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There's a charity in the uk that cares for deaf blind children, children who're born without sight and hearing. I don't mean to diminish the charity or anything they do, but I can't help but think that it'd be more humane to let these children die. It must be a very lonely, confusing, and terrifying existence, not to mention how much work it must take to care for them. I can't imagine that these children have a good quality of life.

So my question/topic of discussion is at what point is it more humane to let nature take its course? what quality of life do these kids have? Are there other types of disabilities which you think it would be kinder to let the child pass than keep it alive for altruistic reasons? And am I completely in the wrong for thinking this and asking these questions?
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#2
i'm sure they play a mean pin ball
#3
I have no idea what their quailty of life would be like as I have only met adults who are both deaf and blind, so I don't feel comfortable making assumptions about how a child might experience this - also, deaf-blindess is not a homogenous condition. Letting a child die because of disabilities such as these that can be accomodated would be unconscionable to me, but I understand if others do not want to or cannot accomodate them. 
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have you really never heard of Helen Keller?
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#6
more interesting and less dumb question: if life is fundamentally suffering, is antinatalism the right position to hold?
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I have no idea what their quailty of life would be like as I have only met adults who are both deaf and blind, so I don't feel comfortable making assumptions about how a child might experience this - also, deaf-blindess is not a homogenous condition. Letting a child die because of disabilities such as these that can be accomodated would be unconscionable to me, but I understand if others do not want to or cannot accomodate them. 


what would you say the adults quality of life was? Did they seem happy and somewhat functional?

It's not that I don't want to accommodate them, I think it's a question of if we should or not, because I can't imagine them having a good quality of life. Is it rare for them to have absolutely no vision or hearing? because that does change things
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more interesting and less dumb question: if life is fundamentally suffering, is antinatalism the right position to hold?
yes
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have you really never heard of Helen Keller?


I know she was deaf-blind but wasn't born like it, I thought she lost her senses due to meningitis at around 2?

And had someone around 24/7 to try and teach her some form of language
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what would you say the adults quality of life was? Did they seem happy and somewhat functional?

It's not that I don't want to accommodate them, I think it's a question of if we should or not, because I can't imagine them having a good quality of life. Is it rare for them to have absolutely no vision or hearing? because that does change things

Many of them were employed at the time. Most of them communicate via ASL but others (mainly those who were not born with a profound hearing loss) use speech. Some of them have cochlear implants too so the hearing loss isn't as big of a deal; for others, all it helps them with is hearing environmental noise but they are still unable to hear speech. 

I think we should accomodate them. 
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I know she was deaf-blind but wasn't born like it, I thought she lost her senses due to meningitis at around 2?

And had someone around 24/7 to try and teach her some form of language
she still lost it at an early enough age for it to impair cognitive (i think that's the word i'm looking for) development until she had a tutor.

my point was she was able to learn and gain some quality of life with the help of... uh... whatsername...

i'm sure the medical community is far better equipped to handle these things now than ever before.

and quality of life is kind of what you make it. treading a bit into philosophy here, but would you rather lose your sight/hearing as a child or never have had them in the first place? can you feel a lessened overall quality of life based on a lack of a sense if you never had it in the first place?

personally i believe as long as you have some basic level of cognition, life is what you make of it.

there was a story in the news recently about a mother that took care of her son for around 20 years.

he'd had permanent brain damage from being shaken as an infant, less than a year old, and would never develop mentally/cognitively past a few month old baby.

at that point i see zero quality of life. you're not even aware of your own existence. you're just there.

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Many of them were employed at the time. Most of them communicate via ASL but others (mainly those who were not born with a profound hearing loss) use speech. Some of them have cochlear implants too so the hearing loss isn't as big of a deal; for others, all it helps them with is hearing environmental noise but they are still unable to hear speech. 

I think we should accomodate them. 


Ah okay, that's a lot different to what I imagined adults with deaf blindness would be like. I also keep forgetting cochlear implants are a thing

I should clarify too, the charity advertises on tv, and it comes across as strange. They show these kids staring off into the distance while someone holds a small fan near their face, and honestly the child just looks terrified to me

But yeah to answer my own question, yes I was being a bit of a dick
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#13
Deaf-blind sounds like a condition where you don't realize deaf people can't hear.

Kind of like not having gaydar.
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#14
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but I can't help but think that it'd be more humane to let these children die.

Wtf? It's only terrifying if you know what you aren't experiencing. Just because they serve no financial or emotional benefit to you does not mean they warrant a death-wish. Seriously dude, wtf. Humans are already physically "weak" in terms of spectral analysis relative to other species, does that mean all of humanity should be wiped out due to this little fact?

Edit: in the grand-scheme-of-things, we hardly perceive jack shit of what's happening around us! Don't get too high-n-mighty now...
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yeah but that's just called "being straight"
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