#1
Hey guys,

Me my band are considering buying some new gear, including amps. I'm the lead guitarist and I have a little Blackstar HT-1R I can use as a head and therefore I only need a cab. I would love to get a 2x12 Blackstar HTV-212, but would a 1x12 or even a 1x10 be enough to hear the others play (drummer, bassist, singer/2nd guitarist)?

Cheers,
Dave
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1w isn't going to get you very far.
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trashedlostfdup I can use it as a head and run it through a cab... watch some videos online if you don't believe me
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Sitting next to a drummer? You'll have to mike it up you know?
Personally I'd go for something very efficient speakers like eminence Wizards or Redcoats or something. With such a small powered amp, sensitivity matters more than normal.
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trashedlostfdup I can use it as a head and run it through a cab... watch some videos online if you don't believe me


Haha. 1 watt is 1 watt. Through a v30 (which is a relatively loud speaker) you wouldn't be much (if any) louder than 100db at 1m.

That will not go over a drummer.

If you think that works, do it. I can tell you it won't.
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#6
I have to agree with trashedlostfdup. Sure you might be able to use the combo amp as a head through a cab... But you wouldn't want to. One reason is as already, the ability to project with that sound just won't be there. That HT-1R just doesn't have the pushing power to drive a speaker hard enough to get it to a decent volume for a band (drums are very, very loud).

The second reason is... it's not a very good head for a cab - if you look at it as a head. I get that it's got a valve in it, but when you start getting into tube territory that's where money really starts to count. I don't want to crush the dream, but you'd be much better just buying either a bigger better combo amp with tubes in, or buying a real head and cabinet. That way you get something that actually sounds good and is able to be loud enough for a band situation.

I wouldn't waste the money on the cabinet without having a good head.

Always try and get a 12" speaker in the future though, that's regarded as generally the best the size for moving air and getting tone. Personally I think 2x12's are where it's at in regards to tone and mobility. 4x12's are overkill and I think 1x12s don't quite have the same look and impact a 2x12 does.
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mmmh okay. I was just trying to save as much money as possible. I'll try to look for a 2x12 combo because for our budget it makes no sense to buy both a head and a cab.
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even better. It's at Thomann so it's available to you.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/jet_city_amplification_jca5012_combo.htm?ref=search_rslt_jet+city_270766_9
same price as the 22 but a better gigging size
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And the JCA50 is only 90 euro more and twice the amplifier.
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We didn't want to go above 300 and honestly modeling is better for us because we are still developing the tones
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We didn't want to go above 300 and honestly modeling is better for us because we are still developing the tones




Haha, jokes aside, you really don't want a modeling amp. They never sound great and you'll spend far more time dicking around with it trying to get something to sound good, when you could have just bought a real tube amp to begin with and play with the EQ there. Then you can add pedals to the mix and get a whole bank of tones.

Modeling amps just aren't right when it's a 2x12, modeling amps are best suited for home practice and in the sub $200-150 range to get new players exposed to lots of different possible tone possibilities. They're not for performing seriously with (people can feel free to disagree, but if it's not Bias/axe fx/kemper, modeling really isn't the way to go).

The Jet City recommended is quite literally, twice the amp as he says. You'll be far better off with that than the Blackstar.
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Ok listen everyone my budget is very very limited. I would love to try that Jet City but I simpy can't afford it!

If I had the money I would be the first one to get my hands on a delicious tube amp! I'm not here to have arguments. I don't see why that Blackstar is atrocious under your eyes. We are simply friends who enjoy playing together, nothing more. We have never gigged or nothing bigger playing a few songs in front of our girlfriends. So please understand me. Thanks.
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Bottom line dude, you can get what you want - no questions, and no one will bug you.

But if you ask these guys and gals at UG -- you're not going to get bad advice - there's years upon years upon years of experience here. They are considering well more than your current needs. Buy what you want, but that JCA50 might just have the best bang for your buck.

If what you're looking for is solidarity and/or justification, you probably wont find it here. I know that, because I used to be that guy.

Good luck amp hunting. I hope what you choose works out!
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If you're budget is limited, I'd really suggest getting something second hand then That's a great way to get big bang for the buck at a relatively low cost. What band are you in? What type of music do you play?
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Thanks Anthony for the suggestion

I honestly thought about that but I don't know.. for music related stuff I'm a bit skeptic about second hand products.

Anyway! The answer to your question is not that easy for different reasons I'm gonna explain in just a second. First of all, our band is called Voices Beyond Silence. We play punk-acoustic-rock songs but you're not gonna find anything on the internet :P

For the band I need a very versitile amp because sometimes I play dirty rhythm parts and sometimes sparkly clean ones to match with the acoustic guitar of the singer. BUT at home I play totally different stuff. I'm all about metal and hard rock. Usually I use bias and amplitube at home but If I got a new amp I'd like to get one that also suits that part of my playing.
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I used to be skeptical about second hand purchases too, but so far everything has gone really well for me. I've bought a $600 guitar, a $800 guitar head, a $700 cab, and then another $700 cab. Everything so far has worked perfectly and only has a few minor physical imperfections here and there. But when it comes to heads/cabs and physical damage... well that's just what happens to them, Kind of built for it!

To be honest just about any amp can do nice cleans, it's just how nice that is the difference. The problem with modelling amps is that actually do quite poorly in regards to giving a good clean and driven tone, they always sound like they're coming from a low quality car stereo.

The Jet City amp mentioned above will do everything you want. It has Fender-type cleans and good Peavey-type drive/distortion. But there's also something else you can do with an amp like this. You can be on the clean channel but have the gain/drive quite high; this allows you to play softly for nice sparkling clean parts, but dig in for crunchier tones. Tube amps give you the ability to be a dynamic player, and that's what makes them so good. I never actually use the clean channel on my amp anymore, I just always run on the crunch channel but play dynamically. It's more challenging and sounds so much better.

And because it has a Peavey-esque dirt channel you will get that metal and hard rock vibe, since it's quite a kind of vintage type of drive/distortion. Jet City is also a good brand to be with, I honestly think that without going second hand this is best you'll get.
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