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#1
Hey Guys,
I've finally been able to come up with some cash to buy a semi-hollow body. I have about $2500 to spend. I was thinking about the ES-335? I notice they range from $2000 all the way up to over $6000. Can someone explain to me the real differences that matter. I'm just a mediocre guitar player and am no expert by any means so any advice will be appreciated. I'm open to another model also.

I'm using it for country, blues with a little jazz thrown in. I already own a decent solid body (Strat and LP) as well as an acoustic. I want something with a little more resonance and tone like an acoustic but with the ability to turn up and drive without too much feedback.
Thanks guys
Last edited by homeby51 at Aug 20, 2016,
#2
What you really need is a new amp.




If you're just mediocre you probably shouldn't be spending so much on a guitar.
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#3
What you really need is a new amp.

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#4
Don't listen to these jokers. What you really need is a new amp.
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#5
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#7
Yep, new amp first. Then if you really must have a semi-hollow look at the Epi Sheraton and Casino. Build quality is really quite good and I would be hard-pressed to shell out another $1500 for a Gibson ES335 unless Sony was footing the bill for my upcoming world tour.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
#8
i paid ~$600 for my guitar and i still regret it.

what i really need is to sell it at the original price, buy a cheapo $100 guitar, then invest in whiskey and fast food.
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#9
My main guitar cost me about $400AUD, it needs some new pickups, but I love the body shape
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#10
i need some kind of new bridge or a repair or something.

idk shit about guitars, really.

all i know is when i bought the thing it had a floating bridge and when you attempted to tune it, the strings would pull the whole bridge out of the body so a guy at a guitar shop told me to jam a block of wood in there.

also need to find the one volume/tone knob and glue it back on.
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#11
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i need some kind of new bridge or a repair or something.

idk shit about guitars, really.

all i know is when i bought the thing it had a floating bridge and when you attempted to tune it, the strings would pull the whole bridge out of the body so a guy at a guitar shop told me to jam a block of wood in there.

also need to find the one volume/tone knob and glue it back on.


That poor guitar.
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#12
Quote by jakesmellspoo
i need some kind of new bridge or a repair or something.

idk shit about guitars, really.

all i know is when i bought the thing it had a floating bridge and when you attempted to tune it, the strings would pull the whole bridge out of the body so a guy at a guitar shop told me to jam a block of wood in there.

also need to find the one volume/tone knob and glue it back on.

Yeah, I know dick about guitars tbh, I've only recently actually started investing in quality gear. After 10 years of playing, I figure I should make my rig a bit better. I'm really loathe to get rid of this guitar because the body size and contouring is just the perfect size for me, but the pickups are some crap humbuckers, and I wanna try and replace them with some single coils...maybe.
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#13
I paid $450 for my USA Strat, $600 for my USA Tele, $400 for my ES335 knockoff, $200 for my 67 Gibson SG Special. No reason to spend $2k on one guitar unless you really want to and have cash to burn.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
#14
honestly, the thing i dislike most about my guitar is the paint job.

it looked like a solid gloss red in the photos online, and when i opened the package it was sparkly.
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#15
My guitar has this sort of deep green ripple effect. If I was skilled in that area I wouldn't mind doing some custom paint work on it. I replaced the tone and volume knobs with ones from my old guitar, and they suit it far better. I'm tossing up now as to whether I should keep the trem or if I should block it to improve the tuning stability.
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My main guitar cost me about $400AUD, it needs some new pickups, but I love the body shape
The guitar I'm playing now cost me $70 USD and it plays and sounds great. The magic in learning how to solder.

I'd never spend $2500 on a guitar.
#17
God no, all of my equipment combined isn't worth anywhere near that.

Unless you're a full on professional musician that's raking in the moolah, there is no reason to spend that much on a guitar.
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#18
This thread is now the "How much did you pay for your current guitar" thread.

I paid about $500 for my PRS SE Custom 24. It was a floor model and was pretty much still brand new so I saved about $200 with it.

Although the last guitar I bought was a B.C. Rich Mockingbird Contour and I bought it from my dad's friend for $250. Was still so brand new that he hadn't even removed any of the plastic film strips from the pickups or headstock or back.

Research said it costs between $300-400 so I got a pretty good deal.
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#19
I bought my acoustic during the Global Financial Crisis so the Aussie dollar was stronger than the US dollar at the time, so I saved a buttload even with shipping costs.

Now that Brexit has happened, I think getting stuff from the UK could be a fair bit cheaper as well.
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#20
Quote by Cajundaddy
Yep, new amp first. Then if you really must have a semi-hollow look at the Epi Sheraton and Casino. Build quality is really quite good and I would be hard-pressed to shell out another $1500 for a Gibson ES335 unless Sony was footing the bill for my upcoming world tour.


Came here to praise the Epiphone Casino also. Its a great guitar with awesome tone and a bigsby trem. 3 out of 4 Beatles highly recommend
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#21
I've played a £3000 Gibson Lp, I didn't see the point in spending that much on a guitar, but after playing the Lp I can see why. if I had the money I'd happily spend it on a proper decent guitar, don't listen to these plebs
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#22
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I've played a £10 Hello Kitty Strat copy, I didn't see the point in spending that much on a guitar, but after playing the Hello Kitty strat I can see why. if I had the money I'd happily spend it on a pink Hello Kitty strat with streamers on the headstock, don't listen to these plebs

Good thing I caught your original post before the sneaky edits
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#23
The new amp thing is a joke

But it's actually far more useful than buying a $3000 ES, the Epiphone Casino or Sheraton II would be just as good, as would an Ibanez AS series.

If you are determined to spend an exorbitant amount on a hollowbody I suggest looking at a Yamaha SA2200, because I trust Yamaha quality control about 1000 times more than any big American company's QC.
#24
I'll sell you a hollow body for $2,500. Just send me your credit card information and I'll hook you up.
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#25
Quote by Pastafarian96
The new amp thing is a joke

But it's actually far more useful than buying a $3000 ES, the Epiphone Casino or Sheraton II would be just as good, as would an Ibanez AS series.

If you are determined to spend an exorbitant amount on a hollowbody I suggest looking at a Yamaha SA2200, because I trust Yamaha quality control about 1000 times more than any big American company's QC.

Pretty much this. Yamaha make some pretty basic stuff, but the quality control basically makes their stuff indestructible
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#26
Wow....my bad for actually thinking this was a guitar forum. What, is everybody here 15? Look...I'm an older rocker who has been a bar hack drummer for years. I also have been a bar hack guitar player for years. Anyway, I am selling my vintage Vista's for about $2500 and I want a semi. I'm of the opinion to always buy quality gear so if you sell it later you usually get what you pay for. I have three guitars that I can sell for more than I purchased new and I have made thousands on drums (buying used...restoring and selling). But what do I know....I'm in my 50's and don't live in my Mom's basement or in a band members spare bedroom.
Anyway, the topic was supposed to be about the differences between ES-335's and the price. I know it's a forum and expect a few knobs but after 24 replies..no one has even touched on the original question? Again.....Wow.
#27
Quote by homeby51
Wow....my bad for actually thinking this was a guitar forum. What, is everybody here 15? Look...I'm an older rocker who has been a bar hack drummer for years. I also have been a bar hack guitar player for years. Anyway, I am selling my vintage Vista's for about $2500 and I want a semi. I'm of the opinion to always buy quality gear so if you sell it later you usually get what you pay for. I have three guitars that I can sell for more than I purchased new and I have made thousands on drums (buying used...restoring and selling). But what do I know....I'm in my 50's and don't live in my Mom's basement or in a band members spare bedroom.
Anyway, the topic was supposed to be about the differences between ES-335's and the price. I know it's a forum and expect a few knobs but after 24 replies..no one has even touched on the original question? Again.....Wow.
I'm sorry you can't take the advice of "don't do it, it's too much, there's better alternatives" without being offended like the easily offended 50 year old you are.
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#28
Remember the guy that filled his acoustic bass with sand to make it sound like a solid body? I'm sure the same principle must apply to a hollow body electric.

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Wow....my bad for actually thinking this was a guitar forum.


What I don't understand is how all online fora are divided into subfora, yeah? Each subforum is for specific topics and they are clearly labeled. So why did you post in the subforum that specifically says that it is for general discussion and topics that don't fit in any of the other subfora and ask about a topic that clearly fits into another subforum? This is clearly your fault.
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#29
Yeah, have to say I was sort of scratching my head at all the replies.

I have never owned a 335 but I've salivated over several belonging to others over the years. I'm in Aus and they all cost a fortune here so I've never been able to justify the cash as I already have some nice guitars. Nevertheless, they do seem to vary quite a bit in quality (both structurally and sonically) and this doesn't seem to necessarily correlate to price. I suppose all I could suggest is to go and actually play a few and see how you feel about them individually.

As for other models, Yamaha make some lovely semi's and they have great QC. I have a friend who owns an 80's Ibanez 335 copy which he uses for jazz and it has fantastic tone. Having trouble trying to remember the model though.

Good luck in your search.
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Quote by homeby51
Wow....my bad for actually thinking this was a guitar forum.


You posted in The Pit, the off-topic bullshitting part of the forum where you're likely to get a lot of bad jokes and maybe a small amount of actual advice.
Try here: Electric Guitar
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#31
Quote by homeby51
Hey Guys,
Can someone explain to me the real differences that matter. I'm just a mediocre guitar player and am no expert by any means so any advice will be appreciated. I'm open to another model also.


To answer the OP question directly: In blind taste tests a self professed "mediocre" guitarist will probably not be able to tell the difference in any meaningful way at all. Buy the Sheraton or Casino and spend your extra dough on a real amp that will make it sing.

Oh, and welcome to the pit
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
#33
Quote by Dissenter70
Yeah, have to say I was sort of scratching my head at all the replies.

I have never owned a 335 but I've salivated over several belonging to others over the years. I'm in Aus and they all cost a fortune here so I've never been able to justify the cash as I already have some nice guitars. Nevertheless, they do seem to vary quite a bit in quality (both structurally and sonically) and this doesn't seem to necessarily correlate to price. I suppose all I could suggest is to go and actually play a few and see how you feel about them individually.

As for other models, Yamaha make some lovely semi's and they have great QC. I have a friend who owns an 80's Ibanez 335 copy which he uses for jazz and it has fantastic tone. Having trouble trying to remember the model though.

Good luck in your search.


Thanks. Do you know the differences in the models of 335's that would make them so far apart in money? I see the differences on the webpage but it seems to not correlate to the large jump in dough...
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Quote by Cajundaddy
To answer the OP question directly: In blind taste tests a self professed "mediocre" guitarist will probably not be able to tell the difference in any meaningful way at all. Buy the Sheraton or Casino and spend your extra dough on a real amp that will make it sing.

Oh, and welcome to the pit

Please explain a real amp? How do you know what hardware I have? Oh and BTW..."mediocre" is my self description because I don't live in a dream world. I gig every week and played pit orchestras. I imagine 99.9% of those here would be considered "mediocre" also.
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Quote by homeby51
Anyway, I am selling my vintage Vista's for about $2500 and I want a semi.

You;ll be having a hard time getting one of those at 50.

Seriously though you're not posting in the right subforum for this question.

Personally I find it silly paying $2500 for a run of the mill Gibson when for that money you can get a custom guitar from Carvin or something.
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Quote by homeby51
Please explain a real amp? How do you know what hardware I have? Oh and BTW..."mediocre" is my self description because I don't live in a dream world. I gig every week and played pit orchestras. I imagine 99.9% of those here would be considered "mediocre" also.


Played in orchestras? So you can read music, but can't read forum descriptions.

Bummer.
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#37
FWIW, I almost bought a Gibson ES-335 Satin. It's plenty expensive enough, but I'd be willing to pay for it (obviously).
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#38
Quote by homeby51
Please explain a real amp? How do you know what hardware I have? Oh and BTW..."mediocre" is my self description because I don't live in a dream world. I gig every week and played pit orchestras. I imagine 99.9% of those here would be considered "mediocre" also.


We have never heard you play so we can only go by your written description. "Mediocre" it is. So tell us about your amp...

FWIW I bought an ES 335 JP knockoff many years ago after playing it side by side with several Gibson USA 335s. I was specifically shopping to own a Gibson but the knockoff was better in all respects at the time and it was 1/2 price. Price has little relationship to quality among many of the guitars of this design. Trust your own eyes, ears, and hands. If you cannot perceive a difference, there is no reason to justify the silly high prices.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
Last edited by Cajundaddy at Aug 21, 2016,
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Quote by Cajundaddy
I paid $450 for my USA Strat, $600 for my USA Tele, $400 for my ES335 knockoff, $200 for my 67 Gibson SG Special. No reason to spend $2k on one guitar unless you really want to and have cash to burn.


How did you manage all that?

I just googled 67 SG special and they're all a grand and up.

I'm actually much more interested in the american standard strat tho
#40
Quote by Cajundaddy
We have never heard you play so we can only go by your written description. "Mediocre" it is. So tell us about your amp...

FWIW I bought an ES 335 JP knockoff many years ago after playing it side by side with several Gibson USA 335s. I was specifically shopping to own a Gibson but the knockoff was better in all respects at the time and it was 1/2 price. Price has little relationship to quality among many of the guitars of this design. Trust your own eyes, ears, and hands. If you cannot perceive a difference, there is no reason to justify the silly high prices.


Wow....a reply that is helpful. Thank you. BTW..what is this "pit"? When I posted it just said "General" which I assume covered all but acoustics and solid body electric. My bad if it's in the wrong area but didn't realize so many people were anal about it.

Anyway, back on topic, so you are happy with the JP? Thanks for the recommendation. I will look at 'em. How is the resale? I ask only because again, I usually like an instrument that holds it's value. I am experienced enough to realize that you don't pay for quality but name and reputation. Having said that the name and reputation is what holds the value.

As far as amps..I'm covered. I have a Marshall Tube and a Twin. All my needs for all my gigs.
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