Poll: Line 6 Helix vs Fractal Axe FX II XL+
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View poll results: Line 6 Helix vs Fractal Axe FX II XL+
Line 6 Helix
14 54%
Axe FX II
12 46%
Voters: 26.
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#1
I have long planned on buying a Fractal Axe FX II XL+ along with the footswitch controller. I currently run a Line 6 PODHD500X. The problems I have with it is lack of certain amp models (Roland JC-120 being the most notable exclusion, the thing even came with a Metallica clean preset , shit clean amps, inaccurate modeling, constant need to put noise gates everywhere because of hiss, I expend the DSP quickly when doing shoegaze type sounds, and there is a really noticeable delay when switching between presets.

I recently came across the Line 6 Helix, this thing sounds almost too good to be true, beautiful color interface, color LED footswitches, programmable text above each footswitch. The Helix is $1499. The Axe FX II +XL is about $3000 for the rack unit and foot controller and expression pedals.

They both have dual DSP chips. The Helix clearly has a friendlier user interface. (I've heard horror stories of the Axe Fx menu cascades.)
What exactly does the Axe FX II do that the Helix can't? Is the Helix as good as it seems or are the models that it shares with the HD500X going to sound the same? The sound quality seems to be so close that one would be hard pressed to hear the difference in a mix.

If you want to troll this thread with "buy real amps" please go.
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#2
I've never used either of the unit, but like you read extensively. My priority would be end use. Price difference is huge and your still going to need speakers. You have interface considerations. If your not doing this for a living do you have to go 100% best if the only one who is going to know the difference is you? Maybe you do I'm just throwing that out there. Also consider you could walk away with the ax or walk away with a helix and a $1500 guitar. Not a small thing. I for one would love to have these choices right now.
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#3
Why don't you go with the Ax8 ? It's cheaper and is a foot controller.

The point of going with ax fx over line 6 is sound quality. I have not been impressed with the modelling on the helix, it's not on par with current ax fx modelling. The effects are good however. I've listened to extensive demos of both.

The layout and ability to name all the switches on the helix is great though.

I would suggest demoing the units first.
#4
reverb66 how does one demo an Axe Fx I've never seen one sold in a store?
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#5
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reverb66 how does one demo an Axe Fx I've never seen one sold in a store?


Find an online dealer thaf allows for returns. It'll cost you a bit in shipping if you return it, but it's a small price to pay to make the right decision.
#6
reverb66 The point is I don't have near the money for the Axe FX but I could get the Helix.
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#8
reverb66 I don't like the AX 8.
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#9
I would say that the amp modeling on the Helix is as good as what I've heard from the Axe, just different. Even if it isn't as good, it is good enough that with external IRs you can nail most tones you would need, and I would use external IRs with the Axe too.

There is also the Helix LT now for a cheaper price if you don't need the full feature set and interface.
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#11
I can't get along with the axefx interface. It was annoying to use and the endless tweakablity works for some; but I found it tedious and quite difficult to achieve the sounds I wanted. I also used up all it's processing power on multiple occasions (it was a II standard) for shoe gaze stuff.

Sounds are good, but I prefer kepler's amp tones.

Never used a helix though.
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#12
I've got an older Axe FX (Ultra) and the Helix.
Honestly, I think there's room for both (it's not really an "either/or" any more).

The Helix has a great interface for setting up pathways, etc. It handles IRs as well as anything (and that capability is what's making a lot of the newer units). It's got great ergonomics, really solid construction, tons of I/O (four FX loops). I love the scribble strips and the touch-sensitive switching. I really like the size of the monitor screen on the thing. The pedal recommended for the Axe is nowhere near as competent.

The Axe 8 isn't even in the same ballpark as either the Axe FX II or the Helix. It has *much* reduced functionality compared to either. It's reason for existence is just that it's cheaper than the Axe FX, but it's got nowhere near the functionality of the Helix. The Axe-FX II allows more detail in tailoring sound, and it's a good toolkit. Most of the folks that own one use perhaps 5% of its functionality. You have to add another manufacturer's pedal board and expression pedals (well, you have to add another manufacturer's expression pedals if you need more than one on the Helix, but there's room for at least two beyond the one built into the Helix). If you really need what the Axe has, you should get it. If you simply want to brag about owning one, you should get it. Other than that...

I have one more reason for getting the Helix; I use Variax guitars. The Helix and the Variax work together via a VDI cable (think "hardened ethernet cable") that allows you to transmit the magnetic humbuckers' output without capacitance issues. And, of course, the modeled guitars offer a lot on their own. With the Helix, however, you're able to use P90's and other single coil guitar models without the noise issues. You can change amps/cabs/fx/guitar models/alternate tunings with a single stomp. Oh, and you can use the tone and volume controls on the Variax guitars to control FX and other parameters. That's a whole story all on its own.
You can buy a Helix in virtually any GC. Not so much the AxeFX. You can have a Helix and a backup Helix for about the same price that a single AxeFX with foot pedal will cost you. If you're a major arena act, you can afford two or more. If not, you have a different reality.

More units out there (the Helix) means that there's more support, including acres of patches from guys like Glenn de Laune https://www.glenndelaune.com/patch%20downloads.htm

Honestly, they're both good units. Just depends on what you're going to be doing and what your budget allows.
#13
Might be worth mentioning the Headrush pedalboard as well. I haven't seen one in the wild but it is definitely in the same league as the Helix, and the touchscreen is a nice feature. I would be concerned about its ability to stay up to date though, given its ties to the Eleven Rack.
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#14
Quote by dementiacaptain
Might be worth mentioning the Headrush pedalboard as well. I haven't seen one in the wild but it is definitely in the same league as the Helix, and the touchscreen is a nice feature. I would be concerned about its ability to stay up to date though, given its ties to the Eleven Rack.


I'm not sure that it IS in the same league as the Helix, though they may intend to be compared to it.
You'll like a touch screen on these a whole lot less in actual use. We've discussed it in the past, and the need to be able to deactivate it has been considered a must for live performance.

You're right, however; I'd be leery of the backing of the same company as the one that's been ignoring the 11R...
#15
I honestly don't think the Helix sounds even as good at the AmpliFire, which is pretty embarrassing given the price.

The Helix looks really easy and intuitive to use though. The way every basic effect represents a different colour is a concept that I really like. It makes it very easy to see what buttons you're pressing if you're on a dark stage, provided you have memorized what the colours actually mean.

But purely as a tool to produce the best possible tones and allow maximum tonal flexibility, the Helix doesn't touch the Axe FX. Even though the Axe FX's interface is a pain in the ass. And many of the effects and parameters it offers are ones I'd almost never use.

But with that said, I think the Kemper should be of serious consideration. I actually think the Kemper is a better product than Axe.
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#16
dspellman

Fair points, I'm solely basing my opinion off of demos (which I know aren't the best thing to base judgement upon). Good point on the touchscreen, in a live situation that could be a pain.

T00DEEPBLUE

Have you had the chance to play them (Amplifire and Helix) head to head? Not calling you out, just curious. I'll admit that some of the mid-gain sounds from the Amplifire are incredible, and definitely sound better in demos than what I've been able to achieve with my Helix. I've yet to hear a high gain tone that compares to what I can get with the Helix and my Ownhammer IRs.
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#17
Quote by dementiacaptainT00DEEPBLUE

Have you had the chance to play them (Amplifire and Helix) head to head?  Not calling you out, just curious.  I'll admit that some of the mid-gain sounds from the Amplifire are incredible, and definitely sound better in demos than what I've been able to achieve with my Helix.  I've yet to hear a high gain tone that compares to what I can get with the Helix and my Ownhammer IRs.

I don't know what your Ownhammer IR's sound like, so I cannot answer that.

It's just from all the demos I've heard from the Helix, the Amplifire seems to sound consistently better to my ears with mid and high gain sounds, which is what ultimately motivated me to buy one.

MBritt's Amplifire presets just sound immense for the low-mid-gain stuff. And I'm really pleased so far with modifying artist presets (such as Ola's Rectola presets) to get a tone that I really like. And allegedly I'm only scratching the surface.
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#18
Fair enough. The Amplifires are definitely mighty appealing, even the 12 switch is considerably cheaper than the Helix.

My point, and I make this often, is that the current level of modeling for most of the higher tier products is damn good. Good enough that with any one of these products, a motivated player should be able to get any sound they need. I'm not going to stop buying tube amps, but I can honestly say with the Helix, I don't NEED any more. Yes, I do use external IRs, but I would likely use them for any product.
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#19
Quote by dementiacaptain
Fair enough.  The Amplifires are definitely mighty appealing, even the 12 switch is considerably cheaper than the Helix.

My point, and I make this often, is that the current level of modeling for most of the higher tier products is damn good.  Good enough that with any one of these products, a motivated player should be able to get any sound they need.  I'm not going to stop buying tube amps, but I can honestly say with the Helix, I don't NEED any more.  Yes, I do use external IRs, but I would likely use them for any product.

Yeah I agree. Modelling amps have become so damn good that the ground for spending thousands on tube amps purely for tonal reasons is thinning out.

But I've come to the conclusion that tube amps will have their appeal to a niche market no matter what happens. Messing with a physical amp will always be a more tactile experience than a virtual one. Much in the same way that a physical pinball table is always going to be more fun than a virtual one, all other things being equal.
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#20
actually i changed my mind. i think the helix sounds pretty dain good.

also can someone that owns an amplifire give me a screenshot of it's software control interface?

I must be dumb because it doesn't seem like their website has any information other then some videos and a couple of pictures.
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#21
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
I honestly don't think the Helix sounds even as good at the AmpliFire, which is pretty embarrassing given the price.

The Helix looks really easy and intuitive to use though. The way every basic effect represents a different colour is a concept that I really like. It makes it very easy to see what buttons you're pressing if you're on a dark stage, provided you have memorized what the colours actually mean.

But purely as a tool to produce the best possible tones and allow maximum tonal flexibility, the Helix doesn't touch the Axe FX. Even though the Axe FX's interface is a pain in the ass. And many of the effects and parameters it offers are ones I'd almost never use.

But with that said, I think the Kemper should be of serious consideration. I actually think the Kemper is a better product than Axe.


I'm assuming that you own none of these products.

I can tell you that trying one out in a store (or at a buddy's place) won't tell you much, nor will listening to demos on YouTube. I *never* buy anything based on YouTube videos. And I'll never buy anything based on forum suggestions. I'll *look* at it, but won't buy blind from forum push.

I hate to be a shill for Lonnie, but if you have a chance to attend the LA Amp Show (first weekend in October in Van Nuys) https://www.ampshow.com/ , you'll have a chance to learn a LOT more about these products *and* talk to the people who built them and listen to some talent play them. Bruce Egnater, Patrick Selfridge - Mercury Magnetics, Reinhold Bogner, Mark Gallo-Studio Devil (his sims live in the Amplifire), Henry Heistand - RedPlate, James Demeter, Myles Rose, Jason Lollar, *so* many more. The stuff is set up in private rooms so you can blast the stuff to your heart's content (please keep the door closed). You'll be standing around with other folks in t-shirts and jeans (it's SoCal, so...shorts) and those guys will be Robby Krieger, Phil X, half of Motley Crue, Carl Verhayen, Rick Turner, Pete Thorn, etc.

That said, I don't think you quite understand the ergonomics of the Helix. It's not a changing colors thing, nor do you have to remember what they mean. The colors DO change, mostly to remind you that you've actually made the transition into the looper, say, or that you've got the next item loaded up and ready to go as you intended. It's a major step up from a glowing LED in the dark that says that you've activated the switch (or not).

The Amplifire is a decent piece from Tom King at Atomic Amps, with sims from Studio Devil, and it does sound good. I've dealt with Tom King since his earliest products (the Atomic Reactor powered speakers with tube amps designed to accommodate desktop modelers in hot-swappable bays). There's always a cleverness to his products. The CLR, designed by Jay Mitchell is a really interesting power amp plus coaxial 12" speaker in a monitor-sized box. Jay did the work with the speaker and amp, but stopped there. The box it's in is too heavy by half. The Amplifire has decent sims, but that's pretty much where it stops.

The Kemper is a good piece, but getting long in tooth and in need of a refresh; it has a desktop and a rack model, but nothing for the floor (last I checked). If you play in your bedroom, it's nice sounding.

The Axe FX is like a wall of shiny SnapOn tool boxes filled with stuff. Somewhere in there is the exactly right tool for the job, and it's an amazing tool. Finding it is a different story. I love what the units *can* do, but the ergonomics suck and honestly, that's not Cliff's thing. The first go at a foot pedal unit eliminates a lot of what the Axe is good for and is right up to date for 2006 in terms of usability. If you want the rack-mount Axe, don't bother with the waiting list. They're available for nearly half-price here and there on Craigs and eBay, needing only a software update at most. Most are pristine, as if they've really never been used.

What you CAN do with the Axe-FX that you CAN'T do with the Helix probably isn't worth spending the time on, honestly. Hell, Neal Schon bought a pair of Axe-FX's a couple of years ago, and he's a techno weenie. Nothing on his guitars is stock, and he's done whole albums on a Pod XT. He took one look and promptly paid to have a couple of Axe specialists come out and develop a few tones that he likes, and that's pretty much it for those on his stage rig. He might have one at home that he tweaks around, dunno. Most of the folks I know that have these are a bit overwhelmed by the choices and, when they get a couple of sounds they like, button them down. I've poked at mine (mine was essentially free), and it's fun and sounds great, but I actually *use* the Helix.

What the Helix does is allow you to easily access and *use* what it's got. An IR on a Kemper or Axe doesn't sound any different on a Helix or on a Torpedo C.A.B. And in terms of finding things you can use on a Helix, take a look at some of the patches available out there from folks like Glenn de Laune. If you're in a cover band, he's your buddy. There are some great patches available for the other modelers, to be sure. The Helix has no issues in terms of sound, and I'd plop it soundly in the mix with the Axe and Kemper in that regard. As always, you need to ignore the Line 6 presets (the Axe and Kemper presets are better) and dive in. If what you wanted the $2400 Axe and its $750 foot pedal for where its presets take you, though, go to it.
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#22
Quote by dspellman
I can tell you that trying one out in a store (or at a buddy's place) won't tell you much, nor will listening to demos on YouTube. I *never* buy anything based on YouTube videos. And I'll never buy anything based on forum suggestions. I'll *look* at it, but won't buy blind from forum push. 

Good for you. But the reality for most of us is that we don't have any other choice but to rely of forum suggestions and youtube demos. Most people don't have access to the gear they want to try without actually committing to buy it. Not all of us live in LA where the luxury exists to try things before buying them like you have.
I hate to be a shill for Lonnie, but if you have a chance to attend the LA Amp Show...

I don't. And nor do I care that I don't. Most of us don't. The fact that there's a show going on in LA bears no relevance to me whatsoever. I wish it could, but it just doesn't.

Stop recommending people to attend LA shows or talk about LA guitar stores as hardly any of us live anywhere near LA. Do you seriously expect someone who lives in the UK like me to take several days off work to fly to LA just to attend an amp show? What makes you think such a suggestion is in any way realistic?

That said, I don't think you quite understand the ergonomics of the Helix. It's not a changing colors thing, nor do you have to remember what they mean. The colors DO change, mostly to remind you that you've actually made the transition into the looper, say, or that you've got the next item loaded up and ready to go as you intended. It's a major step up from a glowing LED in the dark that says that you've activated the switch (or not). 

That's just the way I like to think of it. At least it was when I tried out the Spider V, which goes off the same idea of using colours to represent effects.
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#23
The AX8 is fantastic. Not sure where dspellman is getting info on that. The Helix is good too; I went to a live demo of it and it did sound good. The ability to load IRs brought Line6 a big way forward. I also like some of its features like the screen and the FX loops.

But in my experience (owned an Axe FX 2 XL+, have demo'd and AX8 (may order one), and heard the Helix live) the Fractal stuff sounds noticeably better. The Helix and Axe FX both use dual processors but the ones in the Axe are waaaay more powerful. The AX8 doesn't have as much processing power as the Axe FX either but I *think* it has more or the same as Helix.

But hey, if you don't like the AX8, that's cool too. Again, I thought the Helix did sound good. I haven't heard the Amplifire in person but it does sound good in demos.
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#24
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
Good for you. But the reality for most of us is that we don't have any other choice but to rely of forum suggestions and youtube demos. Most people don't have access to the gear they want to try without actually committing to buy it. Not all of us live in LA where the luxury exists to try things before buying them like you have.

I don't. And nor do I care that I don't. Most of us don't. The fact that there's a show going on in LA bears no relevance to me whatsoever. I wish it could, but it just doesn't.

Stop recommending people to attend LA shows or talk about LA guitar stores as hardly any of us live anywhere near LA. Do you seriously expect someone who lives in the UK like me to take several days off work to fly to LA just to attend an amp show? What makes you think such a suggestion is in any way realistic?


That's just the way I like to think of it. At least it was when I tried out the Spider V, which goes off the same idea of using colours to represent effects.


hey man there's an amp show in new jersey. that's way closer to you.
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#25
Honestly, if something can't sound good on a demo, then there's a problem. Can you guys really have trouble telling tone quality from a you tube video? These products all have professionally made demos and reviews.

The op clearly has his mind set on the helix - so just buy it and test it.
#26
Have used both and the difference is really going to be whichever has the interface you find easier to use. Both produce sounds that are incredibly usable.
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#27
I started out with a Axe Fx Ultra upgraded to the II XL. I now own a Helix Floor. The only thing I miss on the Axe is the reverbs. Much happier with the Helix I can honestly say.
#28
Quote by reverb66
The AX 8 is cheaper than the the Helix. It's 1299 us - check their website.


And in order to compare it to the Helix, you need an expression pedal and cable. The AX8 is made of folded metal like the Helix LT, the Helix of castings. The Helix goes on from there; the AX8 really doesn't compare to the Helix when it comes to screen, switching, I/O and so much more.
#29
Quote by reverb66
Honestly, if something can't sound good on a demo, then there's a problem. Can you guys really have trouble telling tone quality from a you tube video?


I can tell tone quality from an in person run of each one. I've worked with both.
#30
Quote by dspellman
the AX8 really doesn't compare to the Helix when it comes to screen, switching, I/O and so much more.

Agree- Helix has by far the best UI etc., I was just pointing out that Ax has an affordable option which may or may not sound better, despite less features.  He's comparing a$3000 Ax setup to the Helix, but it makes more sense to compare Ax's competing product, which would be the Ax 8.  Personally, I would want to compare them side by side because  if the Helix can sound as good, then it's the clear winner. Just being able to assign names to the switches is really a massive benefit because those multi switch boards are a nightmare. The screen on the Ax8 is terrible as well. 
#31
Quote by reverb66
Agree- Helix has by far the best UI etc., I was just pointing out that Ax has an affordable option which may or may not sound better, despite less features.  He's comparing a$3000 Ax setup to the Helix, but it makes more sense to compare Ax's competing product, which would be the Ax 8.  Personally, I would want to compare them side by side because  if the Helix can sound as good, then it's the clear winner. Just being able to assign names to the switches is really a massive benefit because those multi switch boards are a nightmare. The screen on the Ax8 is terrible as well. 


I've got the big board for my older Axe, with bits of tape all over it.

I actually preferred the Pod "bean" with a Shortboard over the "live" type all-in-one pedal unit for a long time. I'd put the bean itself up a stand in the backline so that I could glance at its screen nearer my face rather than having to get down on hands and knees and squint at the one on the pedal bit.
#32
dspellman First thing I ever did on my PODHD500 was wipe the presets.6BQ5 With the multi fx loops I'd probably run one of those new Boss RV-500 or a Strymon Big Sky.
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#33
I owned Axe FX II Mark II, Helix and Amplifire.  All great modelers.  Sold Axe FX and Amplifire, kept the Helix for many of the reasons already stated.  Helix and Ownhammer IRs sound excellent.  Still have Mesa and Supro amps as I love a good natural amp sound, but really enjoy the Helix's variety of tonal options.
#35
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
Good for you. But the reality for most of us is that we don't have any other choice but to rely of forum suggestions and youtube demos. Most people don't have access to the gear they want to try without actually committing to buy it. Not all of us live in LA where the luxury exists to try things before buying them like you have.

I don't. And nor do I care that I don't. Most of us don't. The fact that there's a show going on in LA bears no relevance to me whatsoever. I wish it could, but it just doesn't.

Stop recommending people to attend LA shows or talk about LA guitar stores as hardly any of us live anywhere near LA. Do you seriously expect someone who lives in the UK like me to take several days off work to fly to LA just to attend an amp show? What makes you think such a suggestion is in any way realistic?



First, if you're in or around LA, that suggestion is seriously realistic. People come from all over the planet to go to Winter NAMM and to the various AMP shows.

I'm not expecting the 15-year old newbs to be there. I can't help someone who lives in the UK or Croatia or South Africa other than to let them know that a lot of YouTube videos are pretty freakin' useless and to give them an opinion based on personal interaction with the gizmos mentioned. And to let them know that simply saying something like "It has dual DSPs, too" doesn't mean anything at all when the DSPs are completely different and when they don't do the same things from one unit to the other. And to point out that the AX-8 is much less than half an Axe-FX (you really can't run two completely separate rigs on the AX8, for example, as you can on the mothership Axe).

Most Youtube videos don't do a great job of illustrating how much the ergonomic factors make a a huge difference in your ability to *use* the various features of each particular modeler. So many folks buy an expensive modeler and then use only a couple of existing presets because the process of building their own is just too complicated. They don't use the various options because accessing them is a PIA. You just don't get that from a YouTube review done by someone who's had the thing for a week.

And finally, an awful lot of the great sounds from Axe, Kemper, Helix, Amplifire Two-Notes gear and other newish modelers are due to their ability to work with IRs, including freely shared IRs and commercially available versions. So much of what you're going to hear sound wise depends on the ability of the amplification system and speakers down the line to really hear what's going on. If you're listening to a YouTube demo on a set of four buck earbuds, you generally have no idea what it's really going to sound like.
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#37
Mobile app is fucking up...

Thought you were never going to answer that...

You are preaching to the choir. I know YouTube sucks. I know SoundCloud sucks. But everything i have said in that previous post still stands. The fact remains that they are the only practical options most people in the world have. Most people do not have the time or the resources to travel to the other side of he world to demo them.
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And well yes, I'll enjoy the carpal tunnel and tendonitis, because trying to get one is clearly smarter than any word you have spoken thus far.
#38
I had issues with owning the HD500 for 5 years. I like some L5 stuff, like the DL4, M9, and my Variax Acoustic. But I bought an AX8. No pretty flashing lights or 'get your tonez fast, dude' promises will sway me toward a Helix. 
I can get the sounds I need very quickly on an AX8. I am not afraid of programming. 
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#40
Quote by pinheadslts75
Don't commit the sin of Line 6 unless you like shit breaking when it's least convenient.


I haven't had that issue through several iterations of Line 6 Pod and the current Helix, as well as Shortboards and FBV Express foot pedals, four Variax guitars and a G90 wireless setup over a 12-year period, despite some pretty hard use.

I also have to say that my Axe Ultra has been pretty consistent, as has the foot pedal.

"Shit breaks when it's least convenient," but so far it's been pieces from other brands (and sometimes through my own fault).
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