#1
Title says it all. Are there any tonal benefits of having a combo of a particular amp with a particular speaker over the head version of that same amp with a cabinet that is the same speaker.

Forget portability, versatility, open/closed back. Just purely identical setups with head+cab/combo being the only variable.
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#3
My thinking was that in a combo theres all those metallic components jammed in the same space that a cabinet would just have wood. But I also dont know acoustically if that makes a difference or if its just signal -> speaker, and thats it.
Cort KX1Q w/ Seymour Duncan Jazz/JB
Fender Standard Stratocaster Plus Top - Aged Cherry Burst with Maple Fingerboard
Epiphone Les Paul Standard Florentine PRO Hollowbody - Faded Cherry Sunburst w/ Seymour Duncan SH-55's

Mesa Boogie Mark V 35 Head
Orange PPC112 - 60W 1x12" V30 Cabinet
Two Notes Torpedo Live
Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2 Plus Universal Power Supply

Boss TU3 Chromatic Tuner -> Whirlwind Red Box Compressor -> Hardwire CM-2 Tube Overdrive -> MXR Custom Badass '78 Distortion -> Vick Audio '73 Ram's Head -> loop -> Whirlwind Orange Box Phaser -> Mooer Eleclady Flanger -> Strymon Flint Tremolo and Reverb -> MXR Carbon Copy Delay -> MXR 10-Band EQ
#4
Typically combo speakers are smaller then there head\cab counterpart. But all things being equal they should be the same. 
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#5
Quote by AcousticMirror
no


yeah pretty much

well maybe the combo might be slightly more microphonic. maybe some people might like that.
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#6
Combos are more likely to have tube rattle with speaker right there inside , My Peavey Classic 30 seems to tube rattle with some volume at times
#7
Fumble fingers FYI, JJ has a double mica 6L6 (not sure if that's what the Classic 30 takes) and maybe others specifically for combo amps.  I have them in my Mesa Roadster.  Eurotubes sells them.  
Guitars:
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Jackson DKMGT Dinky (EMG 81/85)
ESP E-II Eclipse Custom (JB/'59)
ESP LTD EC-1001FR (EMG 81/60)
Fender MIM Strat

Amps:
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster 212
Laney IronHeart IRT-Studio
Peavey Vypyr 30
Peavey ReValver Amp Sims
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#8
Quote by thundermonty
Title says it all. Are there any tonal benefits of having a combo of a particular amp with a particular speaker over the head version of that same amp with a cabinet that is the same speaker.

Forget portability, versatility, open/closed back. Just purely identical setups with head+cab/combo being the only variable.



How many combos do you see that are closed back?
If they were *really* otherwise identical, what would you expect would be the tonal difference?
Last edited by dspellman at Apr 2, 2017,
#9
dspellman 

Like I said, I didnt know if having the amp's components in the same enclosure as the speaker would make a difference, all else constant. 
Cort KX1Q w/ Seymour Duncan Jazz/JB
Fender Standard Stratocaster Plus Top - Aged Cherry Burst with Maple Fingerboard
Epiphone Les Paul Standard Florentine PRO Hollowbody - Faded Cherry Sunburst w/ Seymour Duncan SH-55's

Mesa Boogie Mark V 35 Head
Orange PPC112 - 60W 1x12" V30 Cabinet
Two Notes Torpedo Live
Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2 Plus Universal Power Supply

Boss TU3 Chromatic Tuner -> Whirlwind Red Box Compressor -> Hardwire CM-2 Tube Overdrive -> MXR Custom Badass '78 Distortion -> Vick Audio '73 Ram's Head -> loop -> Whirlwind Orange Box Phaser -> Mooer Eleclady Flanger -> Strymon Flint Tremolo and Reverb -> MXR Carbon Copy Delay -> MXR 10-Band EQ
#10
dspellman

My Mesa Roadster 212 and Peavey 5150 212 are/were closed back for the cab but open for the head part.
Guitars:
Jackson Kelly KE3 - MIJ (Distortion/Jazz)
Jackson DKMGT Dinky (EMG 81/85)
ESP E-II Eclipse Custom (JB/'59)
ESP LTD EC-1001FR (EMG 81/60)
Fender MIM Strat

Amps:
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster 212
Laney IronHeart IRT-Studio
Peavey Vypyr 30
Peavey ReValver Amp Sims
TOOOO many T.C. Electronic Pedals. . .
#11
Closed back has tighter low end.
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#12
Quote by metalmingee
dspellman

My Mesa Roadster 212 and Peavey 5150 212 are/were closed back for the cab but open for the head part.


Yup, there are a few out there.