#1
My wife bought me an Ibanez GRG7221, and as we all know they are not the best. 

Obviously I cannot sell it or leave it to gather dust as it was a gift, so I thought I would make a project of it. My plan is to gut it completely and just keep the body. (possibly replacing the neck over time.)

I am looking at getting a Liquifire and Crunch Lab set for this guitar because I know these pickups well and think they are great, but I am struggling to find a suitable and good quality bridge and set of locking machine heads for it. 

I would also like to replace the pots and electrics as well, my only issue is ensuring that the parts I get are of a good quality and that they are the right size as well. 

Does anyone here know the best places to get these parts?

Thanks in advance.
#2
sell it on ebay and buy yourself a 7 string that you like (make shure it has ibanez stamped on it and is the same color as the one u got now) - im thinking if she cant recognize the the quality of the guitar that she baught than she cant ... well recognize the quality of the one u buy for yourself. (just troling, but if u decide to sell it im right there for you buddy).

p.s. best places for electronics is ebay as its cheaper than any electronics shop , and not to mention guitar/music shops.
if ur woried about the build quality than go electronics shops , and tell the man what u need it for and how ul use is (if they dont play guitar then dont expect them to understand what exactly u need, prepare yourself ), oh and while there keep in mind that the money dictates the quality, and iff u go to music shops they pretty mutch rob you for the components u need - just cause its labeld for music.

sory about bad eng.
#3
Not sure how much work you're willing to put into it. But you could get a router and a Hipshot bridge (AKA - the best bridge).

I'd also recommend Hipshot Locking Open Gear tuners. They're amazing, and not too expensive.

You could always teach yourself how to do re-frets, and just use it as a project to turn the neck into something good. Get some SS Frets in there. Cut your own nut etc etc.

Copper Foil the cavities. gut the wiring, and do it all with high quality stuff. You get the idea.
#4
alistairdunne1994 Cheers for the advice. I have had a look on the Hipshot and the stuff looks good. Is sizing going to be an issue with the tuners? I have a really good tech, so if I can get decent stuff like frets and all new wiring and get my tech do do it all for me. 

So basically I am willing to put a lot into it, but not the actual labour. 
#6
Quote by aspain1984
I have had a look at the fixed bridges for it and have seen that there are two on the Hipshot website.  
7 String Fixed .175 Guitar Bridge

7 String Fixed .125 Guitar Bridge

Does anyone know by any chance, which one would fit my GRG7221? Everywhere I look it just says "Fixed Bridge" 

Neither will fit your guitar straight off. Some serious modification will be needed (wood mods)

Also. A refret done by a tech will cost a small fortune, considering the guitar. Probably looking at MINIMUM $150
#7
Quote by aspain1984
I have had a look at the fixed bridges for it and have seen that there are two on the Hipshot website.  
7 String Fixed .175 Guitar Bridge
 
7 String Fixed .125 Guitar Bridge

Does anyone know by any chance, which one would fit my GRG7221? Everywhere I look it just says "Fixed Bridge" 
If you read the product descriptions you have linked to, they suggest that the 175 is for angled necks and the 125 is for flat necks. The best way of picking a replacement is to measure the dimensions of the existing bridge - height, width, string spacing - and find one that matches.
I honestly don't see what 'serious wood mods' would be required to replace one fixed, string through bridge with another, but I'm always happy to be corrected.
Most tuners will swap straight out. At worst there's a post size issue, but a decent tech will be able to deal with that. Again, measure and check dimensions to be certain.
As kristbubnjar says, electronics are electronics and you can spend as much or as little as you want on them but I see little point in swapping out the stock pots with the cheapest stuff you can find on ebay. It sounds like you just want to 'know' you've got quality parts so you may as well just get them from a specialist guitar parts supplier like Stewmac (or Guitar Fetish if you want to go downmarket a little) and you can be confident you've chosen the right components for the job. Besides, if you've already spent 400 bucks on pickups, bridge and tuners, and a fair wedge on getting a tech to fit them for you, a couple of tens on pots, caps and switches is neither here nor there.
#8
Quote by von Layzonfon
If you read the product descriptions you have linked to,  they suggest that the 175 is for angled necks and the 125 is for flat necks. The best way of picking a replacement is to measure the dimensions of the existing bridge - height, width, string spacing - and find one that matches. I honestly don't see what 'serious wood mods' would be required to replace one fixed, string through bridge with another, but I'm always happy to be corrected. Most tuners will swap straight out. At worst there's a post size issue, but a decent tech will be able to deal with that. Again, measure and check dimensions to be certain. As kristbubnjar says, electronics are electronics and you can spend as much or as little as you want on them but I see little point in swapping out the stock pots with the cheapest stuff you can find on ebay.  It sounds like you just want to 'know' you've got quality parts so you may as well just get them from a specialist guitar parts supplier like Stewmac (or Guitar Fetish if you want to go downmarket a little) and you can be confident you've chosen the right components for the job. Besides, if you've already spent 400 bucks on pickups, bridge and tuners, and a fair wedge on getting a tech to fit them for you, a couple of tens on pots, caps and switches is neither here nor there.

A hipshot bridge sits in a shallow rout of its outline. It doesn't just get bolted flat to the body
#9
von Layzonfon I agree, its pointless changing stuff for the sake of changing it, and if I am going to do it, its need to be done properly. 

Money is not really an issue with this. Obviously the better idea would be a straight replacement but as it was a gift from my wife, there is sentimental value to it, so I am happy to spend well over its worth on getting it gig worthy.

I am lucky that my friend if my tech so I get a very good discount on work needed. So a re fret would set me back something more like £50. Which is lucky as I know how expensive they can be. 

So with that in mind, its just getting all the parts upgraded that need to be upgraded. I am not looking for cheap Ebay items. More quality parts on enhance to guitar.
#10
Quote by alistairdunne1994
A hipshot bridge sits in a shallow rout of its outline. It doesn't just get bolted flat to the body
You see, I learned something.
Now of course, I want to know why you should go to that bother if it would work just fine sat flat on the top of the guitar. But I don't think that's a discussion to have here.

Quote by aspain1984
Money is not really an issue with this. Obviously the better idea would be a straight replacement but as it was a gift from my wife, there is sentimental value to it, so I am happy to spend well over its worth on getting it gig worthy.
Which is what I thought and only proper.
I'm such a tool for sending back that Line 6 Spider II Combo my significant other got me for Christmas and swapping it for something I can actually use.

EDIT:

Ooh. Nice! And might (dunno with the Gio series, you'd have to check) be a straight swap.
https://store.hipshotproducts.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=412
Last edited by von Layzonfon at Mar 17, 2017,
#11
Quote by von Layzonfon
You see, I learned something. Now of course, I want to know why you should go to that bother if it would work just fine sat flat on the top of the guitar.  But I don't think that's a discussion to have here.

I'd imagine it has something to do with the action. As it doesn't go 'up and down' like a tune-o-matic bridge would. So, the luthier will insert it into the body at a level which will be parallel, in effect, to the nut. Alternatively, you could 'shim' the neck, I guess.
#12
Quote by alistairdunne1994
I'd imagine it has something to do with the action. As it doesn't go 'up and down' like a tune-o-matic bridge would. So, the luthier will insert it into the body at a level which will be parallel, in effect, to the nut. Alternatively, you could 'shim' the neck, I guess.

OK. I was willing to go with you on this one, but now you're "imagining" things and making statements that aren't true so without trying to be too rude, I'm starting to think you don't really know what you're talking about.

Here's a clip from the hipshot schematics, downloadable from the very pages that aspain1984 linked to, that clearly shows the string height adjustment. Even in the photographs you can see the grub screws in the saddles that are used to do this - as they are in most bridges of this type.



I've also done a bit of googling and I've not seen many images of that style of bridge recessed into the body (including the ones on Hispshot's product page itself). I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, and that you haven't seen it, particularly if you have a carved top that isn't flat, I'm just saying that it doesn't appear to be the norm, or even necessary on a flat topped guitar.

By the way, if that guitar on your profile page is yours it's lovely (actually it's lovely even if it isn't yours) and I can see where you've got your thinking from. But if it is yours and it's one of these then owning a two grand guitar and not knowing how the bridge works is a little amusing. Mind you, I'm sure plenty of Ferrari owners couldn't do an oil change, so who am I to judge?

Bottom line: I'm sure that bridge would be fine for the OP, wthout havng to carve up his guitar, but to my mind the Ibby HM looks more comfortable, more sexy (personal opinion) and will probably swap straight out. But always check your measurements when buying replacement parts - especially expensive ones.

PEACE.
#13
I'm 'imagining' the reason for the recession. They may not do it on all guitars, but they do it on some at least. As the Hipshot Bridge on my Mayones is seated in a tiny 1/2mm route into the body.

Also. You failed on your attempt to not be rude.
#14
Hi guys,

I have found these images online. It looks like the bridge is just on top of the body.




#16
alistairdunne1994 Sorry I thought we were still talking about a replacement bridge for my Ibanez GRG7221. Thats why I put the images of it up.

So are you saying that the bridges from Hipshot bridge will not be the same size as the one currently on the GRG7221?
#17
Quote by aspain1984
alistairdunne1994 Sorry I thought we were still talking about a replacement bridge for my Ibanez GRG7221. Thats why I put the images of it up.

So are you saying that the bridges from Hipshot bridge will not be the same size as the one currently on the GRG7221?


No. At least not the Hipshot I am thinking of (and the one shown in the diagram above).

They may have a direct replacement for an Ibanez. But I don't think the Hipshot would be a 'drop in' replacement. Hence why I've said that it wouldn't simply be a direct bolt on job, as far as I'm aware.
#18
alistairdunne1994 Ok cool thanks for the heads up. I have looked at the ibanez replacement parts but was unsure of the sizes being the same throughout all the different series of 7 string guitars. 
#19
Quote by aspain1984
alistairdunne1994 Ok cool thanks for the heads up. I have looked at the ibanez replacement parts but was unsure of the sizes being the same throughout all the different series of 7 string guitars. 


A simpler solution would be to just buy saddle replacements?
#21
Quote by aspain1984
alistairdunne1994 Speaking as a real noob. Is it mainly the saddles that would make a difference if changed?

My personal opinion is that it's the saddles that make the 'tonal' impact (as well as tuning, intonation, string height etc). While the bridge 'housing' is more preference based.
#23
It can't be stated with any certainty whether any particular bridge will make a reasonable replacement or not without knowing the key dimensions of both bridges. The important measurements would be the string spacing and the saddle height. And with a string-through that the holes in the body and the holes in the base plate of the bridge are going to allow you to place the bridge at the proper scale length. As long as these match then just about anything else can be catered for - although it would be nice to be sure you're not leaving any old mounting screw holes exposed. It only takes a couple of minutes to take the required measurements and there are nearly always detailed plans of replacement parts available.

I am 99% certain that the reason the bridge on a Mayones is ever so slightly recessed is because the top of the guitar is curved and the bridge needs a flat surface to sit on. This would not be necessary for a flat topped guitar like the RG.

Speaking from personal experience, if you tend to do a lot of palm muting, having a nice smooth bridge housing makes your guitar feel so much better. As does being able to adjust the saddles to the correct height without having the little grub screws sticking out of the top. If it were me, and money were no object, I'd go with the Schaller Hannes all day long. But that definitely requires a bit of invasive installation.

aspain1984, I'm sorry for getting all argumentative on your thread. My best advice to you woud be, if you like the look of something, check the measurements and if it's looking hopeful ask your tech friend, who I'm sure will be able to let you know if it can be done or not. Or maybe just cut to the chase and go straight to your tech friend.

Best of luck with your upgrades.