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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/13/indiana-town-removes-cross-christmas-tree-after-aclu-lawsuit/95384080/

Fatima Hussein, The Indianapolis Star 3:17 p.m. EST December 13, 2016

KNIGHTSTOWN, Ind. — Officials in an Indiana town removed a cross atop the town's Christmas tree because they said they could not win what was expected to be a costly lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union.

"It is with regret and sadness that the Knightstown Town Council has had the cross removed from the Christmas tree on the town square and is expected to approve a resolution at the next council meeting stating they will not return the cross to the tree," the council said in a Facebook post.

The council cites its inability to afford fighting a legal battle with the American Civil Liberties Union, a representative stated in an email to IndyStar.

Indiana's chapter of the ACLU filed a lawsuit against the town, about 40 miles east of Indianapolis, arguing the display of a Latin cross on the town square violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution.

The lawsuit was brought by Knightstown resident Joseph Tompkins. The town of about 2,100 people held a demonstration at the town square Sunday night, dedicated to keeping the cross on the tree.

Curt Hunt, pastor of the Knightstown United Methodist Church, led the event.

"This is demonstrative of the erosion of free expression of religion," Hunt told IndyStar.

"It is unfortunate that town council was forced to take the action," Hunt said. "It's my hope in the future, someone would be able to put forward the case under the First Amendment, that such displays do not violate the establishment of the First Amendment."

Ken Falk, legal director of the ACLU of Indiana, said the decision to bring down the cross is a win for the First Amendment.

"We're obviously very happy and glad the issue could be resolved," Falk said, adding that Tompkins did not seek any monetary damages for the suit.


I first noticed it this year when I went to my local Walmart's last to get a case of Bud Lite, and the cashier said "Happy HOLIDAYS" to me when I was leaving the store. I stopped walking and looked her straight in the eye and I said "Merry CHRISTMAS" to her. It looked like her LITTLE LIBERAL BRAIN couldn't handle what I had just said. I bet she had to go to a safe space after that lol.

When I got home, I cracked open a cold one and checked the news only to see that some GODLESS IDIOT was going to sue a nice CHRISTIAN town over a CROSS ON A CHRISTMAS TREE! Could he be any more stupid???? I mean, CHRIST is right there in the name!!!

Why are some IDIOTS so intent on taking CHRIST out of CHRISTMAS?! Yes, I said CHRISTMAS!!! Even though those DUMBocrats wish it were illegal to say that it isn't and it WILL NEVER BE!

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Hunt told IndyStar that he would have been open to other religions displaying their own holiday decorations over removing the cross from the town Christmas tree.

"If we had a Jewish or Muslim community here, " he said. "I wouldn't have a problem with them displaying (decorations) for their holidays."


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Also what kind of idiot puts a cross on top of a christmas tree anyway? You're supposed to put a star or an angel up there.
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#3
It's fine to want to change traditions or introduce new ones. There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to change the tradition of Christmas into something else.
But if you do so in a forced manner it will be annoying and anger people, plus it can have an impact on a lot of other things that would need a smooth transition (business, media, etc are all affected). I mean, these type of traditions are part of a culture and are interwoven with a lot of other aspects of said culture. To disrupt it for no reason means those other aspects of culture are thrown off balance, which can introduce a lot of problem. It can cause social unrest (e.g causing angry people to post this exact type of thread), affect businesses (who will be forced to change their products, publicity, etc), confuse people. I don't know why you would want to cause something like that, just to change "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays".
Let it change more naturally, or try to change the culture to adopt other traditions and push Christmas aside, or change culture to convince it to change Christmas on its own.

IMO Christmas is fine, it's all superficial stuff anyways, who cares about how you greet other with "Happy Holidays" or whatever.. I'd be completely fine with it being a Chinese holiday or a Sumatran one or whatever
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#4
lmao Curt Hunt
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#5
anybody remember that movie they made about some small town fighting to keep Christmas

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#6
Curt Hunt sounds like he has a...

alright im not even gonna say it. it's just too easy.

it's always funny this time of year when you hear people talking about the war on christmas shit and they go around saying "Merry Christmas" at people. like out of spite.
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#8
should be big star on a xmas tree anyway, gtfo of here with that religious shit. angels are okay too cause they are cute and kinda non-denominational.

what kinda dork still treats xmas as a religious holiday anyway
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#9
how stupid is a cross on top of a tree anyway

like, form a purely aesthetic standpoint
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Yeah gov't shouldn't favor one religion and also I'd really like a Christmas present.
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a true Christian would have had a crucifix on top of that tree.
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Yeah gov't shouldn't favor one religion and also I'd really like a Christmas present.


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the cashier said "Happy HOLIDAYS" to me when I was leaving the store. I stopped walking and looked her straight in the eye and I said "Merry CHRISTMAS" to her. It looked like her LITTLE LIBERAL BRAIN couldn't handle what I had just said. I bet she had to go to a safe space after that lol.


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#23
Looks like this Joseph Tompkins guy might be geeting a visit from Krampus this year!

Someone say Merry Christmas and the recipient of that greeting can reply Happy Hanukka, Kwanzaa ________ (insert preferred religious celebration), there now both have stated to each what religion they are celebrating and no need to get butthurt about it.

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#25
It's a Christmas tree.... ummm. You know, Christmas, the holiday that Christians celebrate? What's the big deal with putting a cross on an already religious object? And you can put an angel but not a cross? Lmfao, k.

And TS thinks he's so funny by pointing out how intolerant Christians, or "Merry CHRISTMAS" people are when really, does he remember what started this whole thing? Hmm, wasn't it intolerant people freaking out that somebody said Merry Christmas to them? It's now an offensive thing to say that during the holidays. I don't blame people for being mad when there is no reason to be offended by it. none. People don't say Merry Christmas anymore and that's sad.
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how stupid is a cross on top of a tree anyway

like, form a purely aesthetic standpoint

It's christianity, put a cross on everything
Necklace? Put a cross on it
Car? Put a cross on it
Your own body? Put a cross on it

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#28
Obviously this is the biggest affront to the true meaning of Christmas. Not the blind materialism that takes over during this time of year
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a true Christian would have had a crucifix on top of that tree.

Can we hook it up to a fountain so blood can spurt out of the wounds? That seems pretty festive.
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It's a Christmas tree.... ummm. You know, Christmas, the holiday that Christians celebrate? What's the big deal with putting a cross on an already religious object? And you can put an angel but not a cross? Lmfao, k.

And TS thinks he's so funny by pointing out how intolerant Christians, or "Merry CHRISTMAS" people are when really, does he remember what started this whole thing? Hmm, wasn't it intolerant people freaking out that somebody said Merry Christmas to them? It's now an offensive thing to say that during the holidays. I don't blame people for being mad when there is no reason to be offended by it. none. People don't say Merry Christmas anymore and that's sad.

Ah, yes, I remember the Bible verse well, "And yea, Lord, shalt we fell a mighty fir tree to commemorate the birth of our savior! And shalt we then put it into a communal area, and decorate it with lights and popcorn and other goofy shit, and verily it shall please the Lord our God."
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People don't say Merry Christmas anymore and that's sad.


I was literally told "Merry Christmas" by like 5 different places over the weekend when I was shopping. I heard "Happy Holidays" once.

As for the phrase Happy Holidays, it's been used commonly in the US for over 100 years, fam. Calm thineself.
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even Kurt Hunt would have been less obvious, they definitely named him Curt on purpose
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#33
I wish people would exercise their basic human right to common sense.

Be mindful that not everyone enjoys Christmas, wants to celebrate it or is able to celebrate it for whatever reason, be that religious or your personal situation and so on. Shoving endless positivity and Christmas messages into the faces of these people can be annoying to some and offensive to others.

Equally pissing on other people's happiness or taking offence to a seasonal greeting offered with sincerity just because it's not your thing is stupid and selfish really you should just take these things in the spirit they are offered and get on with your life.
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a star would have looked way better, but why is this such a big deal. The dude said he would display other religions if they asked. someone filing a lawsuit over that seems like a real cunt
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I was literally told "Merry Christmas" by like 5 different places over the weekend when I was shopping. I heard "Happy Holidays" once.

As for the phrase Happy Holidays, it's been used commonly in the US for over 100 years, fam. Calm thineself.


Na you and other people who get offended by the phrase "Merry christmas" should calm down. Seriously, what the fuck
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#36
no, YOU calm down.
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Na you and other people who get offended by the phrase "Merry christmas" should calm down. Seriously, what the fuck


>implying I actually get offended

Nice assumption. I personally don't give a shit either way. Both parties being outraged is hilarious to me. It's just that the vast majority of the stuff I see regarding this topic comes from people being offended by "Happy Holidays" and Christmas non-specificity with a handful of stuff like the news story in the OP in the mix. For that reason, I made a satirical post using that perspective.
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One thing I learned that it's better to say Happy Holidays than to tell a black guy Merry Kwanza my nigga because of the cop shootings
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