#1
So I keep having this issue with every single one of my mixes - when I am mixing in my studio, my kick balance sounds perfect at low volumes and high volumes.

Then, when I render it and listen to the mix in the car, the kick is always too loud / kind of sounds more like somebody hitting a microphone with their hand (very bassy/thumpy), as opposed to having a nice snap but sitting just right in the mix.

Heres an example of what I'm talking about; let me know if you can hear what Im talking about: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lh0w5p4apiar5wn/Here%20Screaming.mp3?dl=0

The simple solution you would imagine would be to just turn the kick volume down or cut the lows on the kick. But when I do that, it seems to screw up the overall balance of the mix, and then when I re-master and adjust my final limiter, I end up right where I started.

Its frustrating, because it sounds fine in my room but I notice it RIGHT AWAY when I listen in my car or something. Im suspecting that it has something to do with my mastering, but im not sure. Can anybody help me?
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#2
Okay, so the reason you're having trouble is that there's likely a null of that frequency in your mix position. You could likely deal with it via room treatment. It sounds fine in your room because that frequency is being attenuated.

You need to invest in absorption. Either build your own or buy some panels from ATS Acoustics.
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Okay, so the reason you're having trouble is that there's likely a null of that frequency in your mix position. You could likely deal with it via room treatment. It sounds fine in your room because that frequency is being attenuated.

You need to invest in absorption. Either build your own or buy some panels from ATS Acoustics.


I have bass traps in all of the corners of the room ( LENRDs) and they didnt do shit; there is no noticeable change whatsoever in the sound whether they are there or not. I also have 4incj thick panels of owens corning 703 that ive tried arranging in different places, but that hasnt done jack either.

My speakers are jbl lsr 308s. I have tried putting them in every place imaginable in my room and ive changed listening positions inumerous times. I have literally tried setting up on all 4 walls of the room. My room is 15'x11'x7' (LxWxH)

Im legit about to sell my house lol. My guitar amps sound like ass in here too, because the bass really isnt well represented
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As a rule of thumb, about 2/3rds of your room should be absorbant. Add more absorption.

Also, I'd say the limiter on your master bus is working harder than it should. How much is your kick peaking at compared to your RMS level?
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I have bass traps in all of the corners of the room ( LENRDs) and they didnt do shit; there is no noticeable change whatsoever in the sound whether they are there or not. I also have 4incj thick panels of owens corning 703 that ive tried arranging in different places, but that hasnt done jack either.

My speakers are jbl lsr 308s. I have tried putting them in every place imaginable in my room and ive changed listening positions inumerous times. I have literally tried setting up on all 4 walls of the room. My room is 15'x11'x7' (LxWxH)

Im legit about to sell my house lol. My guitar amps sound like ass in here too, because the bass really isnt well represented


Found your problem. Those bass traps aren't doing jack. Also consider helmholtz resonator style traps. You can build them out of concrete forms you can get at home depot for super cheap.

Also, more absorbers.
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Found your problem. Those bass traps aren't doing jack. Also consider helmholtz resonator style traps. You can build them out of concrete forms you can get at home depot for super cheap.

Also, more absorbers.


Do you have a link for the tutorial, sir?
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As a rule of thumb, about 2/3rds of your room should be absorbant. Add more absorption.

Also, I'd say the limiter on your master bus is working harder than it should. How much is your kick peaking at compared to your RMS level?


How do you mean? What kind of absorbers? 2 inch thick foam panels on walls? Or thicker? Are we talking about broadband absorbers or something else? Thanks!
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Found your problem. Those bass traps aren't doing jack. Also consider helmholtz resonator style traps. You can build them out of concrete forms you can get at home depot for super cheap.

Also, more absorbers.


These are what I have: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LENRD8CHA?product_id=%7Bproduct_id%7D&adpos=1o2&creative=54989966161&device=m&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=Cj0KEQiA39_BBRD0w-_rmOrc__8BEiQA-ETxXQFaksbUXwuF2FbZ0gxkVzBDkgJejkvWfZNlLn8neEoaAuH78P8HAQ
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#9
You'll get better low end absorption just by hanging those 703 panels across your corners. Seriously, those open cell foam traps do absolutely nothing worthwhile.

As far as making the helmholtz resonators: no, I don't. I was taught how to do it by a teacher. You can basically tune them by moving a piece of styrofoam insulation up or down the tube to change the depth. If you want to add absorbent material, go for it.
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#10
Load an RTA app and feed it with a flat condenser mic. Now record several positions in your mix room especially at your listening position and see what gives. I suspect these guys are right and you have serious bass node/null depending on position. Try mixing with just a pair of quality headphones and compare your mix to a well known pro track that sounds the way you want your kick to sound. A/B comparison is the best way for me to get consistently good mixes in my schlocky home demo studio with cheap-azz monitors.
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#11
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How do you mean? What kind of absorbers? 2 inch thick foam panels on walls? Or thicker? Are we talking about broadband absorbers or something else? Thanks!

2 inch thick foam panels (should by fairly high density, can't help you much with specs in this area, consult google over acoustic foam properties) spaced between 5 to 15 cm (about 2" to 6") from your wall. The size and number of panels depends on the size of your room, but you can't have too much absorption. It's a fairly simple build too, you just need a frame for it and hangers which will allow that space between the wall and the panel. I don't have a specific tutorial, but any local carpenter will be able to help you with this.

Might as well keep those foam corners, they might not do much but they don't hurt.
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#12
So I built this little enclosure using my LENRDs and my OC 703 panels. I haven't mixed anything yet; but I notice when I sit down inside of the enclosure (my head is underneath the panel that is acting like a 'cloud'), the sound changes noticeably to a bit deeper, darker and smoother. Very nice.

I was looking at quarter wavelengths and I really believe that it is the dimensions of my room (11'x15'x7') that are wrecking havoc on my sound; waves everywhere from 150hz to 60hz are variably decimated by the width and height particularly badly. We will see how this works, until I get some more money to buy more panels and stuff.

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#13
The 7' ceiling isn't helping things.

hell it's almost too low to even bother with a cloud.
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#14
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The 7' ceiling isn't helping things.

hell it's almost too low to even bother with a cloud.


Yea, my little shelter there didn't really work. It smoothed things out a bit because it got rid of a lot of the high reflections, but the low end is still just missing - it makes it terribly hard to mix :/
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#15
Maybe just learn to live with a pair of headphones for reference and get used to...

Man, overall, I haven't seen so many weird solutions and as many problems in one place as you've represented through the years...I remember you had a Colorado legalized substance that was affecting your mixes, you sure that is not the case again?
#16
Your monitors are WAY too far apart for how close you are sitting, and too close to the back wall. This will cause your bass drum to wander, so you have a harder time to get it to lock into the middle of the track.

From what I remember of your last thread, you also mix with a sub? I've never mixed with a sub, and most people don't. Subs in small to medium rooms throw your bass accuracy out the window. If you're doing film or VG work were subs are integral parts of the listening environment and the content delivery, then a sub is needed. Mixing music? Not so much, especially with the tight frequencies you are attempting to layer.
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Maybe just learn to live with a pair of headphones for reference and get used to...

Man, overall, I haven't seen so many weird solutions and as many problems in one place as you've represented through the years...I remember you had a Colorado legalized substance that was affecting your mixes, you sure that is not the case again?


Hahah - i still have these issues with the kick whether i smoke or not unfortunately. Smoking definitely makes mixing more fun though in my opinion
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#18
I've only got a 7" ceiling down here and I have a cloud. Before adding treatment in here, I couldn't mix to save my life.

You should also have some broadband absorbers behind those speakers if you're not going to pull them out from the wall. Mine are quite close to the facing wall, too, but I have absorption behind them, so it works.

Here is how I built my own absorbers and bass traps for pretty cheap. Most of the photos are captioned with descriptions of materials, etc.

https://plus.google.com/photos/105151472351939734946/albums/5666851243565868161?authkey=CMqj8aqgrZKZDQ

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