Poll: Do you agree with safe spaces?
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Yes
8 24%
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26 76%
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#1
Victoria Atkins (Louth and Horncastle) (Con)

Q4. Freedom of speech is a fundamental British value, which is undermined by so-called safe spaces in our universities, where a sense of righteous entitlement among a minority of students means that their wish not to be offended shuts down debate. As students around the country return to their places of learning at the start of this new academic year, does my right hon. Friend agree that university is precisely the place for lively debate, and that fear of being offended must not trump freedom of speech?

The Prime Minister:
I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. We want our universities not just to be places of learning, but to be places where there can be open debate which is challenged and people can get involved in that. I think everybody is finding this concept of safe spaces quite extraordinary. We want to see that innovation of thought taking place in our universities; that is how we develop as a country, as a society and as an economy, and I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend.


Do you think people should be allowed safe spaces free of freedom of speech? Should they exist within an institution like a university? Share your thoughts as long as you don't trigger me thanks.
#4
I think that this thread will be a Right hon. Laugh.
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#5
Your home is your safe space


Your school is not
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#6
I absolutely agree with my hon.
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#7
Anyone who needs a safe space is probably too pathetic to be allowed out in public, never mind allowed to enroll at a university. Remove all safe spaces and replace them with unsafe places where everyone can happily insult each other and mock people who get offended by everything. hon. Friend has it right.
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#8
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Your home is your safe space


Your school is not


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#9
Home isn't a safe space if you have privileged shitlord parents who refuse to even accept mayonnaise as a gender
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#10
i'm a straight white male in America, i've got all the luck i need, and am not allowed to criticize safe spaces because they are not for me

i need a safe space to get away from the people who feel they need safe spaces
#11
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Home isn't a safe space if you have privileged shitlord parents who refuse to even accept mayonnaise as a gender



Get a job and your own home then
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#12
Genuinely speaking though, I agree.

I do think we're in an age now - WAY more so than ever - where people are afraid to say things out of fear that a herd of sjw's will instantly attack them.

Not necessarily even things that are that controversial, but people seem to have found a way of getting offended at anything and everything - often on behalf of other people.
#14
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Genuinely speaking though, I agree.

I do think we're in an age now - WAY more so than ever - where people are afraid to say things out of fear that a herd of sjw's will instantly attack them.

Not necessarily even things that are that controversial, but people seem to have found a way of getting offended at anything and everything - often on behalf of other people.


Very true.

It's so true that herd of right wingers brigade peoples Twitter accounts with racist abuse because they acted in films that were not well received.
#15
Quote by matt bickerton
Genuinely speaking though, I agree.

I do think we're in an age now - WAY more so than ever - where people are afraid to say things out of fear that a herd of sjw's will instantly attack them.

Not necessarily even things that are that controversial, but people seem to have found a way of getting offended at anything and everything - often on behalf of other people.


No that never happens. that's a myth that white people make up

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#16
Before it's over with even your own mind will not be a safe space.

At least that is what Dave Mustaine predicted circa 1990:

"Fill the cracks in, with judicial granite
Because I don't say it, don't mean I ain't thinking it
Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away..."
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#17
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Before it's over with even your own mind will not be a safe space.

At least that is what Dave Mustaine predicted circa 1990:

"Fill the cracks in, with judicial granite
Because I don't say it, don't mean I ain't thinking it
Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away..."
Truly a prophet, and a poet.

A man of unquestionable sanity and clarity of thought.


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#18
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A man of unquestionable sanity and clarity of thought.


....wait.....



LOL yeah Dave was an ass but he made a good point every now and again.
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#19
Nah I think a space for discussion for minorities without someone interjecting with "But does racism exist? Is it really that bad?" is a valuable effort.
#20
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Nah I think a space for discussion for minorities without someone interjecting with "But does racism exist? Is it really that bad?" is a valuable effort.
And in a debate, it's up to the chair to keep the debate on topic.
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#21
doubt this will be popular with pit dwellers (but really when is anything i say popular with pit dwellers) but fuck safe spaces. The world's a tough place and while these safe spaces exist under the guise of "safety" (from what? from hearing things you don't want to hear? ugh the arrogance), what they really are is an incubator for embitterment, for people to sit around and be outraged about how unfair the world is.

SJWs basically have taken universities hostage by demanding these safe spaces because no university will create the remote idea of saying no to any possible demographic because they want to make as much money as possible which involves accomadating everyone and their bullshit needs is going to risk that PR disaster
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#22
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And in a debate, it's up to the chair to keep the debate on topic.

I don't think safe spaces are about debates, they're just support groups.
#23
"Oh woe is me" groups
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#24
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#25
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Nah I think a space for discussion for minorities without someone interjecting with "But does racism exist? Is it really that bad?" is a valuable effort.

Pretty much. They're not 'lalala don't want to hear anything I disagree with' spaces, they're 'we want to talk about issues that specifically affect us without people butting in' spaces. At least, they shouldn't be. Maybe some are, but that doesn't mean they all shouldn't exist.
#26
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
I don't think safe spaces are about debates, they're just support groups.
The quote in the OP mentions debate. And similarly, for a support group, you don't even have to be polite like someone chairing a debate. You can just tell people to fuck the fuck off.
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#27
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The quote in the OP mentions debate. And similarly, for a support group, you don't even have to be polite like someone chairing a debate. You can just tell people to fuck the fuck off.

I'm not sure telling an addict or a victim of rape or a minority discussing their experiences with racism to 'fuck off' would be helpful to them. Usually it helps to listen.
#28
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
I'm not sure telling an addict or a victim of rape or a minority discussing their experiences with racism to 'fuck off' would be helpful to them. Usually it helps to listen.
Are they going to be the ones coming in and asking if rape is even real?
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#29
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#30
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I'm not sure telling an addict or a victim of rape or a minority discussing their experiences with racism to 'fuck off' would be helpful to them. Usually it helps to listen.


No he's meaning telling the dickheads who are coming in trying to mansplain or some shit to fuck off.
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#31
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i'm a straight white male in America, i've got all the luck i need, and am not allowed to criticize safe spaces because they are not for me

i need a safe space to get away from the people who feel they need safe spaces


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#32
Ugh, mansplain.


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#33
In a way this thread and all of these debates is a failure of people to establish definitions and beliefs/positions prior to discussion.

if you go into a debate where your "opponent" means one thing for one word, and you mean something very different with that same word, the discussion is for all intents and purposes devoid of meaning. It either becomes arguing past each other, or it becomes some sort of emotivist disco
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#34
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No he's meaning telling the dickheads who are coming in trying to mansplain or some shit to fuck off.
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Are they going to be the ones coming in and asking if rape is even real?

Oh, my bad. Yeah but you tell them to fuck off and you've got a bunch of people decrying the loss off freedom of speech, and how minorities are all babies who don't want their opinions challenged. The stigma popularly associated with these spaces almost defeats their purpose.
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#35
I love how wound up ali gets
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#36
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In a way this thread and all of these debates is a failure of people to establish definitions and beliefs/positions prior to discussion.

if you go into a debate where your "opponent" means one thing for one word, and you mean something very different with that same word, the discussion is for all intents and purposes devoid of meaning. It either becomes arguing past each other, or it becomes some sort of emotivist disco
Conveniently the proponents of "safe spaces" as they are in practice on universities are typically the ones being obtuse about just what they mean and want. But they're cowards so that's to be expected.


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#37
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Your home is your safe space


Ha! Not with that TV in your room and your new smart refrigerator, smart toaster. I hope you're not watching anything problematic, Stewie-san...
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#38
Segregation now!
Just remember to not blame it on whitey when it doesn't end up the way you want it to.
I know whitey will still be blamed though.
#39
Yo fuck whitey
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