#1
Sup guys!
I'm gonna buy a new guitar in about a month, now i don't have a whole lotta money so i'm either going for a Mexican Strat or an Ibanez ST type.
What should i get? Because the Fender strat is a little high on my budget, and ibanez make some pretty sweet guitars that are a little more affordable. Are Fenders worth the extra buck? or should i just get a cheaper ST-Type from Ibanez?
#3
what styles of music are you playing and are you talking about a Strat with single coils or one with a humbucker in the bridge
#4
I have 2 Ibanez acoustics which are crap. I have an Ibanez electric, (ART-100 Les Paul type single cut), which I can't play becaus the stupid ****** ******'s have the controls set directly under the path of my arm while strumming. Every time I hit a chord, I turn the pickups off. Of course, "your results may vary", but I wouldn't buy another one of the damned things with your money, on a dare.

BTW, I bought a "lowly" Epiphone SG-400 "Pro" to replace the ART-100, and I'm thrilled with it.
#6
The Strat with the Humbucker in the bridge would probably be the most versatile. I still don't like the control location on that Ibanez.
#7
Those Ibs aren't STs.

I doubt that you need a floating trem. - That is something I would very much avoid unless essential, especially at the lower end of the price scale.

In bolt-on and set necks, I doubt that there is any difference in versatility between single and double cut. Double cut might be an advantage in a through-neck.

For versatility, I would likely go for something in HSS, with a basic Fender-style trem.
#8
Quote by jonasa798
I like to play anything apart from metal.
The Mexican standard: https://www.thomann.de/gb/fender_standard_strat_2011_mn_bsb.htm
The Ibanez(s): https://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_rg350zb_wk.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_s520_wk.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_sa360qm_trb.htm
What about Single cuts, can they play as wide amount of music as a strat?


to broad of an answer in terms of what you play. a Stratocaster certainly can cover a great deal of ground but there are some things that a humbucker does better. another consideration is the necks. the Ibanez guitars tend to have thin necks with tall frets and are designed with speedy paying in mind. the Strat neck while not as thin isn't real thick but is bigger. they also aren't designed with speed in mind (though obviously can be used for speedier stuff). as mentioned an HSS Strat might be a great choice but depending on what you want the HSH Ibby may be the best bet as well. more details neded
#9
Yeah thanks guys.
The only HSS i could afford would probably be a squier then. But would an Epiphone Les Paul Standard be a good choice for an single cut?
I don't really know much about Ibanez, my friend just told me his brother had one and it played pretty well.
So i guess i should either go for a Standard Strat or a Single cut then.
Last edited by jonasa798 at Dec 30, 2016,
#10
Quote by Tony Done
Those Ibs aren't STs.

Depends on your definition; the one we're dealing with here is Thomann's, which defines any doublecut of approximately Strat proportions as an ST.

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I doubt that you need a floating trem. - That is something I would very much avoid unless essential, especially at the lower end of the price scale.

Tend to agree. That's not necessarily the case, but the kind of acrobatics that Floyds make practical occur mostly in metal. That said, some people do prefer them for less dramatic tremolo action, as the good ones are rock solid in their tuning stability. That's also true of the cheap ones, but they're easier to wear out if you mistreat them.

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In bolt-on and set necks, I doubt that there is any difference in versatility between single and double cut. Double cut might be an advantage in a through-neck.

Yeah, don't worry too much about the shape in that regard, if you need the top frets all the time it can make a difference but it won't seriously affect the guitar's versatility. It's relevant mostly to your own preference.

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For versatility, I would likely go for something in HSS, with a basic Fender-style trem.
With metal ruled out I'm not sure I see much advantage in the bridge humbucker, I think I'd be as likely to pick an SSS (or I mean, if it was me it'd be a Tele, but that's just me). That comes down to what sound you want from that bridge pickup. I definitely agree with the post JustRooster (I think it was him?) made the other week about characterising HSS as more versatile than SSS - it does different things but not necessarily more things.

To answer the OP's question, neither the Fenders nor the Ibbies will limit the music you can play with them. The Ibbies will have thinner necks that are usually preferred for fast lead playing but not necessarily what you want the rest of the time (they might be, though); several of them have floating trems which have a bit of a reputation for wearing out at that price point but when they work have pretty much perfect tuning stability. They also tend to have high output humbuckers which are best suited to a lot of distortion rather than cleans (and I believe that stock Ibanez humbuckers have a bit of a bad reputation but I can't say that for sure).

The Fenders will have slightly bigger necks, though still not particularly thick, that people sometimes find more comfortable for things that aren't fast lead playing - with all such things your experience may vary. They'll generally have the traditional synchronised tremolo which is a bit simpler than the Floyd to set up - not to say that Floyds are difficult but they take a little figuring out at first - and won't stay in tune forever like a Floyd but shouldn't give you any trouble if you treat them right and are preferred by some people for their own feel. They can also be decked which gives you a little more room to change tunings on the fly and allow the guitar to stay in tune if you break a string. Singlecoil pickups are brighter than humbuckers and generally have a lower output, as well as producing more unwanted noise with a lot of gain on them (which is why humbuckers are almost universally preferred in metal); they generally also compress the signal a bit less so you get a wider dynamic range.

In your position, I wouldn't be looking at Ibanez guitars, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be. Ideally you want to figure out how you prefer the guitar to feel and what features you want.

Quote by jonasa798
Yeah thanks guys.
The only HSS i could afford would probably be a squier then. But would an Epiphone Les Paul Standard be a good choice for an single cut?
I don't really know much about Ibanez, my freind just told me his brother had one and it played pretty well.
So i guess i should either go for a Standard Strat or a Single cut then.
I hate to make things more difficult, but your options are substantially wider than that. Epiphone Les Pauls tend to be good at that price range; they'll have a darker sound than Strats, and they'll usually be heavier, and they'll have chunkier necks. Also, they tend to have longer sustain. Any of those things may appeal to you or not, but those are the differences that come to mind for me. Other options are Telecasters, SGs, probably several things from G&L in that price range, probably a few things from Godin, a few from Reverend. There are a lot of options and it doesn't sound like you especially need any specialisations that might limit your options a lot.
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#11
Quote by jonasa798
Yeah thanks guys.
The only HSS i could afford would probably be a squier then. But would an Epiphone Les Paul Standard be a good choice for an single cut?
I don't really know much about Ibanez, my freind just told me his brother had one and it played pretty well.
So i guess i should either go for a Standard Strat or a Single cut then.


you can get an HSS Strat standard by the way won't cost any more (or very little).
#12
Mexican Fenders are pure gold... Not too familiar with lower end Ibanez's but I do know that their higher end stuff is beautiful.
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#13
I have had several ibbys and actually currently have an RG350DXQM. Mine has the same edge zero 2 bridge. They are awesome bridges that have been put on their Prestige line. The neck profile is very thin too. Ibby makes one of e sweetest necks. You get a lot of bang/buck going on there. You may not like the pups. Some do some don't. I prefer Ibby V5, or V7/8 pups. That said, pup swap is one of the easiest upgrades you could do. You could also get some 4 wire pups and split them for single coil use.
I've never been a Femder guy. Me personally, I'd take that RG all day long.

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The "S" (saber) series are very nice. That S520 is a solid ride. I'd suggest trying a guitar with the ZR bridge first though. Some like it some don't. It's "different".
I've had several sabers all with ZR bridges and they were all solid guitars. 500 series are very nice. I had an S520EX, specifically, and a S670PB
The SA are made in China I believe. I've never had one, but I'd sssume they're junk. I'm anti China guitars...
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#15
Okay.
So i have narrowed it down to these 2 guitars.
https://m.thomann.de/uk/fender_standard_strat_2011_mn_car.htm
https://m.thomann.de/dk/epiphone_lp_standard_plus_wr.htm

So if i get the fender i'm getting the smaller amp (Fender Champion 20)

And if i get the Les Paul i'm getting a slighty bigger one with more features (Fender Champion 40)

I like both guitars equaly so it depends on the amps.

What should i do, get the bigger amp and the slighty cheaper guitar or should i get the more expensive guitar and the smaller amp? I've picked the Fender Champion amps because the reviews were pretty good, but if you anything thats better at the same price, id be glad to know.

If you got any other guitars and amps you would recommend of the same types i would be glad to know (Like a Squier classic vibe or deluxe)
Last edited by jonasa798 at Dec 29, 2016,
#16
I never owned an Ibanez but I got a mim strat with a humbucker in the bridge and I think its a awesome guitar I often compare it to my les paul standard to ee witch one is better the les paul has a better metal sound than the strat but when it comes to the blues the Stratocaster is the ace duce
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#17
Yeah i don't really like metal so thats not a big factor.
But i believe the theres a tuner on the linked Les Paul you can pull up and it will sound lighter.
#18
jonasa798
You mean the coil split? It's a compromise, really. It gets you something closer to a real singlecoil sound but it won't do Strat tones. But it does give you more to work with.

Between a Strat and a Les Paul it can't really be about genre, just about what you like the feel of and what you like the sound of. Broadly speaking Les Pauls sound darker and sustain for longer, Strats sound brighter and have more bite (and have the in-between positions on the pickup selector which can't really be faked), and plenty of people have achieved iconic tones in just about every genre with either. The necks and bodies feel very different and it's worth trying them to see what suits you.

As for the Fender Champion, I don't know the market too well for that kind of amp but that's not a name I hear a lot in recommendations, so there may well be something better about. As for getting a bigger one, if it's just for home practice don't worry about size unless you want the extra features of the bigger one. Lower wattages will be plenty.
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#19
I bought a Ibanez SA160 a couple of weeks ago, purely as a cheap guitar with single coil pickups for some of the cleaner tones I need. considering I normally play an Epiphone '84 re-issue Explorer with EMG's, I have not been able to put it down. It's very easy to play both seated and standing and obviously depending on what you are playing through and what effects you are using, it sounds great. (I did re-string it with a set of Ernie Ball's 9's)
#20
Okay thanks K33.
I'm currently playing on a Burns Cobra i lent from my uncle, so i'm use to playing a strat type. I really like strats, but the looks of the Les Paul and those Humbuckers just sound great. I've tried both and i like both so it's kind hard to decide.

I was also thinking about a classic vibe 50s or 60s. Whats the difference, and would i get more value buying a classic vibe?
#21
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I was also thinking about a classic vibe 50s or 60s. Whats the difference, and would i get more value buying a classic vibe?
Both really good stuff for the money, as far as I'm concerned. I don't think there's much between those and the MIM Standards; the CV models have Alnico pickups whereas the MIMs have ceramics, with Alnico supposedly having a more vintage sound though I'm not sure of the details there. Besides that, the CVs are quite similar to the Standards with only a couple bits of hardware (such as the vintage style machine heads on the CV, which are a preference thing but I find they make for easy restringing) and colours really differing. That and the country of manufacture which makes no difference if the instrument you get is put together right - in my experience it generally is with either Fender or higher end Squier.

Between the '50s and '60s CV the difference is largely cosmetic. They have different pickup magnets, but that's a pretty small difference in terms of sound. The main actual difference is that the '60s has a rosewood fretboard whereas the '50s has gloss-finished maple. Some people really like the feel of glossy maple fretboards, some can't stand them. Besides that, neck profiles, hardware, sound and such are all more or less the same between the two.
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#23
depends on what kind of music you want to play. Like if your gonna play metal then you should get the ibanez, bc those are metal guitars. But for classic rock definitley a strat
#24
OP, are you anywhere near Las Cruces, New Mexico? I'll sell you my almost new MIM Strat for $400, including a nice plastic hard case. Let me know if you are interested.
#26
I'd get an Ibanez if I was looking for a hard tail or Floyd equipped guitar with humbuckers. Or If I just preferred a more modern neck.

I'd get the strat if I wanted single coils or trying to 'chase' classic strat tones. Nothing quite sounds like a strat other than a strat. Just like les pauls. If you want THAT sound you might as well get it. While Strats sound good with humbuckers (I have a MIA Big Apple Strat myself)... its a different edgey grind compared to other humbucker equipped guitars.

Versatility would go to an HSS setup from either brand. Up to you on what you are looking for in an instrument. I personally like Fender and Ibanez both a whole lot.
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#27
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Thanks dude, i think i'm gonna get the Fender Standard strat


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i couldn't agree more.

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