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#1
Pretty sad story here. I read an article a couple weeks ago about the Kim Kardashian of Pakistan. If you look at her feed it's not even that provocative just glamour shots with some cleavage showing.

https://www.instagram.com/qandeelbalochquebee/

Well, she's been strangled to death by her brother to defend the family's honor.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/17/pakistan-s-kim-kardashian-drugged-and-strangled-in-honor-killing.html

Damn.
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#2
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Kim Kardashian of Pakistan


I hope that's her official title
#4
I saw a post someone had made about how we should blame her for being provocative or something, instead of blaming her brother for being a fucking lunatic and killing her
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#10
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In Islam, is it honourable to murder your sister if she acts racy?


No its a culture thing.
Many non islamic cultures are into it as well.
More of a sexism issue.
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#11
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No its a culture thing.
Many non islamic cultures are into it as well.
More of a sexism issue.

But the root of that sexism can be found in the rigorous gender apartheid that islam promotes
#13
Go religion go.
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But the root of that sexism can be found in the rigorous gender apartheid that islam promotes

The answer to the question is still no.

Even the most hardcore Islamic scholars consider them to be un-islamic. There's nothing in the Quran that supports honor killings.

So again, I point to it being a culture issue.
(An issue that all cultures have had issues with at some point in their history, regardless of religion)
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#15
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Savages that have no place in western society.


Uh, it's Pakistan.
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The answer to the question is still no.

Even the most hardcore Islamic scholars consider them to be un-islamic. There's nothing in the Quran that supports honor killings.

So again, I point to it being a culture issue.
(An issue that all cultures have had issues with at some point in their history, regardless of religion)

Have there been many atheist/agnostic cultures in history?
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#18
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i thought this was gonna be about something cool like samurai or something not lame losers who choke their sister to death.

i mean i was just visualizing choking my brother, but not to protect my family's "honor"

not sure we ever had any to begin with.
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#19
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No its a culture thing.
Many non islamic cultures are into it as well.
More of a sexism issue.


Islam is surely no saint in this manner, but since it also happens in India and stuff like that it does seem more cultural than anything.

Amazing how we start hearing about these issues in the media right now, when they've been happening for decades and nobody batted an eye to them. Decades of ignorance and dismissiveness means that these type of stories will certainly shock the moment they surface.

It's hard to have empathy to this kind of stuff, even if it's just a "different" culture.
#20
Police killing minorities has been happening for a long time now too but it's kicking off and getting lots of attention now because we live in the age of information
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Police killing minorities has been happening for a long time now too but it's kicking off and getting lots of attention now because we live in the age of information




The Civil Rights movement in the 50s and 60s was successful partly because news television cameras sent images of black people getting dogs sicced on them and waterhosed all around the country, which galvanized a lot of fence-sitters and apathetic people. We're just living in an era where there are a lot more cameras of better quality and we have modes of communication where you can spread info further, faster. The violence isn't a new trend, but the technology and the social apparatuses are.
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Amazing how we start hearing about these issues in the media right now, when they've been happening for decades and nobody batted an eye to them.


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#23
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Did you just make this up?

its one of those statements which are impossible to prove or disprove

lol
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its one of those statements which are impossible to prove or disprove

lol


Media attention aside, honor killings have been happening for ages now. I'm surprised this one ended in strangulation though, I thought it was common practice to resort to stoning or burning the victim with acid as punishment.
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Media attention aside, honor killings have been happening for ages now. I'm surprised this one ended in strangulation though, I thought it was common practice to resort to stoning or burning the victim with acid as punishment.
he just wanted to be more humane about it.

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Did you just make this up?


What, you think honor killings are just a 2016 thing?
From what I gather they've been happening at the very least since the 90's (in Asia and Middle East), and I'd presume earlier than that too. But there wasn't much media attention to it in the west (e.g there were no "kim kardashians" you could follow on instagram back in the day).
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#29
Something similar happened to one of my aunts when she was a teenager (thankfully she was ok). Neither she nor any of the other people involved were Muslim, but the cultures of India and Pakistan are similar wrt this sort of thing.


I'm not sure that acid attacks would be considered "common practice" for these cases. Many acid attack victims are female and are chosen as targets for misogynistic reasons. Not all are attacked as part of an honor killing though.

Also there are other common motivations for an acid attack such as property and gang disputes and the victims of these attacks are primarily male.
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#30
I am trying to understand what "defend their family's honour" actually means.

Because the only card I'm drawing says that instead of being known as the family who's daughter takes photos of herself on Instagram, they will instead be known as the family who's son murdered his sister for taking photos of herself on Instagram.
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like this isnt the kind of shit you people would say about actual kim k

yeah ok but i mean i doubt people would be saying that shit if she was murdered by her brother
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I am trying to understand what "defend their family's honour" actually means.

Because the only card I'm drawing says that instead of being known as the family who's daughter takes photos of herself on Instagram, they will instead be known as the family who's son murdered his sister for taking photos of herself on Instagram.

probably something along the lines of "protecting" their family's image from embarrassment.

except a more reasonable (but probably still douchey) person would have some kind of intervention or some shit.
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#33
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yeah ok but i mean i doubt people would be saying that shit if she was murdered by her brother

On the other hand, if she murdered her brother.......
#34
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yeah ok but i mean i doubt people would be saying that shit if she was murdered by her brother
i'm 100% certain there'd be easily enough people saying stuff like that to make a compilation like the one linked with very little effort
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#35
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I am trying to understand what "defend their family's honour" actually means.

Because the only card I'm drawing says that instead of being known as the family who's daughter takes photos of herself on Instagram, they will instead be known as the family who's son murdered his sister for taking photos of herself on Instagram.


It's like back in the day- in usa- when dudes would kill gay guys that told them they had a crush on them.
"I ain't no fag" was more important than anything.
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#36
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On the other hand, if she murdered her brother.......

well she just got a hundred times more attractive

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i'm 100% certain there'd be easily enough people saying stuff like that to make a compilation like the one linked with very little effort

ok i concede
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#37
According to the Pew Research Center study, there are around 400 million people worldwide that believe this type of barbaric honor killing is justified. It's like turning back the clock 1000 years. This is not compatible with modern western society hence the recent clash of cultures. I expect this will get much worse before it gets better.
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It's hard to have empathy to this kind of stuff, even if it's just a "different" culture.


It's not hard, it's impossible. And they don't deserve empathy. I don't give a fuck that it's a "different culture". It's a bullshit culture. It doesn't deserve protection or respect. I don't give a fuck if that makes me a racist or something. I'm proudly racist against these fucking subhuman savages. Anyone who has ever committed an "honor killing", or even considered for half a second defending such a practice is a sack of inhuman shit that doesn't deserve to breathe, and they need to be exterminated.
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According to the Pew Research Center study, there are around 400 million people worldwide that believe this type of barbaric honor killing is justified. It's like turning back the clock 1000 years. This is not compatible with modern western society hence the recent clash of cultures. I expect this will get much worse before it gets better.


And if there was a magic button that would set every one of those 400 million people on fire and kill them slowly and painfully, I would not hesitate for a second to push that button. In fact, I'd mash the hell out of that button like fifty times, just make sure it worked. Those people are not human beings. They are a lower form of evolution, who's brains are not on a level that can be considered human. Their very existence is a clear and present danger to all mankind.
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It's not hard, it's impossible. And they don't deserve empathy. I don't give a fuck that it's a "different culture". It's a bullshit culture. It doesn't deserve protection or respect. I don't give a fuck if that makes me a racist or something. I'm proudly racist against these fucking subhuman savages. Anyone who has ever committed an "honor killing", or even considered for half a second defending such a practice is a sack of inhuman shit that doesn't deserve to breathe, and they need to be exterminated.


What a brave stance you have there.
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