#1
I have a few hundred bucks and want to get a Casino or a cheap 335 style guitar.

Wondering, can I occasionally get the Casino (P90s) to sound warm, dark, and fat at all, leaning toward a jazz guitar sound? Or should I go with something that has humbuckers and try to get some single coil-ish twang or bite out of them?

Essentially, which pickups can more easily get in the neighborhood of the other? I know, I know, I'm asking what I shouldn't ask, but please play along...!
#2
it depends on the specific p90s you're talking about, but to my ears p90s sound very much in the same ballpark as humbuckers in terms of tone- just a bit rawer-sounding (and with hum/noise). so yeah you should be able to get it to work.

i'm not sure about which is easier to get to sound like the other, much of a muchness most likely.

humbuckers might be the safer option because of no noise, though
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#3
The core difference for me between a Casino and a 335 is not the pickup type, but the construction. A Casino is fully hollow, while a 335 has a center-block. Due to that, the neck joins the body in a different way, making it so a Casino is a lot harder to play higher up the fretboard than a 335.

Other than that, a Casino and a 335 are quite different in character, but both will do similar styles equally well, in my opinion. They'll do it differently, but do it about as good as the other.

You should really go out and try these for yourself. You might hate a 335 because it's pretty big or you might hate the Casino because of where the neck joins the body. Or you might like both. Or whatever. I personally prefer the Casino to the 335, but the 335 is a classic for a reason.
#4
Italuke
Like Dave_MC says, it depends on the particular pickups. There are types of each that sound sweet and jazzy, and others that can blister paint at 100 yards. Some better mainstream and pricier boutique ones seem to have broader tonal ranges as compared to the rest of the ones out there.

The ones in the Epis...I just don't know.
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#5
Guys this is awesome, exactly what I was needing. Great answers to my question then adding a bunch of stuff I didn't know to ask!

Something I forgot though, I also play in a Beatles trib, so that leans in the Casino direction. Anyway, thanks!
#6
You should be able to very easily get a darker, jazzier tone out of a Casino by simply backing off the tone control on the neck pickup a bit and/or plucking the strings more softly, moving your picking hand closer to the base of the neck etc.
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#7
You could also make it more mellow and warm sounding by putting flatwound strings on it. However, if you want more than just the jazz-tone and also want to rock out with it, you'll want to stay away from them. :P
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The core difference for me between a Casino and a 335 is not the pickup type, but the construction. A Casino is fully hollow, while a 335 has a center-block.


good point

just be careful as well, fully hollow is likely to be more prone to feedback etc..

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i tried a casino ages ago but it's so long since i tried it i can't remember much about the specific p90s it had. though it's probably academic anyway since they might well have changed the pickups since i tried it anyway
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You should be able to very easily get a darker, jazzier tone out of a Casino by simply backing off the tone control on the neck pickup a bit and/or plucking the strings more softly, moving your picking hand closer to the base of the neck etc.
True!I've heard Jazz tones out of Strats so a Casino should not be a problem
#10
Personally I'd (highly) recommend the Epiphone 335 Pro: it's got two humbuckers with push/pull knobs for coil-splitting, and it really gives a large sound palette with very nice single coil sounds in addition to humbucker sounds. The stock pickups sound really good, access to higher frets is quite good too, the neck is very comfortable and it's very well made. It's a kickass guitar, I've had mine for over a year now and I loooove it... I think they start at $399 at GC. When I bought mine they gave me a 10% discount (I asked politely :-) ).

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I have a few hundred bucks and want to get a Casino or a cheap 335 style guitar.

Wondering, can I occasionally get the Casino (P90s) to sound warm, dark, and fat at all, leaning toward a jazz guitar sound? Or should I go with something that has humbuckers and try to get some single coil-ish twang or bite out of them?

Essentially, which pickups can more easily get in the neighborhood of the other? I know, I know, I'm asking what I shouldn't ask, but please play along...!
#11
Don't know your exact budget, but here's a few listings for used Reverend Manta Ray 290s:

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I have the 390 version- has an extra P90 and a bigsby trem- and it's a hell of a guitar. Semihollow, korina body, medium oval set-neck, pin lock tuners, and some of the better stock P90s I've played. Can definitely handle jazz to harder classic rock or early-era metal.
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#12
I have both a Dot and a Casino Coupe - smaller body size comparable to a 339. My two cents is that the neck pick-up on the Coupe is perfect for the sound you are after - warm, full sounding, much more satisfying than the Dot's neck PU.

As for bridge pickups both are fine and it really comes down to your preference of P90 or humbucker. I personally find the rawness of the Coupe's bridge 90 complements the smoothness of the neck PU far better than the Dot's HH set up but that's just my opinion. As for playability the Coupe's thinner neck and smaller body just feel more comfortable to me and it has an overall "lighter" feel than the Dot (irrespective of their weight differences) this thing just plays itself.

Other than their looks I think they are two very different guitars and you should definitely try to play both before deciding:
The Dot is certainly rockier but also fine clean. The Coupe doesn't like too much distortion being hollow but I find the neck just much nicer to play.

I love both but of the two I would grab the Coupe if the house were on fire no question. Hope that helps!