#1
So basically I'm a metalhead that's a total newbie and has never played before, so any advice on where to start would be greatly appreciated!

Budget - £200 max

Favourite Artists - I listen to and will be wanting to learn to play Metal, but I don't really have any guitarists in mind

Preferences - No clue on this, sorry!

New or Used - Not sure how feasible getting a Used one is as I don't know what I'm looking for? Would prefer New but may be open to Used

Location - Bristol, UK

Cheers!
#2
That is a pretty limited budget, I would suggest used if you can as you can probably score a better guitar out of the deal. At minimum you want a guitar that has a humbucker in the bridge, solid body electric guitar. I would suggest entry level Jacksons, Ltds, or Ibanez's. Since you are new you may want to stay away from Floyd Rose/double locking trem systems as they are more difficult to tune, restring and setup for a beginner, a good hardtail bridge or a strat type trem would be best.

here are some I found in the used market and new in Bristol

(probalby #1 recommendation given your budget and what is available - hardtail and with an upgraded humbucker in the bridge)
https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/ibanez-rga42-guitar-for-sale/1184218865

(good guitar but does have a floyd trem)
https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/esp-ltd-mh-250-thru-neck-quilt-top/1181888972

http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/ibanez-grg121dx-guitar-in-starlight-blue-sunburst
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/jackson-js22-dinky-arch-top-snow-white
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/jackson-js22-dinky-arch-top-in-satin-black

best of luck
#3
You've got a pretty limited budget there, I'm also going to recommend used in this case. I would look no further than a used Ibanez RG series guitar. Ibanez seriously delivers a ton of bang for your buck, in my opinion, more so than any other brand. You might be able to find a pretty good condition older mid-level RG series with cosmetic damage within your budget, that's where I would start. I would also recommend one with a Hum/Hum pick-up configuration (no single coil pup in the middle).

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#4
I second Jackson, LTD, or Ibanez of your choice in shape.

Play the guitar before you buy if possible and have it setup by a pro - then learn to maintain the setup.
Guitars:
Jackson Kelly KE3 - MIJ (Distortion/Jazz)
Jackson DKMGT Dinky (EMG 81/85)
ESP E-II Eclipse Custom (JB/'59)
ESP LTD EC-1001FR (EMG 81/60)
Fender MIM Strat

Amps:
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Peavey ReValver Amp Sims
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#5
The brands suggested are good as well as trying them out. Do it a few times to get a better feel for what you like.

I would also add in Schecter and the idea to check out used guitars to get an even better bang.
As stated before, avoid a Floyd system at least for now.
Guitar/Bass:
Schecter: Damien 6/Stilletto Extreme 5, Squier: Bullet HSS*, Washburn RX10*/WG-587, Agile Septor 727
*mods

Amps/FX
Peavey: Vypyr 30/Max 112 (200W), ISP: Decimator

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#6
Thanks for the suggestions guys.

It seems like used is the way to go, but I have to admit I'm a bit nervous about buying used as I'm not really able to assess the condition/whether it's a good deal. Are there any particular websites which are good for buying used from rather direct from sellers on say Craigslist/Gumtree?

If I go for a new guitar that's around £200 what would be the issues that come with that? Is it just a case of it not lasting for long due to poor build quality (I'm OK with upgrading once I've got the hang of things and have more of an idea what I want), or would it actually be harder to learn/play?

I'm planning to try some out at the local store as suggested either way.
#7
I'm not familiar with whats in your area, but stores like Guitar Center have a used section. Others may have demo equipment at a reduced price.

A new guitar may not be completely tuned or set up. You can have it done for a fee, which you might consider, but in the long run learning how to do it yourself is just plain handy to do. Screwdrivers and Allen Wrenches are mostly what you need and may already have on hand.
Guitar/Bass:
Schecter: Damien 6/Stilletto Extreme 5, Squier: Bullet HSS*, Washburn RX10*/WG-587, Agile Septor 727
*mods

Amps/FX
Peavey: Vypyr 30/Max 112 (200W), ISP: Decimator

Quote by dannyalcatraz
Understood- I waste money on amps*, too.

justinguitar.com is the answer
#8
How about a brand new epihone sg and a vip1. That should run about 300usd. Might be more in pounds than you want to spend though. Thats the cheapest new metal setup i can think of. If you get a deal used at a trade/pawn shop you can check out yhe sound first. Peavey has a really good metal sound, crate can be got cheap here used and they have a very synthetic but heavy sound usually
#9
LOrd, I read the title as "First guitar for a meathead."

I SO apologize for that. Even if I didn't say it out loud. Well, now I guess I have, and I apologize from the heart of my bottom for doing that as well.

Okay, so maybe some metallic guitar player in Bristol could be coerced into checking out various and sundry guitars (allocate some of your budget for a burger and fries) with you. I'd honestly put the whole "metal" look/sound thing on hold until you can work your way around ANY guitar and until you've got a budget. There's just something NOT sinister about a guy in his bedroom with his non-more-black fingernails and guyliner on, muttering cookie monster vocals while playing a really inexpensive black (because, of course...) guitar through an AM radio-size amp. It's a Monte Python sketch waiting for...uh...Monte Python.
#10
I've decided that I'm going to go with new instead of used, out of the brands suggest the store near only looks to have these Ibanez in my budget:

http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/ibanez-gio-grg121dx-in-walnut-flat
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/ibanez-grg170dx-black-night-electric-guitar

How do these compare to the Jackson JS22? As they don't have that in-store so I wouldn't be able to try, but I like the look of it and if it's better than I would be willing to order it in and get it set-up.

As for a practice amp to go with it, are any of these particularly better than the others? Again, I'm not expecting much on this budget, just want something to get started with.

http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/orange-crush-12-solid-state-12w-1x6-combo
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/blackstar-id-core-10-combo-amplifier
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/roland-cube-10gx-guitar-amplifier-combo
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/marshall-mg15cf-guitar-amplifier-combo
#11
I wouldn't get any of the gear that you've linked.

Can your budget stretch to get a Yamaha Pacifica 112 and a Peavey Vypyr?
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#12
Quote by LDM91
I've decided that I'm going to go with new instead of used, out of the brands suggest the store near only looks to have these Ibanez in my budget:

http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/ibanez-gio-grg121dx-in-walnut-flat
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/ibanez-grg170dx-black-night-electric-guitar

How do these compare to the Jackson JS22? As they don't have that in-store so I wouldn't be able to try, but I like the look of it and if it's better than I would be willing to order it in and get it set-up.

As for a practice amp to go with it, are any of these particularly better than the others? Again, I'm not expecting much on this budget, just want something to get started with.

http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/orange-crush-12-solid-state-12w-1x6-combo
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/blackstar-id-core-10-combo-amplifier
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/roland-cube-10gx-guitar-amplifier-combo
http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/marshall-mg15cf-guitar-amplifier-combo



For the guitar id go with the 170. Its what i had as a first guitar, and it was great. For the amps, i dunno, all of this look pretty bad to me. i know Cubes are loved far and wide, but the 10w model is really stripped down compared to the bigger ones.
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#13
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I wouldn't get any of the gear that you've linked.

Can your budget stretch to get a Yamaha Pacifica 112 and a Peavey Vypyr?


That looks about £380 in total so it's too much unfortunately .

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For the guitar id go with the 170. Its what i had as a first guitar, and it was great. For the amps, i dunno, all of this look pretty bad to me. i know Cubes are loved far and wide, but the 10w model is really stripped down compared to the bigger ones.


Ah...I figured as much but can't really afford more than a 100 for amp right now. I'm guessing there's no point getting a mini-amp right now to start learning, and then find a better used amp/save for a decent new one?
#14
The fact that you don't want to go used is really preventing you from getting a guitar that's worth your while. You could get a used Pacifica and Vypyr used with relative ease for £200.
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#15
I know when you get your first guitar there is a tendency to want to go new, but really there is no need, you get way more bang for your buck used. In terms of being wary of buying used if you are buying a brand name guitar the quality should be fine, if there are no visible blemishes, cracks, etc you are probably not going to have very many issues.

The amps you picked are crap - but thats because you have such a low budget, which is fine for a beginner, we all started somewhere, my first amp was a peavey rage - so don't sweat it. You want some kind of amp - even a crappy one - to start on electric or it will get really boring for you fast.

Here are a couple more used guitar and amp packages for you to consider (they are within your budget) the amps aren't great but they are just fine for a beginner.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/ibanez-sz520-electric-guitar-ibanez-seymour-duncan-/1180920550
https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/ibanez-gio-spider-iv-amp/1180265301

the SZ is the better guitar but if money is really tight and you were going to get the gio anyway you could pick up the used one and an amp for less then a new gio alone.

trust the guys on here who have years of experience playing and buying gear - GO USED.
#16
Between the guitars you've listed, the Ibanez 170 or the Jackson JS22 are the best options. For amps, of what you've chosen, either the Orange or the Blackstar would be best. Marshall, while offering some enviable high-end amps, have a poorly viewed opinion of more seasoned players on the MG line. Peavey is the top on the modeling amps with the Vypyr.

I know you want to buy new, but the only thing I've bought new has been my Squire Bullet. I have 3 other guitars I bought for much less used that are better guitars. I paid under $100 for my Schecter Damien and those go for at least $300 new. My Vypyr 30 cost me $80 and was probably $150 new. It's your money man, but I'm sitting on what was probably $1000 worth of gear and paid about a third because I got it new.
Guitar/Bass:
Schecter: Damien 6/Stilletto Extreme 5, Squier: Bullet HSS*, Washburn RX10*/WG-587, Agile Septor 727
*mods

Amps/FX
Peavey: Vypyr 30/Max 112 (200W), ISP: Decimator

Quote by dannyalcatraz
Understood- I waste money on amps*, too.

justinguitar.com is the answer
#17
Would be this be a slightly better option? The 170 was returned so a bit cheaper, so I could afford to grab a Peavey Vypyr Amp as well.

I'm going to be honest I don't really want to get used through Gumtree as I'd like some fallback if its a dud. I've looked through a few different websites of music shops but their pre-owned/used sections seem to be lacking/not that much reduced in price. Ebay would be an option but most seem to be collection only and I don't drive which makes it difficult :/.

http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Ibanez-GIO-GRG170DX-Electric-Guitar-CA-Red-Nearly-New/1AGZ#full-des

http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Peavey-Vypyr-VIP-1-Modelling-Combo-Amp/PR1

In regards to the effect pedal/amp simulators it looks interesting, but I think I would a prefer proper amp to a simulator tbh.
#18
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The pedal isnt just an amp simulator it can have 3 simultanious effects at once, one of which can be an amp simulator. There are various types of distortion available and reverb and delay which you may want for metal, hence why I mention it. If you only have 200 to spend, to get a half decent used guitar and an amp, its going to be a fairly cheap and basic used amp which will have a crappy distortion. If you are OK with that and intend replacing it at a later date, then go for it.


Oh ok, I understand now, that makes sense. Originally the budget was 200 for guitar and 100 for amp but I'm willing to go up to 150ish like that Peavy one I linked, if that's not gonna cut it though maybe pedal/amp simulator would be a better option until I can save for a good amp.
#19
Used Ibanez RGR321EX/RG321. Nice thin neck for metal and two humbucker pickups. Should do you well.
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#20
Used is the best. Get a bad ass amp that weighs a hundred pounds from some old metal head that can't lift it anymore. Because of emphysema and whiplash. Then you will know what you have.
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#21
Quote by LDM91
Would be this be a slightly better option? The 170 was returned so a bit cheaper, so I could afford to grab a Peavey Vypyr Amp as well.

I'm going to be honest I don't really want to get used through Gumtree as I'd like some fallback if its a dud. I've looked through a few different websites of music shops but their pre-owned/used sections seem to be lacking/not that much reduced in price. Ebay would be an option but most seem to be collection only and I don't drive which makes it difficult :/.

http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Ibanez-GIO-GRG170DX-Electric-Guitar-CA-Red-Nearly-New/1AGZ#full-des

http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Peavey-Vypyr-VIP-1-Modelling-Combo-Amp/PR1

In regards to the effect pedal/amp simulators it looks interesting, but I think I would a prefer proper amp to a simulator tbh.



The gear you listed will work fine for a beginning setup, you are going to want to upgrade eventually, but everybody does, nobody's first equipment was top of the line or where they stopped. Buy it, start playing and loving it, worry about upgrades later.
#22
Thanks for your help everyone, I've decided to wait a bit and look for a used set-up over the next week, and if I don't find something I like I'll just go for either the Ibanez 170 or Jackson JS22 and the Peavy Vvypr.
#23
Look for a ESP of some kind, I bought a used Viper 50 and played metal on it and it will be cheap you can get one for 100 or less, which leaves 100 for an ok amp