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maddd0g
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#1
My dads friend is a signed rap artists, and he heard me play and he wants me to come to the studio with him. Does anybody know how to play guitar in a hip hop rap style (if possible). if so give me some example tabs so i can throw down some beats.
P.S. i dont have much taste for Rap (so i dont know much about it, like there is much to know...) and i need some good examples. Pllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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#2
now i hate rap very much, but around here u hear it everywhere, and i was walking down the street and heard out of sum guys car the intro crazy train riff, and than i heard sum guy rap over it, maybe do that? like put some classic riffs into it? idk, i wouldnt, i would feel like im runing it, but im just trying to help
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Listen to the Run Dmc/Aerosmith Version of "Walk This Way". It is the easiest way to get a feel. "Bring the Noise" remake with Public Enemy/Anthrax. I also Reccomend "The Judgement Night" Soundtrack. House of Pain/Helmet have a bad ass song on there.
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#4
i dont think theres a real way or style...i think you should learn a couple of rap hip hop songs in order to get a hld of it...learn some funk cus i noticed a lot of rapers rap with funk if its smooth rap.
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#8
listen to what people have done before like aerosmith, but don't ruin more classic songs like some rappers have done with crazy train and back in black.
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#9
Answer me 1 question,
how many rap songs do you hear with guitars in them?
I'm not talking about remixes, crossovers, rap metal.
Answer me that, and everythign will be sorted.

I'm listenin to some 2Pac right now, no guitar, Fugees, nada.
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#10
he heard u play right??
im sure he couldnt give a rats ass about another funk player. he wants a guy in there is gonna play some good rock riffs something he can lay into a track. they are always biting off old rock songs. it makes it a familiar and still new, that = #1 hit.

just play well, trying to learn a style now could just mess up ur playing.
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I hate when rappers mess up cool songs like ludacris with crazy train. It screws up the space/time continuim!
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Originally posted by AGowans
Answer me 1 question,
how many rap songs do you hear with guitars in them?
I'm not talking about remixes, crossovers, rap metal.
Answer me that, and everythign will be sorted.

I'm listenin to some 2Pac right now, no guitar, Fugees, nada.


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You dont lead a Hip-Hop track with guitar.Hear a couple of songs take em home,by some Modeling eq and ad whatever parts the song needed.
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Originally posted by crazy4slipknot
uuhhh rap and hip hop sucks so dont go


hes making money making music. It doesnt matter what genre hes playing itleast hes making money doing what he loves.

i dont listen to rap, sorry i cant help you.

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#16
listen to "sing for the moment" and 'the real slim shady" both by eminem, sing for the moment has a cool solo at the end, i think by joe perry.
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#17
Originally posted by crazy4slipknot
uuhhh rap and hip hop sucks so dont go


i respect rap artist i dont know enough about what gos into scarthing and others rap technices to say it sucksand doesnt have talent and so forth . i dont listen to rap but i respect rap.

any way i would suggest when the leeve breaks because it has a good beat
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unless ur going to get a sh%tload of money for this, dont do it. its a disgrace to all REAL guitarist...no....REAL musicians on this planet. rap is the lowest form of music you can get into...dont do it unless you are going to gain something that's worth more than a musician's pride (like lots of money or raising money for cancer research or something).
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#19
Originally posted by The Fiddler
unless ur going to get a sh%tload of money for this, dont do it. its a disgrace to all REAL guitarist...no....REAL musicians on this planet. rap is the lowest form of music you can get into...dont do it unless you are going to gain something that's worth more than a musician's pride (like lots of money or raising money for cancer research or something).


haha, not that hes listening to u anyway, but what the hell are u talking about?
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Crapo! i just wrote an awesome response to it then accidently deleted it!
Alright: you should know a bit a about hip hops origins, if not its derived from funk. funk of course is derived from blues, bits of reggae etc. its all in the mix. basically you can play anything ina hip hop song- evena bit of metal solos. its pretty much freestyle. however some guidlines- i wouldnt go in there playing classical guitar on a nylon string and also dont rip off other peoples riffs, theres a whole bunch of copyright around this and i dont know if thats what your uncle (was it your uncle i forgot) really wants.
SO heres my plan: write a riff. just a simple riff, based aroun twelve bar blues that is go from E to A to E then B A E. if oyu dont know your blues look it up on this site, theyll telly ou how to play twelve bar blues. anyway so when youve constructed the riff, mess around with the way you play it. play it faster and staccato- style, it will be a bit funkier if you play it more percussivley. most guitar we play is fluid but hip hop and funk is a bit more percussive. listen to BodyCOunt which is Ice T's band. they did a cover of Hey Joe which is awesome(to all you purists its not rap)
listen to stuff by the neptunes as well. try and get some hip hop beat smaples to play along to. oh another thing muted chords with distortion and wah(Edit: i forgot the wah bit the first time round) are pretty useful for hip hop as they add texture and give it a good rhtyme.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: practise your rhythm: keep in time. hip hop is not a genre you listen to alot by the sounds of it so you might not be used to the beats and such. just practise playing along, and practise your solos

hope that was helpful. if not... meh i tried.
and anyone who disagrees feel free to correct me
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#21
Originally posted by AGowans
Answer me 1 question,
how many rap songs do you hear with guitars in them?
I'm not talking about remixes, crossovers, rap metal.
Answer me that, and everythign will be sorted.

I'm listenin to some 2Pac right now, no guitar, Fugees, nada.

actually i hear a fair bit with guitar in it. mostly as accompanying instruments or to add different tones to it. just gotta broaden your ears.. or whatever.
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#22
Rap guitar is actually very difficult to make. Playing is generally easy. A lot of recording guitarists for rappers are very talented, and if you examine the notes, every single note played has a purpose.
My favorite example is in "Till I Collapse" by Eminem, what a simple guitar riff, it is practically the same as Crazy Train, but it all is in the A scale (If my memory is correct) and the intervals are all great. Come to think of it, the riff is almost exactly the same as crazy train.
Timing is everything, and repeating notes is good, focusing around the root seems to work well too.
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maddd0g
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#23
Thanks for all your feedback!
Originally posted by Liam Alan
Listen to the Run Dmc/Aerosmith Version of "Walk This Way". It is the easiest way to get a feel. "Bring the Noise" remake with Public Enemy/Anthrax. I also Reccomend "The Judgement Night" Soundtrack. House of Pain/Helmet have a bad ass song on there.

Hmmm, ive heard the aerosmith one, will look into the other ones.*starts up limewire*

Originally posted by jj1565
he heard u play right??
im sure he couldnt give a rats ass about another funk player. he wants a guy in there is gonna play some good rock riffs something he can lay into a track. they are always biting off old rock songs. it makes it a familiar and still new, that = #1 hit.

just play well, trying to learn a style now could just mess up ur playing.
Wow, your probably right.

Originally posted by The Fiddler
unless ur going to get a sh%tload of money for this, dont do it. its a disgrace to all REAL guitarist...no....REAL musicians on this planet. rap is the lowest form of music you can get into...dont do it unless you are going to gain something that's worth more than a musician's pride (like lots of money or raising money for cancer research or something).
Grow up.

Originally posted by Steph Bets
Crapo! i just wrote an awesome response to it then accidently deleted it!
Alright: you should know a bit a about hip hops origins, if not its derived from funk. funk of course is derived from blues, bits of reggae etc. its all in the mix. basically you can play anything ina hip hop song- evena bit of metal solos. its pretty much freestyle. however some guidlines- i wouldnt go in there playing classical guitar on a nylon string and also dont rip off other peoples riffs, theres a whole bunch of copyright around this and i dont know if thats what your uncle (was it your uncle i forgot) really wants.
SO heres my plan: write a riff. just a simple riff, based aroun twelve bar blues that is go from E to A to E then B A E. if oyu dont know your blues look it up on this site, theyll telly ou how to play twelve bar blues. anyway so when youve constructed the riff, mess around with the way you play it. play it faster and staccato- style, it will be a bit funkier if you play it more percussivley. most guitar we play is fluid but hip hop and funk is a bit more percussive. listen to BodyCOunt which is Ice T's band. they did a cover of Hey Joe which is awesome(to all you purists its not rap)
listen to stuff by the neptunes as well. try and get some hip hop beat smaples to play along to. oh another thing muted chords with distortion and wah(Edit: i forgot the wah bit the first time round) are pretty useful for hip hop as they add texture and give it a good rhtyme.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: practise your rhythm: keep in time. hip hop is not a genre you listen to alot by the sounds of it so you might not be used to the beats and such. just practise playing along, and practise your solos

hope that was helpful. if not... meh i tried.
and anyone who disagrees feel free to correct me

Im very good at blues, but ive never heard any twelve bar blues in rap. My dad's friend is gonna get me some sample beats to work with.

Originally posted by Hypnot1st
Rap guitar is actually very difficult to make. Playing is generally easy. A lot of recording guitarists for rappers are very talented, and if you examine the notes, every single note played has a purpose.
My favorite example is in "Till I Collapse" by Eminem, what a simple guitar riff, it is practically the same as Crazy Train, but it all is in the A scale (If my memory is correct) and the intervals are all great. Come to think of it, the riff is almost exactly the same as crazy train.
Timing is everything, and repeating notes is good, focusing around the root seems to work well too.

Thanks, and ill listen to the song.

Thanks for your feedback.
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#26
Originally posted by Sanitarium24
listen to what people have done before like aerosmith, but don't ruin more classic songs like some rappers have done with crazy train and back in black.


What rapper ruined Back In Black? I thought AC/DC did that when they wrote it?
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#28
Originally posted by GLP standard
What rapper ruined Back In Black? I thought AC/DC did that when they wrote it?


wtf u talkin bout?!?!


to the thread starter:
if he heard you play he proly likes your style and wants that in his music...just stick to your style, listen to the music and just play what feels rite
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#29
Originally posted by maddd0g
Im very good at blues, but ive never heard any twelve bar blues in rap. My dad's friend is gonna get me some sample beats to work with.


ah sorry shoulda explained my self further. i meant just to write a riff in, not to actually do for hip hop! it was just to get started on writing a riff i dont know your playing level so i guestimated. i didnt literally mean go and play a blues riff in the rap song hha. although that wouldnt be too bad for a crossover project.
hope it all works out for you mate
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#30
Originally posted by Zeus2716
wtf u talkin bout?!?!


I dont like AC/DC, therefore I was making fun of that song. Its not that hard to understand. God, you people have no sense of humour.
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#31
Originally posted by GLP standard
What rapper ruined Back In Black? I thought AC/DC did that when they wrote it?



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Originally posted by GLP standard
I dont like AC/DC, therefore I was making fun of that song. Its not that hard to understand. God, you people have no sense of humour.

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#33
Originally posted by Steph Bets
ah sorry shoulda explained my self further. i meant just to write a riff in, not to actually do for hip hop! it was just to get started on writing a riff i dont know your playing level so i guestimated. i didnt literally mean go and play a blues riff in the rap song hha. although that wouldnt be too bad for a crossover project.
hope it all works out for you mate

Well, if your telling me how to write a riff you guesstimated wrong.
I know alot about scales and theory and such. I can play Eruption, almost every Led Zeppelin Song(yeah i like em that much...) and alot of other stuff, i can play crazy fast and i've been playing for roughly 1 1/2 years. I dont have much to compare to, but i think im doing pretty good for only taking like 4 lessons ever.

What rapper ruined Back In Black? I thought AC/DC did that when they wrote it? Lol, and it was Eminem..
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#34
Originally posted by AGowans
Answer me 1 question,
how many rap songs do you hear with guitars in them?
I'm not talking about remixes, crossovers, rap metal.
Answer me that, and everythign will be sorted.

I'm listenin to some 2Pac right now, no guitar, Fugees, nada.

The Roots for one, and a lot of the good, less mainstream hip hop out there.
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#36
Originally posted by snave2008
Music is like candy-throw away all the rappers.

Wow, im asking for help and your being a smartass. thats something i would expect from me! I dont like rap all to much, but hey it cant be all bad if alot of people like it.. oh nvm alot of people like pop music.. damn.. *no comment*
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#37
ask the dude what he wants you to play and how he wants it to sound. hes the dude with the record deal right?
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#38
Originally posted by harm0n20
ask the dude what he wants you to play and how he wants it to sound. hes the dude with the record deal right?

I cant believe im to stupid to think of that. Thanks.
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#39
Originally posted by joe516
The Roots for one, and a lot of the good, less mainstream hip hop out there.


ya man i was about to say, the roots when they play live have live bands, real drummer real bass player real guitarist

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#40
er the skull/bones cypress hill album has an enitre cd of rap songs with some pretty cool riffs. Foolish people jumping on the "i h8 rap!!11! LOolZprz!!1!" bandwagon the lot of ya.
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