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xsanatariumx
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#1
I plat alot of Pantera, Metallica, BLS, and other assorted metal I want a tube amp that is gonna sound good for giggin this style of music...I also really enjoy softer classical stuff too though so its gonna be warm sounding as well I want to know how much itll cost to get the Head, and Cab , orrr if its a combo how much the combo will be thanks
Mascot
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#2
Uhh, obviously some type of fairly expensive botique amp that'll run you around $2500 for the head and cab.

ENGL, Bogner, Soldano, VHT, Diezel, and other amps of that sort.
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#3
peavey triple xxx head, is one of the heaviest
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#4
mesa!!!
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xsanatariumx
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#5
Ok you guys are naming off random brands again such as mesa and peavey ... how many watts ..what do they go for CDN ??... are they good for gigging How much are they gonna cost me...?
GuitarN00b
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#6
sheesh mascot - i see you give a lot of responses, but not an incredible amount of good answers...

i do know that the dimebag uses randall warheads - those might be worth a look
although not really the same style, i'm a big fan of Peavey XXX and the Peavey 6505 series amps.

EDIT: just saw the price thing...
the Peavey XXX (w/ accompanying cab) goes for about...$1500 i'm guessing - the Peavey 6505 might be a bit more
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#7
First, tell us how much you can spend, then we can guide you towards some amps.
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#8
a ss amp will do distortion very well, better than a lot of tube amps twice their price. but you also like smoother stuff which is a tube amp quality no doubt so i would get a pevy xxx and a distortion pedal for metal
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Mascot
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#9
Originally posted by GuitarN00b
sheesh mascot - i see you give a lot of responses, but not an incredible amount of good answers...

i do know that the dimebag uses randall warheads - those might be worth a look
although not really the same style, i'm a big fan of Peavey XXX and the Peavey 6505 series amps.

EDIT: just saw the price thing...
the Peavey XXX (w/ accompanying cab) goes for about...$1500 i'm guessing - the Peavey 6505 might be a bit more


What do you mean? He asked for an amp that was good for metal, so I gave him a few brands that makes amazing hi-gain amps. Then he asked for a price, so I gave him a price on them.

Whats wrong with me response.

I'm dissapointed in myself.
xsanatariumx
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#10
okay haha my price range is about 1000-1300 CDN and yes i was looking at the warhead and loved it but u urself Crunch said Im better off getting a tube or a bandit cuz most SS amps lose there tone at about 5 but the Bandit can go to about 7 thats why im lookin for tube...but im still very interested in the Warheads i lllovvee there tone
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#11
Originally posted by Mascot
What do you mean? He asked for an amp that was good for metal, so I gave him a few brands that makes amazing hi-gain amps. Then he asked for a price, so I gave him a price on them.

Whats wrong with me response.

I'm dissapointed in myself.


well, at $2500, the amp better be able to make some nice sounding noise...
isn't it pretty obvious that an amp at that price would be at least decent?
xxgenocide98xx
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#12
Originally posted by greatone_12
a ss amp will do distortion very well, better than a lot of tube amps twice their price. but you also like smoother stuff which is a tube amp quality no doubt so i would get a pevy xxx and a distortion pedal for metal


XXX are tube amps, general concensious is that distortion pedals + tube amps = hang yourself.


Laney, Marshall JCMs with overdrive pedals (maybe more than one, perhaps) before preamp, and Peavey are all good for cheap alternatives..

VH100r and GH50L/100L (i think thats the model) for Laney, around 600(GH-50L)-1200(VH100r) for the head.

JCM800 and 900 for Marshall, overdrives like Tubescreamer and DOD-250 are my favorite overdrives for starters.. anywhere from $500(jcm900) to $1000(jcm800 dual channel w/ reverb) and aorund 50-200 a pop for overdrives.

JSX (can be used for some more melodic metal) XXX, 5150/5150II for Peavey. 5150s and XXX go for around 600-700, 5150II are around 800ish and the JSX are about 1000 ish used.

Hand Wired/Botique amps:

Deizel: Just about anything...
Bogner: Extacy and Ubershall are insane.
ENGL: Savage 120, Powerball, Fireball
Mesa/Boogie dual/triple rectifiers, Stilettos(I put these here because they are in the same price range)
Soldano SLO

Thats just about it for amps.. as you can see there are two distinct classes, for the second set of amps, expect to pay at least $2,000 USD for most (except recitifers) new, and you're lucky to find them used. The first set of amps are relatively common, come in both combos and heads, and you can pick up under $1200 for a head, around 700 for a combo.

Whoever said that stuff ot mascot was really rude, he answered the question rather well.

All figures in USD, convert to canadian accordingly. best bang for the buck: VH100r, 5150II, ENGL Powerball. I know from experience the ENGL and the Laney have excellent clean channels, the 5150II has a better than average clean, as well.

Edit: I saw your price range of around 1000 USD and all I can say is that you can't get much for 'best metal amp' at a range like that. Look for VH100r, and Peavey 5150IIs. I saw a vh100r half stack for like $1000 USD on ebay, so good luck on that one.
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Mascot
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#13
Well, if he was asking here, I would assume he isn't a amp guru, and believe me, I though Marshalls were the highest gain amps ever until I came onto UG.

If he is asking for a good hi-gain tube amp, I'm gonna start naming names.

For your price range, I would look into Peavey XXX, Peavey 5150/6505, and probably my favorites out of the ones I'm going to suggest, the Laney VH100R and the Laney GH100L.
xsanatariumx
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#15
which one of those peaveys is known as the Bandit ???...everyone keeps talkin about the bandit but i dont know which amp it is thanks for all the advice u guys odds are im gonna go with a peavey or the warhead
xsanatariumx
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#17
I dont really know its just that Crunch and alot of others were talkin about them and they seemed like a really good versatile amp.. I really would like a tube but if there outta my price range then im not gonna stress out over it majorly ...so im just chekin all my options
jammin
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#18
What's with all the Bandit hype around here? I've played one before, it wasn't anything special IMO.
GuitarN00b
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#19
the thing about the peavey bandit is you can prolly get older ones for about $70 used - VERY good deal

what amp are you using now? have you considered saving up a little more...about $500 more, and going for your dream amp instead of taking stops along the way?
Mascot
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#20
Originally posted by GuitarN00b
the thing about the peavey bandit is you can prolly get older ones for about $70 used - VERY good deal

what amp are you using now? have you considered saving up a little more...about $500 more, and going for your dream amp instead of taking stops along the way?


He's right. You don't want to have a small little SS practice amp, and then move up to a slightly larger SS amp thats a few more watts louder. It's just stupid.

Go for something that'll last you, because if you don't, I guarantee you're going to want to sell the Bandit and move on next year.
xsanatariumx
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#21
You know what ur all right I should look into something with alot more power or more versatilily...Right now ive got a Line6 Spider II 75 watt the presets are okay but once u go past 6 the sound goes bad
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#22
Go for a tube amp. They sound better when you turn them up.
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#23
A few suggestions...

Marshall JCM 800 - With an overdrive pedal, it's got to be the best Marshall for metal. Although known to be single channel amps, many dual channel versions have been going on Ebay lately. An amp very rich in mid-range, but very warm and smooth sounding. Think Maiden, Priest, BLS, Slayer, etc. They all used this amp at one point or still do. If you want a scooped sound, get an EQ pedal for it. It's basically the "classic" metal amp.

Mesa Boogie F-50 - Some people say they're the weakest thing boogie has to offer, but I still like them. Rediculously loud, heavy crunch, and a very good clean channel. I saw a used head at a guitar center for $700.

Mesa Boogie Rectifiers - Awesome amps. Really, really loud, tons of gain and bottom end. Best geared for a more modern kind of tone IMO, but it'll give you all the crunch you want, and then some.

The only Peavey amp I could recommend that I've played is the transtube bandit. I haven't played the 5150/6505, which many people like, but I played a XXX and didn't really like it that much.

Also, for a hell of a lot of money, there's always botique stuff: Soldano, ENGL, Bogner, Framus, Diezel. Stuff like that.
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#24
actually, i don think the bandit is a bad amp at all

anad something just occured to me - why do you want a stack?
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#25
Peavey 5150
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#26
no no no no i dont want a stack im looking for a halfstack or a combo around 150 watts SS or 80-100 watts Tube...
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#27
well, based on how much you know, i would say you probably don't need a stack (or a halfstack) - but don't take that wrong, i really don't know about your needs in an amp

i believe the Peavey 6505 combo is just around $1k USD, and it's 60W tube through 2 speakers
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#28
You can get 5150(old version of the 6505, exact same amp just different name to avoid copyright on the eddie van halen name.) combos in the USA used for around 400, i saw one in the paper the other day..

Personally I didn't really like the JCM800 I played, it didn't sound defined enough, thten again the volume was really low... so who knows?

I'd stick with Laney and Peavey for a cheaper high-gain tube amp..

Peavey bandits are great practice amps but I can't see someone using it for anything more really.
GuitarN00b
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#29
i don't remember the exact wattage of the peavey bandit, but it's certainly more than can be reasonably used for bedroom practice...

and as to the used 5150...that's prolly a rare gem - i've never seen them go for that cheap
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#30
peaver and or mesa...but a good modeling amp can get you hardcore tones too
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#31
mesa single rec or dual with cab, end of story
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#32
Now is not a good time to be buying 5150's on ebay, they're going for more than they ever have.
HopePoisoned
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#33
Originally posted by Mascot
Uhh, obviously some type of fairly expensive botique amp that'll run you around $2500 for the head and cab.

ENGL, Bogner, Soldano, VHT, Diezel, and other amps of that sort.


genious



Originally posted by xxgenocide98xx
XXX are tube amps, general concensious is that distortion pedals + tube amps = hang yourself.


Laney, Marshall JCMs with overdrive pedals (maybe more than one, perhaps) before preamp, and Peavey are all good for cheap alternatives..

VH100r and GH50L/100L (i think thats the model) for Laney, around 600(GH-50L)-1200(VH100r) for the head.

JCM800 and 900 for Marshall, overdrives like Tubescreamer and DOD-250 are my favorite overdrives for starters.. anywhere from $500(jcm900) to $1000(jcm800 dual channel w/ reverb) and aorund 50-200 a pop for overdrives.

JSX (can be used for some more melodic metal) XXX, 5150/5150II for Peavey. 5150s and XXX go for around 600-700, 5150II are around 800ish and the JSX are about 1000 ish used.

Hand Wired/Botique amps:

Deizel: Just about anything...
Bogner: Extacy and Ubershall are insane.
ENGL: Savage 120, Powerball, Fireball
Mesa/Boogie dual/triple rectifiers, Stilettos(I put these here because they are in the same price range)
Soldano SLO

Thats just about it for amps.. as you can see there are two distinct classes, for the second set of amps, expect to pay at least $2,000 USD for most (except recitifers) new, and you're lucky to find them used. The first set of amps are relatively common, come in both combos and heads, and you can pick up under $1200 for a head, around 700 for a combo.

Whoever said that stuff ot mascot was really rude, he answered the question rather well.

All figures in USD, convert to canadian accordingly. best bang for the buck: VH100r, 5150II, ENGL Powerball. I know from experience the ENGL and the Laney have excellent clean channels, the 5150II has a better than average clean, as well.

Edit: I saw your price range of around 1000 USD and all I can say is that you can't get much for 'best metal amp' at a range like that. Look for VH100r, and Peavey 5150IIs. I saw a vh100r half stack for like $1000 USD on ebay, so good luck on that one.


also genious

i love boutique amps, and Laney and some Peaveys


i recommend the Fireball/Powerball, Laney VH100, Bogner Uberschall or Ecstacy, Diezel VH4...
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Last edited by HopePoisoned at May 25, 2005,
DrawArms
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#34
B-52 tube heads, 100w tri rect for $700, all tube
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#35
Originally posted by DrawArms
B-52 tube heads, 100w tri rect for $700, all tube


Do you realize that your opinion has changed four times in the course of one thread?
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#36
ENGL deffinetly, fireball if you want just straight up gain, and heaviness. Powerball if you want to have more options, and still have huge amounts of gain. either are gret choices, just depends what kinda of money you have. Put some high out put pick ups in your guitar and you'll be in heaven(or hell whichever you pefer).
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xsanatariumx
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#37
how much is the fireball and the ENGL ??? ive never even heard of those ...im new to all this stuff, well...brands other than marshall haha
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#39
You have two threads going, asking the same damn question.


WTF.
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xxgenocide98xx
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#40
Originally posted by xsanatariumx
how much is the fireball and the ENGL ??? ive never even heard of those ...im new to all this stuff, well...brands other than marshall haha



You can get used powerballs for around 1800ish, they resell at almost new value. I bought a mint condition powerball for $1565, but i got really lucky. lol

They can do EVERYTHING, though. I can get a 5150 sound, a Marshall JCM sound, a Rectifier sound.. They have TONS of options..

Open/focused mids, bottom boost, and four channels.. clean/crunch/lead soft and lead high...