Poll: Is it cool to play a set and leave?
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View poll results: Is it cool to play a set and leave?
Yes, it's cool. Just because you happen to be on a bill doesn't mean you owe it to the other bands to stay and watch.
12 27%
It's only cool if you have a legit excuse. E.g., prior obligation, work, emergency.
26 59%
No, I would never do that, but I don't care if other people stay or leave.
2 5%
No, if you show up just to play your set and leave you are a scumbag.
4 9%
Voters: 44.
#1
Not that anyone here would actually know what it is like to play a gig!

But, no, seriously, I've been in both situations. Some gigs, especially starting out bands, no one shows up except for the bands themselves. It feels kinda crappy to show up, play an opening set, and then pack up and leave right after. But sometimes you don't feel it is worth it to stay another two or three hours to see bands you may not enjoy, especially if you're bummed about no one showing up.

Do you stay out or respect, even though you may not enjoy the bands playing the rest of the night?

Do you think it is wrong for other bands to pack up and leave?

I've experienced this a lot, as a fledgling local math rock band doesn't garner much support in the metro Atlanta area. Or maybe we just suck.

I can't deny, I've done it often. And it doesn't feel good to go on later in the night and have less of a crowd as the opening band had.
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#2
You missed out "no, it's stupid; it's a networking opportunity that could help your shit band play more gigs"
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#3
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You missed out "no, it's stupid; it's a networking opportunity that could help your shit band play more gigs"

Yea, that's a valid reason to stay, but not really related to the ethical dilemma of it. 
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#4
it's cool only if you're heading out to buy a new amp

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#5
Dick move.


You dont want to alienate the people you play with.
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#6
c3powil Moral, not ethical.

But it's a dick move. If they suffered through your set, you suffer through theirs. And then both of you tell the promoter that a polka metal band and a disco metal band just don't belong on the same lineup.
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#8
slapsymcdougal 
True. 

What about in the event that you load in, watch a few bands, play a set, and the headliner shows up for load in mid way through the night. Would the openers be required to stay for the headliner? Even if the headliner missed their sets? Is a healiner playing at 9pm required to show up at 4:30 for load in and watch every opener before their set?
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#9
Screw 'em. Play your gig and leave if that's what you want. You did what you came for. 
#10
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Screw 'em. Play your gig and leave if that's what you want. You did what you came for. 


Ya! Who cares if nobody wants to play with you and youre literally the shit talk of the scene!?
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#11
If you have hugely important matters to attend to then it's ok to leave early. Otherwise you are morally obliged to stay and get drunk even if all the other bands are shit. 
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#12
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If you have hugely important matters to attend to then it's ok to leave early. Otherwise you are morally obliged to stay and get drunk even if all the other bands are shit. 

If they're all shit, then getting drunk is in fact the smart thing to do.
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#13
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Ya! Who cares if nobody wants to play with you and youre literally the shit talk of the scene!?


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#14
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#18
If the music sucks, the bar sucks, and nobody hangs out there ever... why bother playing that dump at all.  Get out... Or up your game and get a real gig where you attract real music fans, not just other shit bands that play their own shit music. Way too many musicians playing music that no one wants to hear.  Hanging around doesn't do them any favors.

On the other hand, if the band is rocking the house, the chicks are hot and plentiful, and the drinks are generous, you will want to stay. Wild horses could not drag you away from this awesome experience. I am guessing by your question that this is not your typical experience.
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#20
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You missed out "no, it's stupid; it's a networking opportunity that could help your shit band play more gigs"


Pretty much this. If you show support for other artists they'll return the favor, especially if you meet them in person.
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#21
Being successful as a gigging originals band is like 95% about networking with promoters and other bands, anyone in the industry and creating friendly relationships with listeners who become fans. If you have to leave you have to leave, but consider your goals as a band. I made friends with a guy from another band back in the day who turned out to be a scout for roadrunner records, he got us a showcase with them via passing our demo on and regular contact with them, of course they were simply waiting for us to be largely successful on our own backs before they would commit anything other than showing interest.

On the back of that we had a guitar endorsement offer from Vigier, following that came others, we got offered tours and labels came chasing and we were living it up, loving life (but still not making any real money, at all). If we had just fucked off after playing our set at every gig not only would we have had no fans but we would have really struggled to move anywhere with our careers.

Music business is a fickle fickle thing, it's not about how good you are to a large extent it's about social networking and doing whatever you can to create fans of your music, real fans who will support you.. And when you do that you probably still won't make any money, but you won't be playing opening slots in empty venues anymore.
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#22
You should stay, if only for the networking opportunities. If you have a massively long journey home and don't want to stay at least show some courtesy, go talk to the other bands and apologise that you can't stay.
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#23
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#24
The ONLY reasons I would hang around while following bands play is if an insanely hot female wanted me to, or if there's money involved (battle of the bands, etc.).  I just don't want to guard my gear any longer than I have to, whether it's still backstage or out in the truck/bus. Or maybe if the following band has friends in it. These kinds of gigs rarely if ever pay anything and there's almost never any real "networking" to be done at them. 

I really don't consider it a dick move; it's mostly standard operating procedure. The only ones who have a reason to grumble about it are the owners of the venue, since they don't sell as many drinks once we're gone (and our crowd with us).
#25
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#26
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#27
I would stay for a while, but depending on where we are playing on the bill, might only stay for half an hour or so. As long as people don't make a big fuss when they leave when we're playing, I don't mind
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#28
Stay unless there are extenuating circumstances.

And anyway, if you leave, how are you going to get paid at the end of the night?
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#29
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The ONLY reasons I would hang around while following bands play is if an insanely hot female wanted me to, or if there's money involved (battle of the bands, etc.).  I just don't want to guard my gear any longer than I have to, whether it's still backstage or out in the truck/bus. Or maybe if the following band has friends in it. These kinds of gigs rarely if ever pay anything and there's almost never any real "networking" to be done at them. 

I really don't consider it a dick move; it's mostly standard operating procedure. The only ones who have a reason to grumble about it are the owners of the venue, since they don't sell as many drinks once we're gone (and our crowd with us).

I have to agree I had some good friends that were in a band that were invited to play a small festival/hog roast on private property out in the country, they played early while it was still daylight but due to the large amount of bands that were playing they had to load their gear into their vehicle after their set. They were able too pull up close to the stage area to load in but after loading out they had to move out into the big field where everyone else was parked. When loading the equipment into the van after the set they were in plain view of several hundred people.They had a cargo van with no side windows and the rear windows were painted black they had sheet hanging up behind the front seats to block anyone from viewing from the front. 

The festival lasted well into the night and although they did not stay for the entire show when they went to leave around 11:30 pm they discovered that the van had been broken into and cleaned out. In the van they had all of amps, the drum kit, and two guitars. The other guitars a Marshall head and bass had been placed into the trunks of the owners vehicles. That they were devastated goes without saying, a Peavey 6505 halfstack and a Marshall 4x12, as well as a Hartke bass rig with a 1X18 and 4X10 cabinets and a nice set of Tama drums with all the stands and symbols were all gone never to be seen again.
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#30
Depends for me. If I'm playing with bands I know/like I'll sometimes stay and if I'm headlining I'm fine to watch other bands, but, I tend to feel absolutely shattered after gigs and quite often if I'm supporting a band I like to head off sharp.
#31
2nd poll option.

I don't perform but see a lot of small acts where sometimes at least half the audience are the other bands. People bailing is lame unless they legit need to go early because they have got a long drive home+need to be awake early the next day or need to get on the road quick to make their next venue due to flights/trains/hotels/etc (flights are usually the reason I see international bands head off early, but they'll try and stick around for a few acts at least and prob just miss the headliner). 

sticking around keeps you on good terms with the promoters and other bands and makes getting future shows easier (especially when you get a "scene"  where everyone kinda knows each other)
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#32
Most local music scenes are pretty small circles. Everybody seems to know one another over the years and through various band incarnations. If you keep taking off right after you play, then the chances of getting invited back by any of the other bands will drop dramatically.  
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#33
totally depends on the situation. if you are on a bill with a band that you know well and have seen many times then not really an obligation. it also depends on where your gear has to go and how easy it will to watch it. networking is important however being able to keep track of your gear is the most important thing. can't play shows with no gear. personally i've found that networking is often best done on nights you aren't playing. stopping in to see bands and getting to know  new venues lets you be seen with less issues. if possible then hang for a bt at least if not then no shame in leaving just be cool and say your good byes as much as you can.