#1
For my next gear purchase, I really want to try out an Agile 8 string guitar since there not that expensive compared to other 8 strings, BUT I have this really shit line 6 Iv15 which I absolutely hate and want to upgrade to a better Metal Amp.

Should I buy new guitar ( I have a pretty decent Ibanez RG6003FM) , or upgrade my line 6 ?
#2
If you like how your guitar plays and you aren't desperate for an 8 string, that amp is pretty lousy.
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#3
Amp (tone producer).  A good amp (tone really) is a blessing and a crappy amp (tone) is a huge discouragement.  
Guitars:
Jackson Kelly KE3 - MIJ (Distortion/Jazz)
Jackson DKMGT Dinky (EMG 81/85)
ESP E-II Eclipse Custom (JB/'59)
ESP LTD EC-1001FR (EMG 81/60)
Fender MIM Strat

Amps:
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster 212
Laney IronHeart IRT-Studio
Peavey Vypyr 30
Peavey ReValver Amp Sims
TOOOO many T.C. Electronic Pedals. . .
#5
Are you actually doing things where you feel like an 8 string required? 


Otherwise, I agree with the other posters. If you're looking for the biggest difference in the sounds you're producing, a new amp is the way to go and considering you're not a fan of the amp you have, I would say that takes priority over trying out an 8 string.
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#6
Amp would be better. But if you're only jamming at home and decide to get a tube amp it'll probably be too loud . Maybe you should get a boss katana or something similar 
#7
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Amp would be better. But if you're only jamming at home and decide to get a tube amp it'll probably be too loud . Maybe you should get a boss katana or something similar 

Why would a tube amp be louder than a solid state amp? Especially considering the smallest Katana is a 50 watter and I can get tube amps that have way less power? That makes no sense.


At equal wattage (as in, not comparing a clean rating to a pushed rating) there isn't going to be a huge difference in volume and to preface your comment with 'tube amps are going to be too loud' is almost asinine. Especially since master volumes are a thing and cranking amps aren't the norm (or really required to get a nice tone) anymore. 
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#8
I actually didn't know the Katana only came in 50 I assumed it came in a 20 watt combo at least . So sorry about that OP. I should've known better. I seemed to have upset a little girl above me .

Maybe you should research what's best for you OP and what's best for your situation , but one thing most people can agree on is that a line 6 combo amps really aren't that great.
#9
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#10
OP, in my first years of playing I wasted a TON of money buying lots of good guitars that I couldn't get to sound right because I was cheaping out on amps that ranged from completely terrible to mediocre. Don't make that mistake. A new amp is going to make a lot more difference in your sound, and once I started investing in amps that would really do what I needed them to do, my whole world changed. If you know the amp is holding you back, that should probably be your first priority.

If you're considering Agile, I'm going to assume you're in the US, and since you're looking at an 8-string and have an Ibanez I'm going to guess you lean towards modern metal? A used Peavey XXX or 6505 would probably be in your budget and get the kind of tones you're looking for (or at least miles closer than what you're running now). I'm also a big fan of Jet City on a budget, although the voicing might not be quite right for what you play; you can find them used for fairly cheap, and they pretty regularly pop up in Musicians Friend sales as well.

Otoh if you know your amp is a limitation but decide you can live with that for a little while and you want to play an 8-string now, Agiles are really excellent for the price. I'm not an 8-string player but I've tried a couple of Agile 8s I've seen secondhand, just on a lark, and they've all seemed well-built, they've sounded pretty good (apart from the bit where I don't know what I'm doing with the low strings), and though I don't really care for the feel of any 8+ string neck these have felt at least as good as any other 8 I've picked up.
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#12
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I actually didn't know the Katana only came in 50 I assumed it came in a 20 watt combo at least . So sorry about that OP. I should've known better. I seemed to have upset a little girl above me .

Maybe you should research what's best for you OP and what's best for your situation , but one thing most people can agree on is that a line 6 combo amps really aren't that great.

dude this kind of crap isn't tolerated here save it for the Pit. consider this a friendly warning. do it again and it won't be friendly  
#14
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Amp would be better. But if you're only jamming at home and decide to get a tube amp it'll probably be too loud . Maybe you should get a boss katana or something similar 

No.  My Laney IRT-Studio (15W/<1W) sounds way better than my solid states (Peavey Vypyr and Randall RG100SC) do/did at home volumes.  Granted the IRT-Studio I'll give mostly tube.  It has one less than it's larger siblings and that missing tube is in the signal path.  Still sounds good!
Guitars:
Jackson Kelly KE3 - MIJ (Distortion/Jazz)
Jackson DKMGT Dinky (EMG 81/85)
ESP E-II Eclipse Custom (JB/'59)
ESP LTD EC-1001FR (EMG 81/60)
Fender MIM Strat

Amps:
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster 212
Laney IronHeart IRT-Studio
Peavey Vypyr 30
Peavey ReValver Amp Sims
TOOOO many T.C. Electronic Pedals. . .
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#15
metalmingee yeah I spoke out ma ass in the above comment. I was cooking with the wife and didn't put much thought into it... 

I'm assuming this guy likes metal and plays down tuned since he was talking about getting an 8 string.... I don't know, with the experience i've had with a couple of solid states and valve amps, solid state modeling amps have a little more control, it's easier to make them sound better with super low volumes and high gain. than a high gain tube amp set on low volume. My old Peavey XXX combo sounded really fizzy and thin at low volumes, to really make it sound better I had to crank it up. It didn't have a master control or built in power soak or whatever you call it... not sure what the OP is looking for but i'm assuming since he only uses a 15 watt line 6, that he just plays at home. 

with the Katana, I remembered watching a demo video with Rob Chapman, and he was blown away by the way the amp sounded, saying it sounded very similar to a tube amp. But really that's the only reason why I recommended it, I don't have any experience with it. But it is pretty cheap and has a lot of features, and if I remember it had a 1/20/50 watt switch
#17
Once you get your new amp...(I personally would recommend the 5150III 15W LBX Head, BTW)...
You could give your old Line 6 Spider what I usually like to call "The Glenn Fricker Treatment."
It pretty much entails smashing it with a 20 pound sledgehammer.

Don't forget to get that on video, because The Pit regulars could always use good porn...porn that won't get them ban-hammered.

Edit: If you don't have a sledgehammer, your Spider could be useful as a paperweight...or as a wheel-chock for your vehicle.

Edit #2: Get the Mark 2 version of the LBX Head. It has a dedicated clean channel. 
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#19
You have to ask yourself how badly you want those extra 2 strings.  8 strings opens up a lot of options in terms of what you can do with your guitar.  If you really want to open up your possibilities in playing a technique then get the guitar but be aware that it's not going to sound good through your amp.  If you really want to sound better when you play definitely get the amp.
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#20
Upgrade your amp first. Then make absolutely certain that you want to invest in an 8 string and that it is not just an impulse buy.
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#21
I mean if you desperately want an 8 string then get an 8 string. Just be aware that it won't sound any better than your current setup.

The simple answer is that if you are happy with your current sound but want two extra strings, then buy the 8 string.

If you think your amp sounds like ass, and also happen to be considering an 8 string, then 100% upgrade the amp first.
#22
Thanks everyone for the replies! I think I'll buy the new amp since Although I want an 8string , I'm not desperate for one.
The better tone of a better amp will satisfy me the most !