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#41
What about when you are in my situation, when you crit around 4 or 5 people's songs that have crit 4 crit in the thread title, and I don't get any replies at all even though I leave a link in my post? Is my music really that bad? Maybe I'll take it as a compliment that nobody can find fault with my music. Yet if that is the case, why don't I have a recording contract and millions of dollars? I get the same thing in the songwriting and lyrics forum. I put alot of time and effort into my music and lyrics people!

In short- will someone please give me validation.
#42
The crit for crit should be changed to " If you scratch my back i'll scratch yours".
Few people care about the music , they just want to be critted so they post a reply and their song in request to crit them back . but what happens if a song sucks ass and you crit honestly ? i mean to post that it sucks and then post your song ? I'll tell you what happens , he won't crit back cause you gave him / her an honest crit and not a fake good one , I mean , telling him that the song rules although it sucks. So that means that if the person doesnt get a good reply with good words he won't even open the thread to see the song you made.
So therefore the person doesnt crit and the ug'ers have to post a fake good reply in order to get a crit from the person with the crappy song , meaning that the person critting your crappy song doesnt care about the music nor about the effort you gave in making that song.
So what should we do?
there is ofcourse the possibility to leave a good comment with all the details and the person you critted doesnt crit back . What do you do? you cant post a second reply requesting a critique cause that's totally gay .
Take my words into consideration and reply to me with a complete answer.

PS . People here making music depend on the opinion of others . Giving false hope and fake crits is preposterous.
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#43
Quote by Necrolust
The crit for crit should be changed to " If you scratch my back i'll scratch yours".
Few people care about the music , they just want to be critted so they post a reply and their song in request to crit them back . but what happens if a song sucks ass and you crit honestly ? i mean to post that it sucks and then post your song ? I'll tell you what happens , he won't crit back cause you gave him / her an honest crit and not a fake good one , I mean , telling him that the song rules although it sucks. So that means that if the person doesnt get a good reply with good words he won't even open the thread to see the song you made.
So therefore the person doesnt crit and the ug'ers have to post a fake good reply in order to get a crit from the person with the crappy song , meaning that the person critting your crappy song doesnt care about the music nor about the effort you gave in making that song.
So what should we do?
there is ofcourse the possibility to leave a good comment with all the details and the person you critted doesnt crit back . What do you do? you cant post a second reply requesting a critique cause that's totally gay .
Take my words into consideration and reply to me with a complete answer.

PS . People here making music depend on the opinion of others . Giving false hope and fake crits is preposterous.

well honest people would give the negatives and the positives, and help out the threadstarter instead of just saying what they thought. Like saying, "you did this well, and you did this well, you need to work a bit on this and this, here are some lessons from ug that would help."
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#44
oops, sorry. im new to this, i didnt know posting on my own thread would make it come to the top, i wont do it again. but hey, now i know!
#45
There's a real problem at the moment with people posting a bare bones "crit" in someone's thread when they blatantly haven't even listened, and then expect a crit in return. That's really not on. If you want to be part of the community then give as well as take.
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#46
when do these rules go into effect because if u look at the orginial recordings section there is one member who has done this a number of times n his songs are still at the top
#47
That happens to me all the time,

then there are other situations.

Like if your not allowed to download music from dmusic and stuff then its hard to give them a crit (this has never been the case for me) but I imagine it is a problem to some. Thats why it's better to put your song somewhere like myspace or a personal website where you song can be played right there
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#48
Theres a differenence between "OMFG YOU SUCK SO MUCH THROW THIS IN THE TRASH!%$#!^!"

and "Thats needs some improving...you could do something at the 20 sec mark...."

stuff like that. False hope doesn't mean burning there hope too ashes, its discouraging and stufff.
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#49
Well, to deal with this problem, if someone gives me a bare bones crit, I just don't crit back. If they want a crit, they should put the effort in to find something to improve on.
#50
^ exactly. My threads with my songs in em go extinct in like 12 hours with 1 or 2 crits in them. Bullshit, I definately know that my songs deserve more.
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#51
i hate people that will go in and just go 'that was great i loved riff 4 crit mine www.ult....'

god thats annoying especially if you go into a thread and make a detailed crit and then you see people above you with them bent ass crits and the TS still crits them back so as not to be an ass. like if someone crits a song of mine like thats and asks for a return crit, i will do it so as not to appear a dickhead but its really pisses me off
#52
No no the best ones are "I liked it. Crit mine?" or "Nice! Crit mine?"

To those, I don't give a crit back at all. I just ignore the post. Now, if they at least show that they actually listened to the song, I will give a crit back, whether or not it was helpful, just out of common courtesy.
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#53
Quote by Necrolust
The crit for crit should be changed to " If you scratch my back i'll scratch yours".
Few people care about the music , they just want to be critted so they post a reply and their song in request to crit them back . but what happens if a song sucks ass and you crit honestly ? i mean to post that it sucks and then post your song ? I'll tell you what happens , he won't crit back cause you gave him / her an honest crit and not a fake good one , I mean , telling him that the song rules although it sucks. So that means that if the person doesnt get a good reply with good words he won't even open the thread to see the song you made.
So therefore the person doesnt crit and the ug'ers have to post a fake good reply in order to get a crit from the person with the crappy song , meaning that the person critting your crappy song doesnt care about the music nor about the effort you gave in making that song.
So what should we do?
there is ofcourse the possibility to leave a good comment with all the details and the person you critted doesnt crit back . What do you do? you cant post a second reply requesting a critique cause that's totally gay .
Take my words into consideration and reply to me with a complete answer.

PS . People here making music depend on the opinion of others . Giving false hope and fake crits is preposterous.


Ahh, I think that you are right, but It can be a challenge seeing as there are so many different ranges of skill amongst the forumers, don't worry I know you're right, but sometimes I feel bad for some of the guitar players who may have very potential, but can't give adequate reviews to those better than them, and may get information from the wrong people, and thus never get assistance in improving, I know that It might sound strange, but I feel like for a while this happened to me.

So I'd suggest to some of the more gifted players out there, Throw some dogs a bone! there's are some players on here that have GREAT potential, and maybe we should all just share wisdom a little more loosely from time to time.

No false modesty either, I don't think it's condescending to give advice to anyone if you can hear obvious problems, that you in your history of playing have corrected yourself....

HOpe I don't sound lame, just I think there are some people who could use some valuble critiques...
#54
i try to give honest crits. sometimes (with necrolusts stuff) it's hard to give a decent crit, because it all sounds flippin' awsome. but, especially with nubes, i try to use a gentle touch.
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#55
i must say i have been critting a few peoples songs and havent gotten any crits back after a few days. i must i did bump my thread (i hadnt really read these rules, even though i know you should read the rules and i know thats no excuse.) i was hoping an apology here would make up for it, so for what its worth, im sorry.
theres also someone who keeps spamming my thread telling me not to bump. which doesnt make any sense.
#56
would it be considered wrong to say i have a thread and gotten some comments on the track, some ON thread, others in profile, (i also try to crit, so im not that guy) but i did the track with distortion now as a lot of people seemed to say i should try, and id like to put it back up to have them or others decide if this is better or worse, etc and make a new thread for the second version rather then posting in my own...probably a dumb question but dont wanna make it look like im tryin to loop hole the rules by making a new thread, so what would i do in this situation?
#57
^ as long as you're in the 2 songs per 7 day rule... I wouldn't have a problem with a new thread on it.

If you were trying to "tweak" a song for a specific sound... I would suggest putting it in the same thread... if you were at the 2 song limit. If not, then just post a link from one thread to another so people can figure out what you're trying to do.
#58
I'll find this whole thing about critting riddiculous, i'm not long a member here
and in the beginning a critted many people here on their music, that same people
not critted back, to be honest i didn't read any rules at the beginning..

I find that people have to choose freely to crit someone's music, otherwise it's
like saying, i give you a lolly but you have to give me one back.. childisch
people have to come back with there own energy to do something then acting
lazy and to do everything by the book.. by the way i don't give a damn here
already anymore..

i'm done with this
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#59
^ Wow... who peed in your Corn Flakes?

The C4C thing is a courtesy to some people, but I feel it should be the way it used to be. If you wanted to critique a song... you di. If you didn't... oh well.

Regardless, I think you feel as though you've been slighted somehow. You gave out critiques and didn't receive any?

Sorry, but it does happen sometimes. Just relax and try to have a good time.
#60
Thanks bill,

you now how to cheer people up, i'm mostly a positive guy but sometimes
i have to react negative because i'm a human too hahaha

thanks man
#61
So instead of bumping our thread, since we can't.
We should just a create a new one if we have no option that way we can spam up the forums even more!

Is this what you want us to do?
#63
arghh, recently i put up a couple of threads, (in the past month) and on the last one, i critted every thread on the front page with less than 5 crits (which was more than half, took me forever) and each one was a solid paragraph or two per song, not negative but helpful, and the only thing i get back is one crit that says "nice job"

what the hell, people? i think if i consistently crit lots of people in high detail and leave links i should at least get most back.


oh, and another thing on the topic of bumping. recently i have had a few people return crits to me, but post it on their own thread instead of mine. no huge deal if its accidental, a crit is a crit. but if it lets my thread fade away while pushing theirs to the top, its not really fair.
dont know if there is a rule about that.
#64
Wish people would F'ing honour these C4C's....why put it on your thread title if you're not actually gonna return it. C U N T S!
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#65
Yea I agree to that, I make sure of it to always crit back,......
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#66
gotta love it when you crit somone who has C4C in their title, and they write back. In their own thread. About their own song.

Get the f*ck over yourself. You don't have a record deal. Your music is hardly worth listening to. Thats why we're all here...

f*ckin people...
#67
I am new to forums and did not know about the "thank you" part.
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#69
i strictly keep my c4c word, and hope everyone else does. however, i'm curious; can you bump your thread if you updated the music? for example, i added a newer version of the song. i should edit the thread, and not add a new reply, right? or is bumping ok in this situation


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#72
Oh my god, Ive critted, with at least a whole paragraph about 6 songs in the last 24 hours, I've had one reply, and that guy didn't even listen to the song anyway. On one crit the TS even replied to my comment, but didn't C4C, wtf?

I've listened to all these peoples songs given honest criticisms, that have taken me some time to write, I've said what worked what didn't, where they could improve. etc.

None of the comments I've had on my songs even relate to the track, I'm guessing they didn't even bother to listen.

I hate to come across as a whinging noob, but from what I've seen the c4c system isn't working.
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#73
is it appropriate to report for some one if they post a crit4crit, you crit (rather thouroughly) them and they dont crit you in return?
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#74
Well this explains why i'm not getting any feedback
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#75
i was thinking we could make a group and everyone interested in "C4C"ing could join, and a have a nice/naughty list there .
but one question. what do you do if (repetedly) it happens that you crit someone's work and you don't receive any crits back(after you've waited a while of course)?
#76
Quote by CHOCOmoney
is it appropriate to report for some one if they post a crit4crit, you crit (rather thouroughly) them and they dont crit you in return?


Hang on, they just post "c4c", then you crit them and they don't crit you at all?

That's just weird. Or beyond lazy.
#77
Does anyone else think that people need to include the genres in the thread titles more often?
#79
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmcrits!

Just to reiterate...

1- MAKE SURE YOU ADD LINKS TO YOU THREADS!
(People have a bad habit of "errrr....should be top of my profile")

2- SOMETIMES RETURNING A CRIT TAKES DAYS FOR SOME PEOPLE.

3- LIVE AND LEARN, KEEP YOUR OWN "NAUGHTY/NICE" LIST
(an "official" one wouldn't work, too many people drop off the face of the planet for weeks at a time)

4- BE SELECTIVE OF WHO YOU CRIT!
(critting someone who has a vid of themselves just shredding on YouTube is not likely to crit back, stick with critting actual SONGS)

5- TRY TO HAVE YOUR SONG ON YOUR UG PROFILE OR AS MP3.
(GP files, Soundclick.com, MySpace...ect, Doesn't work for everyone. Upload it to UG and no one will have a prob hearing it.)

6- RATE SONGS ON UG PROFILES.
(or try to leave a comment at least. Some people check their PF but forget to check their threads.)

7- CRIT SIMILAR GENRES.
(When I wanted crits for my piano song, I searched for other piano-like shit)

and finally...
DON'T JUST CRIT THE FRONT PAGE!!!
(You'd be surprised how fast some will crit back)

#80
Couldn't you guys add some rules on the front page on how to crit. Because Funkytonkys for instance clearly don't know how to crit. Also, there seem to be very few that crits "unprovoked", meaning they only crit back. There's only 1 out of 7 that critted mine who did it "unprovoked". And that guy didn't even crit, he just said, "Yeah I too thought he did a good job...".

Sorry if this is just a rant, but it has always been in both this and in the T&C forum that nearly all my crits were repays of C4C's.

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So instead of bumping our thread, since we can't.
We should just a create a new one if we have no option that way we can spam up the forums even more!

Is this what you want us to do?


No, you should post a detailed crit on other people's threads. Then they'll return the favor; simple as pie.

EDIT: Oops, I didn't see that the post I quoted was more than 2 years old.
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