#1
Okay so, I recently purchased a new guitar, a Schecter Omen Extreme 6 FR from Guitar Center to be exact. And needless to say, it did not come in tune (Despite some reviews claiming that theirs came set up and ready to go). So I took it upon myself to set it up myself, and It's ACTUALLY staying in Tune now even after diving and pulling up (Although, admittedly I am a little afraid to do it too much in fear of it dropping out of tune and having to adjust it all over again).

ANYWAYS I'LL GET RIGHT TO IT; so I set it up, and it's staying in tune however I noticed that it looks a little crooked around the post (The Floyd), the Left side of the floyd doesn't appear to be parallel with the right side of the Floyd. I'm not aware if it came like this or this was as a result of my setup (It's possible). I'll attach a picture, but I'm wondering if this is a problem that could be fixed by adjusting the screws/spring tension in the back of the guitar or is it the way that The post/inserts were mounted by the manufacturer that causes it to be crooked?.

Like I said before, I'm not sure if it was like this pre-setup or post-setup.Is this even a huge deal I should remedy a.s.a.p? I know it's a little hard to tell, but I think there's enough room so that the right knife edge isn't rubbing so I don't think that'll cause problems, but one again, I'm very new and a novice when it comes to Floyd rose trem systems so I'd appreciate it if someone could give me some insight .

ALSO: The neck pickup came tilted forward towards the neck, yet again (This is my 2nd time ordering it) I'll attach a photo of that too below
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Neck pickup is tilted.pdf
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#2
First off, none of the guitars are Guitar Center are pre-setup - they charge you extra for that service. But yeah, looking at your pictures I would say that the tremolo isn't mounted correctly. This isn't a setup problem, but a manufacturing defect by Schecter. I would return it.
#3
Sayonara6String I figured as much, which is why I was skeptical, This would actually be my second time returning it >_< unfortunately I should probably do so again, and maybe go for a different model . Thanks for your input though!
#4
It looks like a manufacturing goof that you simply never noticed until now.

The bridges of some guitars are intentionally mounted at an angle to aid compensation, like on a TOM bridge. But this isn't done on a Floyd. The saddles can move back and forwards far enough to not need to be mounted at an angle.

I'd return the guitar if it bugs you enough.
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#5
T00DEEPBLUE I'm a little embarassed/dissapointed but I paid a decent amount of money for it (it's usually 440, I got it on sale for 406 for labor day) Is it naive for me to expect a properly mounted Floyd at this price point? Like I said before, I had to return this same model once already because the neck pickup was titled forward towards the neck, and there was a scratch in the binding, the metal looked tarnished as well.

And actually this time around the neck pickup is tilted again, and now upon further inspection, the Floyd is crooked as well, it's in somewhat better shape compared to the first one I got (except for the neck pickup and the floyd).

But I'm certainly considering returning it yet again, as it's a little frustrating. I know I didn't pay for a 1K+ guitar or anything (The way I see it anything above 1K is a little unnecessary, overkill even) but for a midrange price point, I was expecting a little more out of the craftsmanship quality I don't think that'stoo much to as or me being overly naive is it?
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#6
You're asking a subjective question. It's not naive to expect a guitar to be put together properly when you're asking a certain amount of money, but what that amount is depends entirely on who you ask. It's relative to the amount of money you're able to spend on a guitar. Some people consider 'midrange' a guitar that costs as little as $400, some others here consider that as much as $1000. The line is arbitrarily drawn.

I don't think its exceptionally uncommon for a guitar that retails at $400 to have the defect you're seeing. I've seen more expensive guitars with floyds have the same issue. Some guitars are legitimately overpriced garbage and others undoubtedly punch above their own weight, but generally I do think you do get what you pay for when you're buying inexpensive guitars new. I still wouldn't settle for what you're seeing just because it's what I'd consider an inexpensive guitar though. I'd return it and have better luck on the used market.
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#7
T00DEEPBLUE Right, I can expect manufacturing defects like these to happen every once in a while, it's just a little annoying when it happens consecutively, in a row. Though you have a point, at this price point defects such as these aren't uncommon, that being said I still feel as though I'm just an unlucky consumer when it comes to these things haha.

Sometimes I feel I could maybe build a better one myself for the price (One with better hardware at least and I mean that way I could make sure everything's mounted correctly), but building a guitar consist of a lot of trial and error as well, i'm looking at trying my hand at building one very soon though.

I've heard about a lot of hidden gems in the used market, i'm just a little hesitant when it comes to buying used things (Then again, I bought new now, and look where that got me) I'm sure I could probably find something in the used market that's better quality than what I'm getting. The problem for me is getting past the stigma of the "Used" label. But heck, that "New" label certainly isn't looking anymore charming now.
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#8
I would not consider building a guitar unless you really know what you are dealing with. Building your own guitar because you think it might be cheaper is a false economy. There's lots of hidden costs when it comes to buying the proper tools to build them (some of them are specialised) and then there's the obvious time commitment. Building a guitar is not as simple as putting a few strings on a plank.

I don't think there exists a 'stigma' of buying a guitar used at all. That's just silly. People buy them because they can get such a better guitar for their money and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. Many guitars are discontinued as well so buying used is the only option they have.
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T00DEEPBLUE Yeah I've read into it, it's certainly not cheaper than buying a factory made guitar, and it's not exactly a form of immediate self-gratification than buying a guitar would be. I'm sure however it'd be a good (but expensive and lengthy) learning and rewarding experience.

But I do have a relative who has many (perhaps not all) of the tools needed to make one, and he'd be willing to let me use them and even lend me a hand. So that would definitely help with the cost to a certain extent.

Although I realize there are other expenses besides the tools (The wood itself can be expensive depending on what kind, hardware especially if it's higher end, paint/finishing, setbacks as a result of errors in the process,etc. it all adds up more than I'd expect I suppose). But you're right it's a matter of looking at what's more cost effective in this situation.

As for the 'stigma', to be honest it's sort of a stigma I've convinced myself of,which as you've pointed out is honestly silly and perhaps a little eccentric of me, Old doesn't always mean broke or bad (that's definitely a little naive on my part). and I suppose it's a habit I need to be rid of, and actually give the used market a chance. Cause why pay more when you can often get more bang for your buck than you expect? Also I don't mean to bother you with all my replies, just trying to make an informed decision .
#10
All of my Floyd guitars have the bridge at a slight angle. Its not a problem with manufacturing at all. I'm not sure for the reason why, but all of mine work perfectly fine. It's not even a setup issue, its more of an OCD problem.
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#11
^ That's interesting to me because my Jackson doesn't have its Floyd mounted with a compensation angle. I can tell because I know the bridge pickup cavity is not angled and the dam of wood between it and the bridge is the same width all along its length.

And even if that were the case, TS' guitar doesn't look as though It was designed to be angled. The angle is nowhere near the amount you'd typically see on a TOM. And with the dam of wood being consistent in width all along its length relative to the bridge pickup cavity, and having a gap between the bass side of the bridge and the bass side of the cavity showing bare wood suggests to me that such a gap isn't meant to be there.

If you also look more closely at the bottom corners of the picture, the gap between the baseplate where it says 'Floyd Rose' and the edge of the cavity increases in width the further you go down the picture. On the treble side of the bridge, the back of the baseplate is almost touching the edge of the cavity. It's crooked for sure.

One would assume that if the bridge was supposed to be angled, then the cavity would be routed at an angle too so it still lies parallel with the baseplate.
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^ That's interesting to me because my Jackson doesn't have its Floyd mounted with a compensation angle. I can tell because I know the bridge pickup cavity is not angled and the dam of wood between it and the bridge is the same width all along its length.

And even if that were the case, TS' guitar doesn't look as though It was meant to be angled. The angle is nowhere near the amount you'd typically see on a TOM. And with the dam of wood being consistent in width all along its length relative to the bridge pickup cavity, and having a gap between the bass side of the bridge and the bass side of the cavity showing bare wood suggests to me that such a gap isn't meant to be there.

If you also look more closely at the bottom corners of the picture, the gap between the baseplate where it says 'Floyd Rose' and the edge of the cavity increases in width the further you go down the picture. On the treble side of the bridge, the back of the baseplate is almost touching the edge of the cavity. I would assume that if the bridge was supposed to be angled, then cavity would be routed at an angle too and still lie parallel with the baseplate.


I'll take a picture of my Jacksons when I get home because I know my Star has it, and so does my Carvin. My Model 2 probably has one too, but its hard to tell since its not recessed into the body.
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#13
None of my Floyd guitars have the bridge at an angle 5 MIJ Jacksons an MIJ 89 Charvel, an 87 Kramer, a Dean, an Ibanez and a Washburn.
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None of my Floyd guitars have the bridge at an angle 5 MIJ Jacksons an MIJ 89 Charvel, an 87 Kramer, a Dean, an Ibanez and a Washburn.


you have a hell of an arsenal of floyd equipped guitars. i only have four with floaters (ibanez prestiges), and the rest of my guitars are hard tail or strat trems.

i am planning to get another prestige with a trem soon though. and i have a hardtail prestige that i can't open until christmas (the Mrs. won't let me) lol.
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^ That's interesting to me because my Jackson doesn't have its Floyd mounted with a compensation angle. I can tell because I know the bridge pickup cavity is not angled and the dam of wood between it and the bridge is the same width all along its length.

And even if that were the case, TS' guitar doesn't look as though It was designed to be angled. The angle is nowhere near the amount you'd typically see on a TOM. And with the dam of wood being consistent in width all along its length relative to the bridge pickup cavity, and having a gap between the bass side of the bridge and the bass side of the cavity showing bare wood suggests to me that such a gap isn't meant to be there.

If you also look more closely at the bottom corners of the picture, the gap between the baseplate where it says 'Floyd Rose' and the edge of the cavity increases in width the further you go down the picture. On the treble side of the bridge, the back of the baseplate is almost touching the edge of the cavity. It's crooked for sure.

One would assume that if the bridge was supposed to be angled, then the cavity would be routed at an angle too so it still lies parallel with the baseplate.


None of my FR guitars are angled either.
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#16
There's two things to consider here. Is it the post location, or the recess?
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There's two things to consider here. Is it the post location, or the recess?

Does it matter? The guitar has a structural defect either way and is being returned.
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guitarkid8 It could very well be one or the other or both, either way it is a manufacturing defect and is disappointing all the same haha. I could probably attempt to fix it myself, but that's more trouble than it's worth (Seeing as i'm not very experienced with recessed trems) T00DEEPBLUEand I wouldn't want to screw over my chance of returning it.
#19
RBM01991 I'm not going to deny being OCD is a part of the issue, because it most definitely is. But personally if I were making a guitar (which i'm not, i'm purchasing one) I would be restless until I get the trem at a relatively straight/parallel angle with the recess. It'd haunt me at night if it was not (And it currently is. Granted the play ability doesn't seem to be affected, but I expected a little more care/focus on craftsmanship (No I'm not expecting 3k guitar quality, but just better than what I got).

However, I would say that the neck pickup being tilted forward at a crazy angle like that is a manufacturing defect. So perhaps flipping out over the trem angle is just me being OCD, but that neck pickup really isn't supposed to have an angle at all.
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I wouldn't want to screw over my chance of returning it.


Good call. That's what a lot of people who suggest you attempt a repair yourself (on a new item, I mean) seem to forget- if you muck up the repair, or if the fault is more serious than they assumed, you could well have voided your warranty. It's one thing attempting to fix something if you have nothing to lose, or if it definitely is something which you can check yourself without voiding the warranty. It's another taking unnecessary chances when you have little to gain and everything to lose.
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#21
Dave_Mc For sure, there's money in play here and that's not something I want to let go to waste.
#22
My only suggestion is to take a whole day off from work and spend all of it in your store of choice. Play it, inspect it, etc. Make 100% sure it's up to your standards before leaving.
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However, I would say that the neck pickup being tilted forward at a crazy angle like that is a manufacturing defect. So perhaps flipping out over the trem angle is just me being OCD, but that neck pickup really isn't supposed to have an angle at all.

The fix for that could well be as simple and flipping the height adjustment springs the other way around.

But I still wouldn't touch it if you're intending to return the guitar though.
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you have a hell of an arsenal of floyd equipped guitars. i only have four with floaters (ibanez prestiges), and the rest of my guitars are hard tail or strat trems.

i am planning to get another prestige with a trem soon though. and i have a hardtail prestige that i can't open until christmas (the Mrs. won't let me) lol.


Thanks, I have one Kahler on my B.C. Rich and I have to say I like it compared to the Floyd's it's very wiggly because of the cam design it takes little effort to move unlike Floyds which can be stiff and I haven't noticed any major difference in it moving during string bending either. It's a shame more guitars are not factory equpped with Kahlers they are very well engineered. I have some string throughs and a Jazzmaster with the old Fender floating trem. As far as my arsenal I didn't really intend to get that many Floyd guitars many were just damn good deals when I had the cash to grab them.

The Charvel however was a replacement for my 91 Fusion Custom that I had regretfully parted with to pay rent (sucks being a grownup sometimes) my current Fusion Custom is candty Apple Red the first one was Candy Blue. it took about ten years to find her as the Fusion Customs are not floating around just anywhere but they are great guitars my 89 is in near mint condition and completly stock.

Alas a Prestige is still #1 on my GAS list (hardtail or trem I don't care) I had one within my grasp a few years back but the guy backed out of the deal at the last minute, the others I have come across were either more than I could afford at the time or had been abused.
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yeah definitely
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The fix for that could well be as simple and flipping the height adjustment springs the other way around.

But I still wouldn't touch it if you're intending to return the guitar though.


yeah all you need is for the screwdriver to slip and you've put a ding in the guitar's body and then you can't send it back...
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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