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#1
So I was listening to (Hey, Won't You Play) Another Somebody Done Somebody Wrong Song and it occurred to me that while the song itself is very good the actual arrangement in the original BJ Thomas recording is not a good arrangement. They don't use the pedal steel effectively, it is filled with cheesy 70s strings, there is this goofy brass solo where there should be a fiddle solo, etc.

What are some songs that you think are great songs with poor arrangements? Conversely, what are some bad songs that you think have particularly great arrangements that have been wasted on bad songs?

Also I'm trying to avoid covers here because there are many bands that intentionally create dramatically different arrangements in different styles (crooked covers or whatever people want to call them) and those very often just don't have good arrangements, especially covers of pop songs.
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#2
springsteen songs

theres just too much going on

i mean yeah born in the usa and glory days are alright

but not every song needs an entire brass section and 7 guitarists plus a pianist and the rhythm section and whatever the hell else he has happening
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#3
Some Nights by Fun. has some brilliant melodies and atmosphere, but the arrangement totally sucks
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#4
The fucking trumpets at the end of "I think I Lost My Headache."

Completely unnecessary and just a bunch of cacophonous bullshit.
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#5
If Tosin Abasi came to me with all his ideas I feel that I would arrange them better. I love animals as leaders but I feel that the songs don't go anywhere. Some melodies don't get repeated, some sections don't need to be there. I like my music progressive but I like it to have substance. Like Chopin.
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The fucking trumpets at the end of "I think I Lost My Headache."

Completely unnecessary and just a bunch of cacophonous bullshit.

Totally disagree

Anyway Id say pretty much the entire production of age of adz. You can tell sufjan's illinois style of songwriting is still there, but its just buried under all of these electronics that arent even that good
#9
The Carpenters had a lot of good songs I feel would be better with different instruments.

A lot of 80s pop songs had good shit going on but is just a bunch of cheesy synth tracks.
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If Tosin Abasi came to me with all his ideas I feel that I would arrange them better. I love animals as leaders but I feel that the songs don't go anywhere. Some melodies don't get repeated, some sections don't need to be there. I like my music progressive but I like it to have substance. Like Chopin.

Oh wow missed this at first

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If Tosin Abasi came to me with all his ideas I feel that I would arrange them better. I love animals as leaders but I feel that the songs don't go anywhere. Some melodies don't get repeated, some sections don't need to be there. I like my music progressive but I like it to have substance. Like Chopin.
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#13
Yeah, BJ Thomas was "country-pop". He also did "Raindrops are Fallin' on my Head", which was huge.
#14
Nearly all Tool songs have some sort of merit in terms of writing but I cannot fucking stand how they turned out tbh
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#16
Most of the popular math rock really

The sections might be sprawling and noodly but underneath it all is an ABABCBB

after a while that's just boring, whereas something a little more varied can work better
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#19
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I like Jerry Reed, but when I was learning this song and heard his version....ugh!



Oh yeah. I remember listening to that one time. It's not good at all and that goes beyond the arrangement. Dolly Parton did a cover a few years back that was really good and it made me wonder why there isn't dobro in more covers of that song.
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#20
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BJ Thomas isn't "real" country.


Well obviously not. That's why the arrangement of the song is so hokey.
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#21
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Most of the popular math rock really

The sections might be sprawling and noodly but underneath it all is an ABABCBB

after a while that's just boring, whereas something a little more varied can work better


what sort of 'math rock' do you enjoy

are you a drive like jehu kinda guy?
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#22
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Well obviously not. That's why the arrangement of the song is so hokey.


Yeah there was quite a bit of hokey country pop going on in the 70s.

A lot of listeners were not so keen on the musical arrangements as much as the catchy lyrics especially if the chorus was catchy enough to stick in their heads.
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#23
The year 39 by queen. Thats a really good song when just played as a strumming folk song but the album version is just way over-arranged.
#24
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Some Nights by Fun. has some brilliant melodies and atmosphere, but the arrangement totally sucks


that shit sounds like the lion king

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The fucking trumpets at the end of "I think I Lost My Headache."

Completely unnecessary and just a bunch of cacophonous bullshit.


wrong
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#25
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what sort of 'math rock' do you enjoy
Sorry for the late reply.

I like a lot of the midwestern stuff that's just adopted the time sigs and angular melodies but the post-hardcore influenced stuff has got me going more recently. I really enjoy a group called 37500 Yens. Stuff like TTNG is a given but I've found myself drifting from them recently. About Tess are p great but they're not that odd-time-signaturey-y
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#26
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springsteen songs

theres just too much going on

i mean yeah born in the usa and glory days are alright

but not every song needs an entire brass section and 7 guitarists plus a pianist and the rhythm section and whatever the hell else he has happening


It's really only the first three albums (Greetings and The Wild.... + Born To Run with its wall of sound) that has lots going on, his other albums are all more restrained in instrumentation.
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#27
>all these people defending the ITILMH horns

"No."
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#28
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>all these people defending the ITILMH horns

"No."


Agree.

"Ooh it's really artsy and out there"

For 30 seconds, a minute tops maybe. But after that it's just irritating.
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#29
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It's really only the first three albums (Greetings and The Wild.... + Born To Run with its wall of sound) that has lots going on, his other albums are all more restrained in instrumentation.


i was talking more about his live show which is still great but every single song is over-arranged

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>all these people defending the ITILMH horns

"No."


wrong
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#30
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I like Jerry Reed, but when I was learning this song and heard his version....ugh!

don't you say a bad word about Jerry Reed

I was just watching a tv show about The Carpenters and their hits
the commentators were talking about their great covers of songs but every time they played an excerpt of an original it was so much cooler than their saccharine blandness
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#31
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springsteen songs

theres just too much going on

i mean yeah born in the usa and glory days are alright

but not every song needs an entire brass section and 7 guitarists plus a pianist and the rhythm section and whatever the hell else he has happening

that's what makes them so great, everything just flows and works together.
#32
This song

I really really love Bon Iver, but that dissonant horn section and shit in the background the whole time ruins it
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#33
e street shuffle is pretty good i guess

@tallie personally i like the way that whole song sounds but i can see what you mean

i feel that way about some songs on for emma
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#34
I feel like the horn arrangement could have been a lot more....smoother I guess, like, it was going in a good direction and then someone was like, lets just make these horns all stop start and shit.
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#35
Way too many. It's sad when I hear a song and I go "hmm, that would be pretty good if there was more shit going on sonically"

"Folk" music being the usual culprit.
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#36
There are a few songs like that in my music playlist where if I'm playing along I'll play what I want instead.

For example, when I play "Sober" by Tool, instead of the quiet verses, I tend to play really hard staccato riffs to match the bassline
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#37
I was listening to Boris's Flood earlier, and I thought to myself during the first 10 minutes, "This could really use something else besides this guitar loop and drum."
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There are a few songs like that in my music playlist where if I'm playing along I'll play what I want instead.

For example, when I play "Sober" by Tool, instead of the quiet verses, I tend to play really hard staccato riffs to match the bassline

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#39
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#40
Radiohead and Tool are similar in the fact that both f their first albums are trash apart from one fantastic song.
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