#1
So basically, I'm in the market for something that isnt for metal and uses EMGs, and is a bit more versatile. I really like the sounds of some of these Semi-Hollow guitars! I've started writing more delicate and moody music so they seem like a pretty good fit. I've eyed up about 4 (all Epiphones lol):

-Dot
-Casino
-Sheraton (ideally a Pro II)
-Riviera

In an ideal world, I'd go for a Sheraton or Riviera, but budget for now may only allow a Dot as I can usually find good deals on em...or should I go with my gut and save for the sheraton/riviera? 

My usual go to place is youtube for comparisons and get an idea of what one is capable of, but for those there doesnt seem to be much comparative or informative content up from what I could see. Anyone with experience with these able to give me the pros and cons of each, or maybe  recommend me something else that sounds just as good? (and eve comes in a nice RED finish maybe??)    lol
#2
Only had the Dot and an older Korean Sheraton.
For me the Dot sounded darker and a little lifeless.I also didn't really like the feel of the neck.You might like it though so you need to try one.
The Sheraton imo had the nicer feeling neck.It also had a slightly brighter and more defined tone.
The Casino is a different beast.I've never played one but it is not a "semi hollow".It has a full hollow body and P90's.It will definitely sound different.It may also be more prone to feedback.

Sell your car and get an ES335
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#3
I had a '98 Korean Shertaton that I only recently sold to cut down my collection. It was an excellent feeling guitar, but I did a full rework of the harness due to some common issues with a guitar of that age. The Casino is a fully hollow and may feedback on you as previously noted. I had a Dot for about a week and couldn't get along with it, just felt like a cheaper version of my Sheraton. What are you playing on? What styles? Where are you? What's your budget?
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#4
You should probably save your money, but I appreciate that you're getting all sensitive and versatile with your music. 
Semi-hollow body guitars, I'm afraid, are less likely to be all sensitive and more likely to sound like a Les Paul. It's that "semi" that gets you. 
I started with 335s have a couple of seriously expensive archtops, bought a whole bunch of superstrat shaped guitars and eventually ended up with a Taylor T5 that ticks the boxes you want ticked. But it's outside your price range.  A used Variax, such as a 500, 600 or 700 will let you experiment with a whole range of guitar sounds (including some acoustics and jazz boxes) and maybe you can pick one you like. 

Just so that you're out there looking, don't forget a wide range of Godins, the whole bunch of Carvin/Kiesel  SH (for Semi-Hollow) carved out guitars, a bunch of Douglas WNOs, some Agile AS-XXXX guitars, older Hofner Verithins, etc.

While you're at it, flip some of these guitars over and look at the neck heel. You *may* want to use the upper frets at some point, and some of these have better neck heels than others:


#5
I agree that a hollowbody is more likely to be "sweet" than a semi. But those that flip that trend- in both directions- exist, and are worth considering. I've got a full hollow that snarls like a demon, and a semi that's as sweet as a kitten. Same builder.

The difference? The pickups. Basically, look for a semi or full hollow with pickups that are low to medium output.

Godins are definitely worth a look. Well made, nice necks.

Not exactly a semihollow, the discontinued Godin Icon 3 was a chambered LPclone with a trio of Lollar P90s. Here's one that may be the ticket:
https://reverb.com/item/4674789-godin-icon-type-3-lollar-p90s
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You should probably save your money, but I appreciate that you're getting all sensitive and versatile with your music. 
Semi-hollow body guitars, I'm afraid, are less likely to be all sensitive and more likely to sound like a Les Paul. It's that "semi" that gets you. 
I started with 335s have a couple of seriously expensive archtops, bought a whole bunch of superstrat shaped guitars and eventually ended up with a Taylor T5 that ticks the boxes you want ticked. But it's outside your price range.  A used Variax, such as a 500, 600 or 700 will let you experiment with a whole range of guitar sounds (including some acoustics and jazz boxes) and maybe you can pick one you like. 

Just so that you're out there looking, don't forget a wide range of Godins, the whole bunch of Carvin/Kiesel  SH (for Semi-Hollow) carved out guitars, a bunch of Douglas WNOs, some Agile AS-XXXX guitars, older Hofner Verithins, etc.

While you're at it, flip some of these guitars over and look at the neck heel. You *may* want to use the upper frets at some point, and some of these have better neck heels than others:




My dad has a Taylor T5 and he absolutely loves it. He is blown away by it matter of fact.
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While you're at it, flip some of these guitars over and look at the neck heel. You *may* want to use the upper frets at some point, and some of these have better neck heels than others:



I guess this guitar has close to nothing to do with what the OP asked for
pricewise and buildwise.......
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#8
Actually even though that's 90 percent true of most guitars dspellman posts. The hb is actually built a lot like an epiphany wildkat
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#9
look into ibanez for some semis for full hollows. I favor those out of the Epiphones. a bit different, but they play and sound great.
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I guess this guitar has close to nothing to do with what the OP asked for
pricewise and buildwise.......

No, but ...um... red. 

They're just there to illustrate what can be available in neck heels. 
They're absolutely NOT there to suggest that there are options beyond the run of the mill. 
#11
Okay so for the most part, I'm not looking for a Epiphone Casino anymore, upon researching more (and the replies I got on here), I've heard numerous times that they're prone to feedback, and they're hollow as opposed to semi-hollow.

The dot being lifeless is also something I've heard quite a bit, but also in contrast, some people have loved it. 

So lets just say I'm looking now at the Sheraton and Riviera. Thoughts/pros and cons on these please? 

And any other recommendations? I for whatever reason, have mainly only ever played more known brands such as epiphone, dean, bc rich, fender (and i think I owned a really cheap Ibanez for a short while) so other brands are pretty alien to me, but I'd be willing to try something new and maybe go after something if it catches my eyes and ears!  

- I'm a visual learner btw so links to any good reviews/plays on youtube would be helpful too  
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#12
SteveHOC Budget wise, probably not more than a few hundred ££, but second hand guitars have always been good to me and I can usually find a few good deals. 

Genre wise - I'm not sure exactly what it'd fall under, but basically aside from rock/metal which I always play, I've started writing pop and folk style stuff too. My acoustic guitar is great for that particularly when just writing, but I wanna play and record more of that stuff with an electric that sounds great (and has NO emgs!! lol)

Gear wise - I have a Marshall  Valvestate AVT 2000 amp, also a small Marshall practise amp (30 watts i think) . I am an absolute Pedals noob, therefore I only have multi effect pedals at the moment (BOSS ME20 and my current fav...the line 6 POD 2 with its pedalboard). I'm looking to invest soon in individual pedals as well as another amp at some point. 

And I'm located in the UK

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#13
I don't know if you can get the Epi version in red, but Gibson do a red Lucille...
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#14
I've loved the Ibanez Artcores I've had.  I've owned the AFS75T, the AS73, and the AM93.  Out of those, the AM93 was my favorite mostly because it had upgraded pickups stock.  But all of them had a good fit and finish, were very comfortable to play, and overall sounded good.  Some other guitars that I've only played but never owned that you might want to check out could be the PRS Semi Hollows (there's a couple cool ones in the SE line) or maybe a Hagstrom Viking.
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#15
Some of these Reverends have been made in red, but not many. Any of these semihollows will probably work, and if you're lucky, you may find one in your budget. The differences: "HB" models will feature medium-output humbuckers; "RT" models will have RevTron humbuckers, which are Mini humbuckers based on FillerTrons, but are slightly hotter; "290" models are equipped with a pair of P90s that are a little higher output than the original P90s, but still harmonically rich.

Club King 290, HB or RT
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Manta Ray 290 or HB
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#16
I bought a casino for my sister as her first electric as her tastes in music are very different from mine. It's a nice guitar. I've never plugged it into my high gain amp unfortunately so I can't comment on the feedback but it has a pretty smooth lead sound and chords sound pretty nice up to about mid gain. It doesn't sustain like my neckthrough jacksons and isn't suitable for what I play but overall it's a nice guitar.

At the time, I was looking at the Dot as well or a MIJ tele. Personally I would go for the telle but most of her hipster bands play hollow or semi-hollow bodied guitars so I splurged for the casino. LoL
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#17
One that might be worth a look is an Epi ES-339, I have one that I absolutely love. You can get them with P-90s or humbuckers (mine's a P-90) and I find them a bit more lively than the Dots I've played. Currently I have it downtuned for doom, but when I first got it I kept it in standard and used it for blues and poppy stuff and it does that very well. They come in red, too, a couple of different shades (I think the P-90 model can be had in wine red and the humbucker model in heritage cherry, but I'm not 100% on that).
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So lets just say I'm looking now at the Sheraton and Riviera. Thoughts/pros and cons on these please? 
First thing - I'm a big fan of the Epiphone archtop models - that is, the ones that aren't Gibson clones (not that those aren't generally good too, but I just find them less interesting when Epi have their own models). The Sheraton is essentially Epiphone's in-house take on the same design as the Dot (which is a 335 clone), so if you like the Dot it's essentially the nicer version of that. I really haven't had a bad experience with the Epi archtops in that price range.

The Riviera will sound slightly brighter and probably have slightly lower output, thanks to the P-90s. Some people find middle pickups get in the way of picking, which is very much a personal thing, so it may or may not be an issue for you (that is, if you're talking about the 3 pickup model? As far as I know that's the only one in the price range). Then there's the Bigsby - it looks great and it sounds great for chord vibrato; however it's hard to say for sure how stable the tuning will be. I have a Telecaster with a Bigsby and pretty much the least stable bridge ever created and it stays in tune fine, but some people with Bigsbys have a lot of trouble getting them to stay in tune (it's always possible but sometimes it gets expensive replacing hardware to make it work). I can't make any guarantees about a guitar I haven't played with a thing like that.
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#19
It occurs to me, Fret-King's discontinued Gordon Giktrap model might work for you. Semihollow doublecut with a neck P90, HB in the bridge, and a piezo system to boot.

I've seen a couple used models on this side of the Atlantic for under $800. They should be cheaper in their country of origin. I think the ONLY color they came in was red.

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First thing - I'm a big fan of the Epiphone archtop models - that is, the ones that aren't Gibson clones (not that those aren't generally good too, but I just find them less interesting when Epi have their own models). The Sheraton is essentially Epiphone's in-house take on the same design as the Dot (which is a 335 clone), so if you like the Dot it's essentially the nicer version of that. I really haven't had a bad experience with the Epi archtops in that price range.

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Sorry, this is wrong ^^

The Epi Sheraton 

 
The Epiphone Sheraton is a thinline semi-acoustic, semi-hollow bodied electric guitar. Though the Sheraton and all its variations were introduced under the ownership of the Gibson Guitar Corporation, Epiphone is the exclusive manufacturer. 
Gibson designed the Sheraton's body at the same time as their similar, though less fancy ES-335  model. It featured the same double rounded horns body as the 335 and  had similarly placed electronics. The Sheraton was fitted with a set  glued-in neck, in accordance with Gibson's standard practice. One  distinguishing characteristic of the Sheraton was its Frequensator tail  piece. While Gibson's 335 usually featured a stop tail piece or in some  cases a vibrato tail-piece, the Sheraton had a Frequensator. Another  unique feature was its inlay. The 335 originally used dot inlays on the  neck, later replaced by blocks. The Sheraton featured a block and  triangle inlay, as well as a fancy vine on the headstock. 
The Epiphone Sheraton II was introduced in 1986 and featured only one  major difference. The Frequensator tail piece was now replaced by a  fixed stop bar. Recently the vintage sunburst finish that many Sheratons  are made in has changed color from a black on deep red color to a black  on orange-yellow color. 

http://www.epiphonewiki.com/index.php/Sheraton
#21
paruwi
Probably my wording was ambiguous, especially since I was talking about clones and such already, but I just meant that the body shape and configuration are no more than a hair off being identical, except that the Sheraton is the Epi and the Dot is the Gibby clone. For all practical intents and purposes, the Sheraton is a better-looking 3x5. Essentially, the only thing that distinguishes it from being a 3x5 is that it's not a 3x5, if you get what I mean (unless you mean the "in-house" bit is wrong which, fine But it's more of an Epiphone than the Dot).
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paruwi
Probably my wording was ambiguous, especially since I was talking about clones and such already, but I just meant that the body shape and configuration are no more than a hair off being identical, except that the Sheraton is the Epi and the Dot is the Gibby clone. For all practical intents and purposes, the Sheraton is a better-looking 3x5. Essentially, the only thing that distinguishes it from being a 3x5 is that it's not a 3x5, if you get what I mean (unless you mean the "in-house" bit is wrong which, fine But it's more of an Epiphone than the Dot).

The Epi Sheraton and Epi Dot and Epi Riviera all have exactly the same bodyshape than the Gibson - the first Epi Sheratons and Rivieras were made side by side with Gibsons, same workers, same wood, same production lines

the small differences happened later when the Sheratons were made at many different OEM factories
#23
The cort source is a good guitar I got it used $600 aud used and i'm very impressed with it. It has a few different versions like one with a bigsby b70 vibrato and p90s and a few others.
#24
I have both an Epiphone ES-335 Pro and an Epiphone ES-339 Pro with P90 pickups.  I wouldn't describe either of them as sounding lifeless or sterile.  Might do a humbucker upgrade on the 335 at some point, but, that's merely for my taste.  Can't say if they are feedback prone, haven't been on stage with one.  They certainly do not feel cheap to my hands, nor look it to my eyes.  The construction on both is very good, can't find a flaw on them.  Set up well out of the box.  

Not gunna lie, before buying the 335 pro, I was getting wood over the wine red Sheraton II.  
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#25
i have many high-end guitars, but i still LOVE my Ibanez Artcore. and they have many options. You should really give them a shot. IMHO much better then an epiphone for the money.
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i have many high-end guitars, but i still LOVE my Ibanez Artcore. and they have many options. You should really give them a shot. IMHO much better then an epiphone for the money.
How many of those Epiphones have you tried? The Artcores are real nice, but "much better" doesn't strike me as fair given the quality of Epiphone you can get for ~£500.
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#27
just my opinion, nothing wrong with epiphone, i think it would be worth his time to try the ibanez. ALTHOUGH the don't really do p-90 that often. so he would have to be ok with humbuckers.
#28
I bought an Epiphone Dot about 10 years ago. Loved it at the time, but in hindsight, I probably should have gone for a Sheraton, as they have a far nicer tone. As others have said, the tone is a bit kind of dark, and for the kind of stuff I was playing at the time, it was fine, but it wasn't very versatile. Fed back like a bitch too. 

Depending on what kind of stuff you want to play and what kind of stuff your local guitar store has, I'd say try as many things as possible. You might find something that really surprises you. 

Off the top of my head, I'd say for jazz or genres with "warmer" tones, I would really recommend a Godin 5th avenue - I've tried one a few times and the neck is a dream to play, and the tone is really creamy and mellow. D'angelico have also released a more affordable range of guitars, so I would definitely recommend looking there.

If you want something with a slightly harsher tone, then maybe a Hagstrom Viking - I have tried quite a few Hagstroms, but I can't remember if I've played one of these. They are very versatile across the spectrum of rock though. 

Last but certainly not least, I'd recommend one of the Guild Starfire series, if you have the cash to spend. I shelled out for a Starfire 3, and, at the risk of sounding biased, it is one of the nicest guitars I have ever played, save for a few exceptions. While I would probably choose a Godin for jazz, I think that this would do a more than passable job at it - I'd say this guitar is more suited to blues and rock kind of styles. 
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