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Let the child die in peace
23 92%
Try to keep the child alive
2 8%
Voters: 25.
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#1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4709122/US-expert-fails-Charlie-s-doctors-reconsider.html

Charlie Gard is given US citizenship by congress so 'he can fly to America for treatment'


What do you think about this issue? Should they just let the child die despite his physical condition or are the parents right in trying out experimental treatment on him in order to keep him alive?

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#2
You know when someone has a really ill/old pet and they're just keeping it alive for themselves?
#3
put the kid down

but if some guys in america want to pay for some untested treatment, likely because they just want to show up the NHS, then they should be able to go for it if the other option is giving up. I felt the same about that other family before who wanted to take their kid to some eastern european clinic, as long as the NHS ain't paying for it and there isn't some clear child abuse going on, let them go.


also lol @ anyone trying to cuss out GOSH, they are pretty much seen as saints here and get all the donations.
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#4
give this beautiful little boy the experimental medication it's what GOD would have wanted
#6
He can't breathe, swallow, see, hear, move, make any noise or cry and is (obviously) severely brain damaged.  

I mean, I'm not a parent so have no idea how I'd feel, but yeah. What are they really hoping to get out of it?  On a human level though, they're parents and are being told to kill their child. 
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#12
i mean i'm not about to read a daily mail article but last i checked it was unknown whether he could feel pain

so basically it's a gamble of either keeping him alive is an act of cruelty or it's a futile waste of hospitals' resources
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#13
It makes sense to from a research point of view to learn more about his condition, but it could be cruel to make him live through that.

But being honest, I'd trust Great Ormond Street's decision. I really doubt that they would've taken the decision to let a child die lightly.
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#14
I feel like the parents are just delaying the inevitable. Even if treatment works, what kind of life is it going to have? A very shit one. 

Seems like it would be best to let it die and make another baby instead
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He can't breathe, swallow, see, hear, move, make any noise or cry and is (obviously) severely brain damaged.  

I mean, I'm not a parent so have no idea how I'd feel, but yeah. What are they really hoping to get out of it?  On a human level though, they're parents and are being told to kill their child. 

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#16
Why does he need to be alive when he cant experience anything ? Just think about it. What purpose will his life have if he does miraculousy survive? Survival of the fittest. Not everyone is supposed to survive the odds. I'm not one of those "humans are playing the god card" types, but this really is one of this situations.
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I feel like the parents are just delaying the inevitable. Even if treatment works, what kind of life is it going to have? A very shit one. 

Seems like it would be best to let it die and make another baby instead

I think the problem is the money was raised to give it a shot. Originally, the option to try was blocked. I mean, if someone has a chance at life with an experimental treatment, what's left to lose? I mean, the odds aren't good anyway on survival, so why the hell not? I totally understand insurance or the hospital saying they are at the limitations of what they can do. I don't understand them coming out and saying something can't be tried, not they're unable to do it or can't cover it.  
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#20
i'm not a parent so i can't comment on what the parents are going through and their decision etc etc

but politically this is such a dickmove for america. trying to assert a moral and medical superiority like this is ethically messed up
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#21
He's effectively brain dead, and keeping him alive is inhumane imo.

That said it the experimental research might give us a better understanding of his condition, but I'm aware there's huge ethical issues seeing it'd be using him like a lab rat.

It's very sad but I think he should be allowed to die peacefully, and all the people saying "but this highly experimental, untested treatment could work" are naive. If gosh have said its best to let him pass away then it's probably for the best
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He's effectively brain dead, and keeping him alive is inhumane imo.

That said it the experimental research might give us a better understanding of his condition, but I'm aware there's huge ethical issues seeing it'd be using him like a lab rat.

It's very sad but I think he should be allowed to die peacefully, and all the people saying "but this highly experimental, untested treatment could work" are naive. If gosh have said its best to let him pass away then it's probably for the best

It's like people believe that the doctors there - particularly the ones who would have formed the ethics committee(s) that discussed the case - decided it would be opposites day or something when they made their decisions.
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#23
I think the American doctor should be ashamed. Charging thousands of dollars for a treatment that is 90% likely to have no effect at all and if it is successful, will only prevent any deterioration.

I feel sorry for the parents.
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#24
this reminds me of this awful feelgood story i read a while back.

infant gets shook up by dad, brain damage, mom keeps the kid alive for 20 years despite his brain/mind never developing past infancy.

and the mom was talking about how he "taught them to love" or some shit.

i don't care if it's insensitive: your adjacent-to-brain dead child is about on par with an anime body pillow.
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#25
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I think the problem is the money was raised to give it a shot. Originally, the option to try was blocked. I mean, if someone has a chance at life with an experimental treatment, what's left to lose? I mean, the odds aren't good anyway on survival, so why the hell not? I totally understand insurance or the hospital saying they are at the limitations of what they can do. I don't understand them coming out and saying something can't be tried, not they're unable to do it or can't cover it.  


ethics, clinical trial practise etc.

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#26
you guys know that episode of american dad where Stan can't let their dog die after it gets hit by a car and it ends up a horrifying walking dead frankenstein's monster
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#27
I have no idea whattup, but I just had a read about the kid in another article


Like seriously, what is the point of him being alive?


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#29
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#30
It's not banter.

Stop.
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can you not hijack my thread about a serious issue with your attention seeking thank you.

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#32
>Thinks he understands banter
>"Friendly harmless bants"

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#34
Charlie Gard sounds like the name of a PI in a black and white movie. "Charlie Gard here, on the scene to solve this case". Guy could grow up to be the Helen Keller of investigative journalism, and might even figure out why the brits are so heartless.
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Charlie Gard sounds like the name of a PI in a black and white movie. "Charlie Gard here, on the scene to solve this case". Guy could grow up to be the Helen Keller of investigative journalism, and might even figure out why the brits are so heartless.


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#37
National Health Service

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#39
I think the parents are holding onto hope and feel obligated to try any and everything to keep their child alive, possibly out of fear of guilt if they do not.

This child should be allowed to die in peace and not become the subject of a medical experiment when it seems obvious that, even if he were to survive, he will never have any real quality of life.
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#40
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I think the American doctor should be ashamed. Charging thousands of dollars for a treatment that is 90% likely to have no effect at all and if it is successful, will only prevent any deterioration.

I feel sorry for the parents.
Thats true of all medical treatments, and they all cost something, so you just think everything should be free? Time, resources and labor be damned? Such a stupid outlook.

It's the parents' right to try and do everything they can to keep their kid alive, and there's few people here who have the life experience to speak to that. At any rate, the experimental procedures may add to the limited knowledge of treatment for his condition and medical knowledge generally, so I would say it's never unethical to try.


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