Poll: Was Firefly as good as people say?
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View poll results: Was Firefly as good as people say?
Yes
14 70%
No
3 15%
Never seen it so I should probably go watch the series seriously you can do it in like a weekend
3 15%
Voters: 20.
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#1
Was it overrated or was it really that good?

All the nerds always go on about it being cancelled and how much of a loss it was. But then you watch it and realise YES it actually was that bloody good.

Also Stargate SG-1 and Farscape hmu. Cult scifi is the best.

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#2
Overrated as hell. It was alright though. I'd give it about a 6 or 7 on a scale of 1-10.
#3
The thing that upsets me about Firefly isn't necessarily how good what we got was, it's how good it could have ended up being. I love the episodes that exist, but there's so much in them that pointed towards absolute brilliance further down the line. Interesting plots, growing chemistry between actors, the direction the characters were moving in, it should have been given the time to develop.
#4
Yes it is very good.

The only other scifi series I can think of that is on par with it so far is Expanse
My God, it's full of stars!
#5
Quote by BelowTheSun
The thing that upsets me about Firefly isn't necessarily how good what we got was, it's how good it could have ended up being. I love the episodes that exist, but there's so much in them that pointed towards absolute brilliance further down the line. Interesting plots, growing chemistry between actors, the direction the characters were moving in, it should have been given the time to develop.


Have you seen Farscape?

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#6
SG1

Farscape also though I watched it considerably less

Dunno about firefly
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#7
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Have you seen Farscape?

No, I still have 600+ episodes of Star Trek to watch/re-watch. Plus I've gotten my yearly BSG craving.
#8
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Have you seen Farscape?


Was fun in the beginning but went off the rails really quick. It lost me before season 1 was halfway finished.
#9
Quote by BelowTheSun
No, I still have 600+ episodes of Star Trek to watch/re-watch. Plus I've gotten my yearly BSG craving.


There are only 80 Star Trek episodes, young fella...
#11
And the Trek films, even though I feel like I've watched Wrath Of Khan four or five times in the last month. Basically, I have way too much to watch to get distracted by Farscape.
#12
Quote by BelowTheSun
And the Trek films, even though I feel like I've watched Wrath Of Khan four or five times in the last month. Basically, I have way too much to watch to get distracted by Farscape.


Don't waste your time on Farscape. It'll just disappoint you in the end, like it did everybody else who watched it. Instead....go watch something better. Like The Addams Family!
#13
The thing that makes it really special is the cast and their chemistry. The rest of it is pretty good too though.
#14
Quote by BelowTheSun
No, I still have 600+ episodes of Star Trek to watch/re-watch. Plus I've gotten my yearly BSG craving.


Getting through early DS9 and all of Voyager...I feel for you.

I love BSG but I don't see how you could watch it yearly. It's bleak af and a rewatch would expose major flaws in the writing.

Interesting to compare BSG terrorism vs DS9 terrorism tho. There's a big contrast post and pre 9/11.

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Was fun in the beginning but went off the rails really quick. It lost me before season 1 was halfway finished.


I am of the opposite opinion. First season it was kinda just finding its feet but once Scorpius is introduced it picks up and then in season 3 and 4 once the story arc gets going it's extremely compelling viewing.

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#15
Quote by BelowTheSun
The thing that upsets me about Firefly isn't necessarily how good what we got was, it's how good it could have ended up being. I love the episodes that exist, but there's so much in them that pointed towards absolute brilliance further down the line. Interesting plots, growing chemistry between actors, the direction the characters were moving in, it should have been given the time to develop.
#16
I'm sort of leaning towards overrated.
Brilliant show but it's legend tends to claim ultimate superiority over any and all sci fi l.

It's like saying Len Bias was the best basketball player ever.
#17
It was distinctively meh.

I didn't live through the original hype though, I just got the stale "Hey wanna watch me nerdgasm?" from a friend re-watching it hype.
It didn't take long to realise
The safest place was not her arms, but her eyes
Where she can't see you
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#18
Quote by EndTheRapture51
I love BSG but I don't see how you could watch it yearly. It's bleak af and a rewatch would expose major flaws in the writing.

I've watched it 5 or 6 times over the past four years, written about it critically in essays for both university and for fun, and I'm here to tell you that there are no flaws in the writing.
#20
Quote by BelowTheSun
I've watched it 5 or 6 times over the past four years, written about it critically in essays for both university and for fun, and I'm here to tell you that there are no flaws in the writing.


The identities of the Final Five were basically pulled out of a hat, All Along The Watchtower as a plot device is never explained nor is Starbuck

I'd love to be proven wrong however

I loved BSG, but the writing isn't exactly tight as the plots start to ramp up.

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#21
Quote by BelowTheSun
I've watched it 5 or 6 times over the past four years, written about it critically in essays for both university and for fun, and I'm here to tell you that there are no flaws in the writing.


Quote by George 'I Killed Your Favourite Character' Martin
Battlestar Galactica ends with 'God Did It.' Looks like somebody skipped Writing 101, when you learn that a deus ex machina is a crappy way to end a story... Yeah, yeah, sometimes the journey is its own reward. I certainly enjoyed much of the journey with BSG... But damn it, doesn't anybody know how to write an ending any more? Writing 101, kids. Adam and Eve, God Did It, It Was All a Dream? I've seen Clarion students left stunned and bleeding for turning in stories with those endings.


Yeah, nothing at all wrong with it.
#22
Quote by EndTheRapture51
The identities of the Final Five were basically pulled out of a hat, All Along The Watchtower as a plot device is never explained nor is Starbuck

I'd love to be proven wrong however

I loved BSG, but the writing isn't exactly tight as the plots start to ramp up.

Who else would have been the Final Five? They hadn't been telegraphing anyone else, and the whole point is that they could have been anyone without knowing it. The fact that it seems random is kinda completely the point. Sam references being aware of All Along The Watchtower in a past life on Earth, and since the mantra of the show is 'all of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again', it makes perfect sense. It's just something that stuck in the minds of the Cylons between turnings of the wheel, so to speak. Kara is deliberately left ambiguous, because she represents the idea of a religious messiah. Making the conscious choice to leave something open - which they clearly did, because the series came to a definitive end - isn't a flaw, it's a choice. You can disagree with it if you want, but sometimes things are allowed to be left unexplained.
#23
A show which early on was so...grounded, didn't make sense that is descended into absolute religious nonsense and deus ex machinas at the end. It's not okay to leave something like that ambigious "because she represents the idea of a religious messiah". Does it matter? Something like that definitely does. You can't go from "grounded" sci fi to being a story about gods and cycles that suddenly.

It didn't me bother me loads like in Lost which was honestly garbage, but it didn't deal with the religious aspects of the show as well as Deep Space 9 does for instance.

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#25
Quote by BelowTheSun
Who else would have been the Final Five? They hadn't been telegraphing anyone else, and the whole point is that they could have been anyone without knowing it. The fact that it seems random is kinda completely the point. Sam references being aware of All Along The Watchtower in a past life on Earth, and since the mantra of the show is 'all of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again', it makes perfect sense. It's just something that stuck in the minds of the Cylons between turnings of the wheel, so to speak. Kara is deliberately left ambiguous, because she represents the idea of a religious messiah. Making the conscious choice to leave something open - which they clearly did, because the series came to a definitive end - isn't a flaw, it's a choice. You can disagree with it if you want, but sometimes things are allowed to be left unexplained.
I wouldn't say Starbuck is unexplained. She's represented in a way that only really leaves you with one explanation, and it's shit.

Anyway. Jaynestown is not my favourite episode. I'm just not that sold on Jayne.
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#26
It's really enjoyable if that's the type of thing you enjoy
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#27
The remake of Battlestar Galactica was pretty good for the first 3 or 4 episodes. As soon as the real tension with the Cylons ended the show became an annoying mess. I hated that whole stupid "lots of us are cylons and don't know it" story arc. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
#28
It was never that grounded. Gaius had a blonde woman living inside his head that may or may not have been real from episode one. Religion, 'chosen ones', messiahs, were always part of the narrative, from Laura in season 1 to Gaius in season 3 to Starbuck at the very end.

The show was always going to end up where it did in season 4. If you didn't like it, that's absolutely fine, but it's very much the logical end.

To be clear - not liking it is fine, I'm not attacking anyone I'm not terribly interested in arguing at the moment.
#31
Quote by BelowTheSun
It was never that grounded. Gaius had a blonde woman living inside his head that may or may not have been real from episode one. Religion, 'chosen ones', messiahs, were always part of the narrative, from Laura in season 1 to Gaius in season 3 to Starbuck at the very end.

The show was always going to end up where it did in season 4. If you didn't like it, that's absolutely fine, but it's very much the logical end.

To be clear - not liking it is fine, I'm not attacking anyone I'm not terribly interested in arguing at the moment.



That was always rationalised though - with the blonde woman in Gaius's head that's a common narrative device in a whole bunch of media. Whether it was a Cylon implant in his head or just him being mentally deranged, that's not something that unbelievable - because it can be explained.

Similarly with things like the human-cylon baby you can rationalise that in the context of the setting because that'd be an pretty important and world shattering thing. But with Starbuck appearing back from the dead like that...that's just a stretch too far for me because it's barely addressed let alone explained.

That's just my thought anyway. I still love the series because overall it was great quality - it just has a lot of holes that you have to look past to fully enjoy it imo.

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#32
Quote by tateandlyle
better question, is arrow the worst show ever made? literally unwatchable


It was great but even I jumped ship after Oliver "died" in season 3 it was getting increasing unwatchable

Season 2 was fantastic though

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#33
Quote by BelowTheSun
Not when Gotham exists.


What is the point of Gotham? You know most of what's going to happen to the characters simply because of the Batman canon. Oh, The Penguin, well he's in the later Batman things, so he isn't dying.

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It was great but even I jumped ship after Oliver "died" in season 3 it was getting increasing unwatchable

Season 2 was fantastic though


I gave up on Arrow halfway through the past season. Just felt like they were retreading the same ground over and over. I've gone from Arrow/Legends and Flash to just Flash now.
#34
Quote by Minkaro
What is the point of Gotham? You know most of what's going to happen to the characters simply because of the Batman canon. Oh, The Penguin, well he's in the later Batman things, so he isn't dying.

The sad thing is, Gotham Central is the best Batman-based comic anyone's ever put out. Literally all they had to do was make Gotham Central: The TV Show.
#35
Quote by BelowTheSun
The sad thing is, Gotham Central is the best Batman-based comic anyone's ever put out. Literally all they had to do was make Gotham Central: The TV Show.


I had no idea that existed, but I was saying to my brother that it would make far more sense to just set it during the typical Batman era (so present day), and just have Batman be this outside figure that only appears sporadically. At least then you don't have to do this "shit, we can't use Scarecrow...let's make his dad a villain" bullshit.
#36
Quote by Minkaro
I had no idea that existed, but I was saying to my brother that it would make far more sense to just set it during the typical Batman era (so present day), and just have Batman be this outside figure that only appears sporadically. At least then you don't have to do this "shit, we can't use Scarecrow...let's make his dad a villain" bullshit.

You should really read Gotham Central then.
#37
Quote by Minkaro
I was saying to my brother that it would make far more sense to just set it during the typical Batman era (so present day), and just have Batman be this outside figure that only appears sporadically.


This would be amazing, I've always despised Batman. Fucking asshole working for the police.
But Batman has THE best villians.
Joker - enough said
Bane - beast villian
Riddler - ok maybe not the best villian ever
Catwoman - classic porn villian
Etc etc etc
#39
i started watching last year but kind of fell off because i was doing overnights and had zero energy.

i liked it tho.

the whole space western aesthetic is
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#40
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That was always rationalised though - with the blonde woman in Gaius's head that's a common narrative device in a whole bunch of media. Whether it was a Cylon implant in his head or just him being mentally deranged, that's not something that unbelievable - because it can be explained.

Similarly with things like the human-cylon baby you can rationalise that in the context of the setting because that'd be an pretty important and world shattering thing. But with Starbuck appearing back from the dead like that...that's just a stretch too far for me because it's barely addressed let alone explained.

That's just my thought anyway. I still love the series because overall it was great quality - it just has a lot of holes that you have to look past to fully enjoy it imo.
The thing is, it's not really Starbuck back from the dead, because there's a scene with Starbuck, the wreckage of her Viper and the charred corpse of Starbuck, so it doesn't really fit the sort of standard messianic tropes.
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