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#1
So Trump got caught talking about grabbing a chick by her pussy and kissing her and stuff. People are outraged.

There are two trains of thought here:
1) this is normal locker room banter that pretty much all guys have gone along with
2) it is not a common manner of speaking in private

Kirsten Powers ‏@KirstenPowers 33m33 minutes ago
Dear Twitter people who keep saying 'all men' talk about sexually assaulting women in private: you need to get new friends.

Have you ever talked in that manner with the guys? Is it normal?
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#2
No, and I hope not.
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#3
I try to commit sexual assault as infrequently as possible
#4
No, because I don't sexually harass women.

I've had a good amount of time in the military, work in a male dominated industry, and grew up playing sports. I've been in tons of situations where men talk openly about things like this. Those who speak about harassment are shitheads through and through. To say that this speech is commonplace is to say that men routinely harassing women is commonplace.
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#5
it was just banter
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#7
No, and I call people out on shit like that when I do see or hear it. Thankfully, it's not very often.
#8
I don't talk about it and know about no situation where it's casual discussion, however I think that this sort of discussion is at times, so to speak, enabled through inaction.
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#9
Well, it's a means of expressing how little chance you think someone has of pulling.

For example: "unless you've got your balaclava and your raping trousers, you're not getting your hole tonight"
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#10
I'm in this WhatsApp group with a few of my cousins, and they can get a little descriptive (read: gross) at times, but never actual harassment gross. There's banter and then there's just awful
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Not a real thing. Again, it's indicative of the level of derision one might have for a friend's chances at not getting rejected.

It's not like rapist trainers, which are a thing.
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#13
1) I've never been in a locker room with a person as remotely as famous as Trump, this I imagine is in no way an accurate representation of regular dude talk.

2) Who is in locker rooms after college.

3) I don't think any sort of court would consider that a confession of or bragging about sexual assault. That's like if you say a restaurant let's you eat their food because you are famous then that's bragging about stealing food.
#14
Hell no. It may be common among creepy, self entitled assholes, but I wouldn't classify it as normal...
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#15
I hear this sort of thing too often (not necessarily what Trump is saying but rather talking about women as if their sole purpose is as a sexual conquest) and it makes me uncomfortable. To much of a coward to do anything about it though.
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#16
I don't think I've ever encountered this among people I am friends with.

In random passing by, once or twice. Very tempted to smack them round the back of the head but they were a 40 year old in a football shirt so I wouldn't have thought it'd left a deep enough impression upon his thick head, figuratively and literally.

To the second question, no and thank fuck for that. I've enough experiences imprinted on me to know it's never been in my ballpark or anyone elses I know of.
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#17
Only jerks and mysogynistic dbags talk like that. It's no wonder trump is a part of that crew...

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#19
No. At most it's stuff like "huh, she looks good" and that's about it. There's a very obvious boundary between 1) being sexually attracted to someone and acting on that feeling in a respectful way and 2) using a position of power/authority to sexually assault people to whom you're attracted without consequence (and then brag about it).

idk, it's a thing about powerful people sometimes. Their personal perspective on what's appropriate gets projected outward so other people believe it too, they don't get challenged on it, and by getting what they want they're reinforced to treat people in an exploitative way (in this case, what is clearly sexual assault that some people with their head in the sand think is okay).
#21
oh my god who gives a fuck
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#23
I definitely did talk like this when I was a teenager, and so did my friends and basically every dude that age. I still hear it from older dudes on occasion. As I got older, it definitely toned down, and eventually it really hit me how much I was part of the problem and how fucked up that all is. It was all very normalized for the most part so somehow I didn't notice. My friends went on a similar track, and we speak up now, but a lot of people just don't point it out to younger dudes.

Freaking out over politicians saying fucked up stuff is important and all (I guess), but I generally assume all politicians are corrupt or hold fucked up views. I think it's more important to just point it out to younger guys. Not like freak out on them etc., just point it out in a 'that's kind of messed up dude' kind of way. I would say that most guys would understand how fucked it is when someone brings attention to it and really gets them to think about what they just said.
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#24
ah man, Trump and Pence have had such a good track record with women. This is definitely going to hurt him instead of not doing anything at all to his campaign
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you know what my problem with all of this is? The "in private" part. The people who condemn shit people say "in private" are also the same lot who believe what people do "in private" is nobody else's business. At some point, you can't have your cake and eat it too, right? I'm a firm believer that words are meaningless, especially "in private," and that actions are what's important. Words don't do anything. Talking about women a certain way doesn't mean a thing. How you treat them is what matters, and none of you posting from your moral high grounds have any right whatsoever to talk about what people do "in private."
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you know what my problem with all of this is? The "in private" part. The people who condemn shit people say "in private" are also the same lot who believe what people do "in private" is nobody else's business. At some point, you can't have your cake and eat it too, right? I'm a firm believer that words are meaningless, especially "in private," and that actions are what's important. Words don't do anything. Talking about women a certain way doesn't mean a thing. How you treat them is what matters, and none of you posting from your moral high grounds have any right whatsoever to talk about what people do "in private."


not like it matters what moral high ground we take here on ultimate guitar dot com since after all our words our meaningless and we're taking no real action
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#27
I fucking don't
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#28
I have met too many people who talk about others like this. I certainly don't think all men speak this way but it is unacceptable regardless of whether it is common or not.
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#30
I have never talked this way to friends & I worked in a factory for 5 years.
#31
A lot of the dudes I've ever known that are in positions that enable them to get a lot of sex with women talk similarly to that. Some do it in a more charming way but the same sentiment is there. "I'm awesome, I get chicks" is about all there is to it really.

I'm not on the phone calling police about a sexual assault just because some dude brags about getting hot chicks.
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you know what my problem with all of this is? The "in private" part. The people who condemn shit people say "in private" are also the same lot who believe what people do "in private" is nobody else's business. At some point, you can't have your cake and eat it too, right? I'm a firm believer that words are meaningless, especially "in private," and that actions are what's important. Words don't do anything. Talking about women a certain way doesn't mean a thing. How you treat them is what matters, and none of you posting from your moral high grounds have any right whatsoever to talk about what people do "in private."
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Dude that post was hot trash.
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you know what my problem with all of this is? The "in private" part. The people who condemn shit people say "in private" are also the same lot who believe what people do "in private" is nobody else's business. At some point, you can't have your cake and eat it too, right? I'm a firm believer that words are meaningless, especially "in private," and that actions are what's important. Words don't do anything. Talking about women a certain way doesn't mean a thing. How you treat them is what matters, and none of you posting from your moral high grounds have any right whatsoever to talk about what people do "in private."


Yeah but it's different when a known sexist/creep says something like that from when a regular person says it. I've used this example before but if a KKK member told you a racist joke you wouldn't laugh.
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Dude that post was hot trash.


I'm not gonna pretend like that's the lewdest thing I've ever heard and/or have never been private conversations that that fart out anything less than unicorn and vanilla fairy tales.

Hell, even in the pit. How many times have you seen "fuck her right in the pussy" or "she can ____ my ______ ".

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I'm not gonna pretend like that's the lewdest thing I've ever heard and/or have never been private conversations that that fart out anything less than unicorn and vanilla fairy tales.

Hell, even in the pit. How many times have you seen "fuck her right in the pussy" or "she can ____ my ______ ".


You should read my first post in this thread and then tell me if your opinion is still the same.


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Words don't do anything.


Fucking clueless.
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You should read my first post in this thread and then tell me if your opinion is still the same.
Still the same. That didn't do anything at all...

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#39
Now admittedly there is a crucial difference. He's talking about things that he has actually done, vs just pure "locker room" humor. So on that basis, it's wrong, but otherwise, no.

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Still the same. That didn't do anything at all...


Then I would encourage you not to perpetuate shit dudes being shit dudes by participating in the future.
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