#1
Hi.

Another standard "which amp?" thread so I'll get straight into it...

Budget is ~£200. Certainly no more than £250.
Play all genres, but more metal than anything else. (Lamb of God, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Atreyu, Killswitch Engage).
Looking to record often and play with other guitarists occasionally, switching from clean to distortion live (needs to be done via pedal I assume).
Already own a few pedals and will continue to use/buy more.

So far come down to the Blackstar HT-1r https://www.blackstaramps.com/products/ht-1
Or the Orange Micro Terror https://orangeamps.com/products/guitar-amp-heads/tiny-terror-series/micro-terror/

Since I control my tone through pedals, is there any point going for the Blackstar? I just see myself leaving it on pretty much clean or low gain, using pedals for high gain. That's why I thought of the Orange, but I THINK the Blackstar is all tube...
Both amps have emulated/headphone output and AUX in, features I do want for late night playing and quick and easy recording.

Anyway, thanks for any help.
#2
If it were me, I'd go with the Orange. I've had a bad experience with Blackstar, plus the fact that their marketing is shady, I'd rather not support them. Additionally, I think the Micro Terror is a better sounding amp and more reliable.
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I've owned both these and would say the Blackstar takes pedals a little better. If I were you I would try to get an Egnater Tweaker 15 which I've seen go on ebay for ~£200. Has really great cleans and takes pedals much better than both the Micro Terror or the Blackstar. It's also super versatile since you can completely change the way the amp reacts via the switches.
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the blackstar's not all-tube

you're probably struggling to get something all-valve for £250 which can do metal, though.
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Thanks Dave.

Yea know it's a big ask and I thought the Blackstar was too good to be true, maybe what Nolasludge said about shady marketing is true. By no means just Blackstar though.
I'd give up having tubes for the right deal, I just thought a clean tube amp would handle pedals better than SS or modelling or whatever.
If I can't find that Tweaker then it looks like the Orange then. I'd quite like to finally have a head/cab as part of my setup anyway...
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yeah you def should avoid the micro terror for metal. youll get hard rock at best. i would def look for a used peavey vypyr tube 60. or randell diavlo 1.
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Thanks Dave.

Yea know it's a big ask and I thought the Blackstar was too good to be true, maybe what Nolasludge said about shady marketing is true. By no means just Blackstar though.
I'd give up having tubes for the right deal, I just thought a clean tube amp would handle pedals better than SS or modelling or whatever.


Yeah blackstar's not the first

and if you're ok with pedals you might be able to get a clean tube amp under your budget
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You could look for the black star metal one watter. Not the worst with a tube swap. Maybe a 112 cab later.
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yeah you def should avoid the micro terror for metal. youll get hard rock at best. i would def look for a used peavey vypyr tube 60. or randell diavlo 1.
That's not true. Put an OD in front of it and you will have plenty of gain for metal. I've seen a bunch of metal guitarists using a Micro Terror with really good results. TS said it was likely going to be a pedal platform anyways, and Orange amps are built much better than Blackstar. I just personally think he will get more bang for his buck with the Micro Terror. The Micro Terror may have a solid state power section, but for modern metal, power tube breakup isn't really that desirable, so it doesn't really make a huge difference.
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jet city 2112rc may squeeze in budget. better than the other two imo.
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That's not true. Put an OD in front of it and you will have plenty of gain for metal. I've seen a bunch of metal guitarists using a Micro Terror with really good results. TS said it was likely going to be a pedal platform anyways, and Orange amps are built much better than Blackstar. I just personally think he will get more bang for his buck with the Micro Terror. The Micro Terror may have a solid state power section, but for modern metal, power tube breakup isn't really that desirable, so it doesn't really make a huge difference.


metal is a subjective term i guess. metal to you may mean something different to me. just doesnt seem like it would be enough gain.
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metal is a subjective term i guess. metal to you may mean something different to me. just doesnt seem like it would be enough gain.
All you really need is gain saturation, which with an OD, you can get more than enough. After that it's all about what you do with your hands. A lot of people tend to use too much gain anyways. Case in point, look at Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, and Entombed. All three considered death metal, all three different tones. Especially when looking at Entombed. That is not your typical death metal tone, but yet they pull it off. Check out the video. If that's not enough gain to play extreme metal, I don't think the issue is with the amp. I will say that there are better options out there, but with the TS's budget and the two choices he gave, I personally feel like the Micro Terror is the safer bet, but the JCAs that were suggested would probably fit the TS better while still being close to budget.

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