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#3
The ad says mahogany body. It says nothing about a maple top. If it doesnt have a big maple top i wouldnt even bother. I mean., its a nice guitar, but its not a les paul right? On the other hand it is a fair price and a nice guitar in its own right.
Last edited by geo-rage at Apr 7, 2017,
#4
geo-rage it does not have the maple top. I don't believe you get that until the higher prices models. However if I'm not mistaken that helps the epiphone weigh much less. A Gibson Les Paul comes in at around 10lbs, these come in around 8 if I remember.
#5
Well im not saying that its a bad guitar or that it doesnt sound better, but the maple top is important to the les paul equation. That is all. I wouldnt call a veneer a top either or luan mahogamy...it seems like a cheap price. One you could get used for les. The hardware is standard. Those tuners are nice but they only have one screw and thats weak. But they are fine tuners, i have a set, they are good. I cant go on. If new is important and gold top is important then good, if not i suggest go used.
Last edited by geo-rage at Apr 7, 2017,
#6
If you want the maple top, you need to get the Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top. That has the 3/4" Maple cap on it like geo was talking about and, yes, it does cost a bit more money.
#7
The Epi Standard is a decent LP but not "the best LP for the money". I agree on the Epi Plus Top or if you can swing it with a little more money, the 1960 Tribute Plus. Look at the 349 reviewers on the link you posted who gave the guitar a 4.8 out of five stars. Can't get much better than that.
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Last edited by Rickholly74 at Apr 8, 2017,
#8
For best Les Paul for the price in the USA you need to look at Agile Guitars from Rondo Music.  I'd take one of those over an Epiphone any day.  
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#9
 
Quote by geo-rage The ad says mahogany body. It says nothing about a maple top. If it doesnt have a big maple top i wouldnt even bother. I mean., its a nice guitar, but its not a les paul right? On the other hand it is a fair price and a nice guitar in its own right.

 
So all the original LPC's from the 1950's that all had mahogany tops are not true les pauls then.

dat ignorance.
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And well yes, I'll enjoy the carpal tunnel and tendonitis, because trying to get one is clearly smarter than any word you have spoken thus far.
#10
Yea I'd have to agree with metalmingee,  Dollar for dollar you really cant beat the Agile's.   Only problem you run into with Rondo music is selection,  and this is due to the way they order their guitars,  and the reason they're such a good price.  Orders are placed every 4 months or so and what's on the site is all there is till the next order, so if you come in late pickings are pretty slim,  You can contact them and they will let you know when the next shipment is due to arrive,  But a lot of people have already figured it out and the cool ones get snatched up pretty quick, leaving the oddball stuff, 
http://www.rondomusic.com/al3100mcccsbfminih.html
#11
Quote by jenjenmccall81
I got a question and I ask because I want to know if this guitar is the best Les Paul for the money becaause I dont have 2,000 lol Link below 
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/epiphone-les-paul-standard-plain-top-electric-guitar/517413000002000?pfm=home_page.rr1|MultiItemPersonalizedViewCP


no, it is not - this is the best bang for your bucks...

#12
Quote by Arrawin
If you want the maple top, you need to get the Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top. That has the 3/4" Maple cap on it like geo was talking about and, yes, it does cost a bit more money.


No, the 'PlusTop' just has a nice veneer - no real maple cap
#13
Quote by geo-rage
Well im not saying that its a bad guitar or that it doesnt sound better, but the maple top is important to the les paul equation. That is all. I wouldnt call a veneer a top either or luan mahogamy...it  seems like a cheap price. One you could get used for les. The hardware is standard. Those tuners are nice but they only have one screw and thats weak. But they are fine tuners, i have a set, they are good. I cant go on. If new is important and gold top is important then good, if not i suggest go used.

That's why the customs don't have maple caps  
#15
I have the Epi Standard PRO plus top. It's a fantastic guitar. I wouldn't worry about whether the top is veneer or solid. Anyone that thinks they can hear a difference is delusional. The biggest difference as you move up in price is the pick-ups.
#16
There's at least a dozen of different comparison videos on YouTube showing a side-by-side look at Gibson and Epiphone Les Pauls. Look 'em up and watch them. As to your basic question, the answer is absolutely, totally, positively YES! That is the best Les Paul you can get for $419. Gear snobs will blather on about the incredibly subtle differences in tone between a Les Paul with a maple top that's 14 mm thick, compared to one that's 16 mm thick. Or the difference between one that has a top made from aged sugar maple versus one made from a Norway maple. The biggest real difference in Epiphone versions of Gibson products is that sometimes there are very subtle differences within any given Epiphone production run. Some of those differences are almost enough that a normal person could even detect them. 

Bottom line, for $419 you might be able to find other Les Paul style guitars that are just as good, but you'll probably never find anything better for that price. 
#17
I agree with Gerdner. I bought my Epi 1960 Tribute Plus to use on gigs rather than taking out my 1973 Gibson Les Paul which I had owned since 1975. I was so impressed with the Epi Tribute that I sold my Gibson (to a friend who always loved it) and bought a new 24 track digital workstation and a 2nd Epi LP Tribute in another finish. The 2nd Tribute plays just as great as my first one. Even after that I had plenty of money left over. I have been at this too long to be impressed by the names on the headstock. I also agree with buying an Agile. I bought my Agile 2000 about two years ago and it's a great guitar. With a hard shell case and shipping my total bill was $316. While I do love my Epi Trbutes I don't believe you can find any Les Paul style guitar that looks, plays and sounds as good as the Agile AL series LP that costs under $300.
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#18
For the record, I play a second-hand Epiphone Dot Studio. I got it for almost nothing. I wish I had separate volume and tone controls for each pickup, but other than that, there's minimal difference between my Dot and a Gibson ES-335. Yes, the Gibson is "better". But not four or five times better. I've played other ES-335 style guitars in music stores, I tested several on the trip where I ended up with my Dot. I could tell that there were differences, but nothing that made any of them better than any other. 

I wish more people knew the difference between "different" and "better". 
#20
Epi LP Tribute Plus has been on my wish list for a long time, yeah, it sounds like a killer guitar...
#21
I already have an Epiphone but after reading all this praise about the Agile I am sure going to take a real close look at them. I need a second guitar and that may be just the ticket.
#22
All snobbery aside. There are several good guitars that are l.p. clones in that price range. We can recommend everything under the sun, but you need to get your hands on several and get the best one. There are factory flaws as well as factory freaks where the stars align and you have a unparalleled axe for a super low price.
#23
I have an Agile 3200 and I like it very much, they are out of those but they have some 3100's
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If you wind up ordering one buy a hardshell case too, you don't want it shipping without one.
Last edited by 33db at Apr 8, 2017,
#24
Quote by geo-rage
Well im not saying that its a bad guitar or that it doesnt sound better, but the maple top is important to the les paul equation. That is all. I wouldnt call a veneer a top either or luan mahogamy...it  seems like a cheap price. One you could get used for les. The hardware is standard. Those tuners are nice but they only have one screw and thats weak. But they are fine tuners, i have a set, they are good. I cant go on. If new is important and gold top is important then good, if not i suggest go used.

Do you have any clue about how much a block of maple costs compared to a block of mahogany? As for veneer, that's a slice of wood the thickness of a piece of paper that is purely for looks. A highly figured wood veneer costs a couple of bucks, but guitar makers add several hundred to the cost of a guitar because they've added a figured veneer. 

Here are some facts about the wood guitars are made out of. 

;t=420s
#25
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
 

 
So all the original LPC's from the 1950's that all had mahogany tops are not true les pauls then.

dat ignorance.
guess not. Roll your eyes at the other snobs.
#26
Arrawin....Buying an Agile as a 2nd guitar is a very good and cost effective idea. I got my Agile because of the reviews I read here on this forum. I keep reading  so many great reviews that I decided that it was worth a try. It turned out to be even better than described. I also agree with 33db about buying a case. For $60 I got a very nice case for mine and the guitar shipped in it. Frankly if it hadn't been for this forum I would never have heard about Agile. When I do gigs with my Agile I often have other musicians I know ask "What is that?". I only know one other player who knows about Agile and he owns three. Agile is a well kept secret.
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#28
Quote by geo-rage
guess not. Roll your eyes at the other snobs.

Pray tell, what 'other snobs?' You're the one saying that a les paul without a maple top is not a true les paul.

It's ironic because the LPC predates the LP Standard. So actually the opposite is more correct.
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And well yes, I'll enjoy the carpal tunnel and tendonitis, because trying to get one is clearly smarter than any word you have spoken thus far.
#29
Did somebody call for an LP snob?


My cork senses started tingling...
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#30
Epiphones are really that good huh? Seems like if your on a budget then its a one horse race. Not sure I'm comfortable with that.
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#31
Quote by SanDune65
Epiphones are really that good huh? Seems like if your on a budget then its a one horse race. Not sure I'm comfortable with that.

Epiphones are really that good. Yes. It's true. But it isn't a "one horse race". Several other brands are also equally good in that price range. 

It's 2017, not 1967. What makes a guitar (or any manufactured thing) really good is design and accuracy of dimensions of parts. If the parts are the right size and shape, then they'll fit together right. The other consideration is the materials used. Nowadays, the parts are all made of similar materials, and are cut out by CNC robotic production machines. Those robots always cut out parts with extreme precision. And it doesn't matter if the robot lives in Nashville, Fullerton, Korea, or China. Robots do accurate work. 

I'm old enough to remember when the skill of the craftsman making an instrument mattered. Those days are long gone. People need to stop living in the past. 
#32
There is a lot of competition in that price range for a LP clone. Some good, some bad. Epiphone is typically a fair bet, however there are turds. Its always advisable to have it in hand and inspect it closely before deciding on what one to buy. Even different guitars in the same line can vary on fit and finish. 
#34
SanDune65 I'm a tool maker, robots are not as accurate as you imagine. They are only as accurate as the operator. When working in materials like wood and plastics it doesn't take much to grab a work piece with a tool and shift it. Typically you'll find the more reputable brands in established factories will have a better average product, that doesn't mean that there are not clearly better, and clearly worse options coming from there. Hand fitted and hand assembled is awesome, I love work done by hand, but it also comes with imperfections and variations to some that's a drag, to others it offers a uniqueness to your product. 

 My relatively inexpensive ibanez s470 is leagues beyond other S series I've seen over the years. I went through 2 stores and 6 guitars to find it. I urge anyone looking for something like a guitar to go put as many as you can in your hand. Even if you just picked up a guitar for the first time. Feel it, rub around, feel the frets and the neck some frets will not have good finish on the edge and will catch your hand, or even not be square. Look at the body for flaws or cracks in the finish. Anywhere you touch or anything you interact with, make sure its positive and solid. 
#35
Quote by geo-rage
The ad says mahogany body. It says nothing about a maple top. If it doesnt have a big maple top i wouldnt even bother. I mean., its a nice guitar, but its not a les paul right? On the other hand it is a fair price and a nice guitar in its own right.


I have three mid-50's Gibson Les Paul Customs. Originals, not re-issues. Black. They don't have big maple tops. 

They ARE Les Pauls by any definition, and they, NOT the Standards (including the bursts) were considered the top of the line throughout the initial run of Les Paul guitars. 

I'm not sure where you get your information or your biases. 
#36
Quote by jenjenmccall81
I got a question and I ask because I want to know if this guitar is the best Les Paul for the money becaause I dont have 2,000 lol Link below 
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/epiphone-les-paul-standard-plain-top-electric-guitar/517413000002000?pfm=home_page.rr1|MultiItemPersonalizedViewCP



My personal favorite for the best "Les Paul" for the money is the Agile AL-3200 MCC. For about $500, this is a neck-through construction guitar (can't get that from Gibson or Epiphone) with a five-piece maple/walnut neck, a smooth, contoured neck heel like the Axcess, a tummy cut, real mahogany body sices, multi-layer binding on the headstock and body, single-layer binding on the fretboard, an ebony fretboard with real MOP inlays, jumbo frets, a real full-thickness maple cap, a Tusq nut, Grover tuners, string saver saddles in a graphtech bridge, AlnicoV pickups, 13.7" radius fretboard and your choice of slim or standard neck profile. You can't come near those specs with a $2K Gibson Traditional or anything at all from Epiphone at any price. 
#37
Quote by dspellman
My personal favorite for the best "Les Paul" for the money is the Agile AL-3200 MCC. For about $500, this is a neck-through construction guitar (can't get that from Gibson or Epiphone) with a five-piece maple/walnut neck, a smooth, contoured neck heel like the Axcess, a tummy cut, real mahogany body sices, multi-layer binding on the headstock and body, single-layer binding on the fretboard, an ebony fretboard with real MOP inlays, jumbo frets, a real full-thickness maple cap, a Tusq nut, Grover tuners, string saver saddles in a graphtech bridge, AlnicoV pickups, 13.7" radius fretboard and your choice of slim or standard neck profile. You can't come near those specs with a $2K Gibson Traditional or anything at all from Epiphone at any price. 


I had a cheap Harmony LP copy as my second guitar and liked the feel of it it is the only LP style guitar I ever had. I have always wanted Gibson Les Paul but I can't afford nor would I want to pay the high prices they charge for them. When I am able to afford one I am going to get an Agile-3200 MCC I have heard too many good reviews of them (and Agile in genreal) not to give one a try.
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#38
I could forsee a 3200 in my future, I could even see that it is possibly rootbeer flame.
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#39
Quote by gerdner
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Here are some facts about the wood guitars are made out of. 

;t=420s


(Alternate) Facts from a self proclaimed internet specialist who thinks he knows something  

What a waste of time.......
#40
Quote by paruwi
(Alternate) Facts from a self proclaimed internet specialist who thinks he knows something

What a waste of time.......


OK, troll boy. List a single fact contained in that video that you can prove is wrong. 
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