peavey.

Another +1 on the JSX and Mark IV. If you don't need the extra power you could also go for one of the newer Mark V 25/35.

Egnater Vengeance/Armagaddon would be good.

Maybe a Carvin V3.
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#6
Brianstanek25
Quote by Brianstanek25
KailM
I was looking into the Peavey JSX. This definitely suits my tastes; thanks for the reply! However, I've noticed that most sales of this amp also say Satriani. Is there a difference or are they all Peavey JSX Satriani?
example: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Peavey/JSX-Joe-Satriani-Signature-120W-Tube-Guitar-Amp-Head-112150894.gc


dementiacaptain covered your question. Also, the Peavey XXX 2 is the same thing as a JSX, only it looks different and replaced the JSX after Satriani switched to another band. But it is the same amp, so whatever gives you the best deal, you can't go wrong (I like the looks of the JSX better though).
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#7
My balls to the walls heavy all the way to pristine cleans in a single amp let me to the Mesa Dual Rec Roadster. I found a great deal and picked up a mint 212 combo with extra tubes for $1100.
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Amps:
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Laney IronHeart IRT-Studio
Peavey Vypyr 30
Peavey ReValver Amp Sims
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#8
Fantastic replies everyone. I think I'm going with the Peavey JSX and Orange 2x12 OB option. I found both for decent prices.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Peavey/JSX-Joe-Satriani-Signature-120W-Tube-Guitar-Amp-Head-112150894.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Orange-Amplifiers/PPC212OB-Open-Back-120W-2x12-Guitar-Cabinet-111952201.gc

I have only bought combo amps so what I know about connecting the amp and cabinet goes as far as knowing generally where to plug the cables in. Do I need to master an ancient wizardry else the amp will explode and descend the state in a nuclear fallout? Something about ohms?

About ohms:
I did a little bit of research and I think I understand their use. I don't want to connect a head with more ohms into a cab with less. Having less on the head doesn't seem to be a problem.
The JSX head has an 'impedance selector' of 4, 8, and 16ohms. I don't see any information on the Orange, but if I zoom in on the picture of the back of the cab (not the link with the used one, an official sale on the site), it says "120W RMS" and "16 ohms." Above that are two inputs. I'm assuming 120w rms is for the left input and 16Ω is for the right input. Following this logic, I would plug the 16Ω (or the others but I'm not sure why I would) from the head into the right input on the cab. Is this correct or would I break something?

Again thanks for all the help. I have learned a lot probably.
#10
Make sure that you use a speaker cable, not an instrument cable.
Match the impedance and rock on.

You really should go for a closed backed cab.
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#11
Oh wow. I somehow thought KailM said open back. Oops.
Well, that takes a huge blow at my budget but okay.

I'm modestly sure I'm going to be buying the JSX and the Orange PPC212 2x12 CLOSED back then. If something comes up, I'll post but for the most part this thread is done.
#12
Quote by Brianstanek25
Oh wow. I somehow thought KailM said open back. Oops.
Well, that takes a huge blow at my budget but okay.

I'm modestly sure I'm going to be buying the JSX and the Orange PPC212 2x12 CLOSED back then. If something comes up, I'll post but for the most part this thread is done.


Yep, closed back cabs provide a more focused, tighter, and more punchy bass sound, as well as making the mids more punchy as well. Open back cabs have their applications, but they're more for rock, blues, jazz, etc.; where there isn't a lot of "tight" riffing and chords are allowed to ring out for longer.

Another source for cabs that could save you some dough is Avatar speakers. Here is a link to their Contemporary 212, which is virtually identical to an Orange PPC 212 cab: https://avatarspeakers.com/shop/guitar-cabinets/contemporary/special-g212-contemporary-special/

They are very well made, and for $399 loaded with Celestion V30s, it's a steal. They also offer a "speaker break-in" where they load your cab with V 30s that they break-in in their factory (play them loud for 20 hours or so). It's not crucial, but speakers tend to sound much better after they've been played for at least 25 hours (loudly) when they're brand new. My Eminence Governors took at least 50 hours before they started sounding their best. I almost returned them when I first got them, hehe. You couldn't pry them away from me now...
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Last edited by KailM at Jul 6, 2016,
#13
Not sure your exact location but here a few items you might be interested in
MESA dual rec and 2x12 cab $1050
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/msg/5667082344.html

MESA 2x12 vertical cab $300
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/msg/5651741342.html

Avatar 2x12 with Celestion G12T-75s $300
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/msg/5640284954.html

2x12 cab with Celestion G12T-75s $300
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/msg/5657730386.html
#14
Quote by Brianstanek25
Fantastic replies everyone. I think I'm going with the Peavey JSX and Orange 2x12 OB option. I found both for decent prices.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Peavey/JSX-Joe-Satriani-Signature-120W-Tube-Guitar-Amp-Head-112150894.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Orange-Amplifiers/PPC212OB-Open-Back-120W-2x12-Guitar-Cabinet-111952201.gc

I have only bought combo amps so what I know about connecting the amp and cabinet goes as far as knowing generally where to plug the cables in. Do I need to master an ancient wizardry else the amp will explode and descend the state in a nuclear fallout? Something about ohms?

About ohms:
I did a little bit of research and I think I understand their use. I don't want to connect a head with more ohms into a cab with less. Having less on the head doesn't seem to be a problem.
The JSX head has an 'impedance selector' of 4, 8, and 16ohms. I don't see any information on the Orange, but if I zoom in on the picture of the back of the cab (not the link with the used one, an official sale on the site), it says "120W RMS" and "16 ohms." Above that are two inputs. I'm assuming 120w rms is for the left input and 16Ω is for the right input. Following this logic, I would plug the 16Ω (or the others but I'm not sure why I would) from the head into the right input on the cab. Is this correct or would I break something?

Again thanks for all the help. I have learned a lot probably.


No you'd want to use the left input. The 120W is a general rating of the cab, as is the 16 Ohms. I am not POSITIVE on the purpose of the second input, I've never owned an Orange cab and depending on the cab they may do different things (allow for daisy chaining, allow for multiple heads in, etc.). It may be that you could use either, but just know that the cab itself is rated at 120Wrms, 16 Ohms, and consult a manual or perhaps contact Orange to confirm what each input is for.

The JSX head should be set at 16 Ohms, either way.
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