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Andrewbiles
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Ok, this is basically here to "advertise" the essentials of Alt & Indie. It's not for band recommendations as it'd just get overrun with them, but here's a list of what I personally think should go on it. If you have a problem with the list or suggestions feel free to PM me.
I should really put some links up, but I'm gonna head off the net in a minute and if you think you have an essential for the Alt & Indie fan, please post.

What should be recommended.......

Essential Links:

Allmusic's Indie-rock definition
Wikipedia's definition of Indie music
Epitonic
Free Indie
UG Alt & Indie board's Audioscrobbler/Last.fm group - thanks to pumpkins_rule
UG Alt & Indie Map - thanks to tezhall
Past Alt & Indie AOTW's


Record Labels:

4AD
Arts & Crafts
Barsuk
Constellation Records
French Kiss Records
Hush Records
Kill Rock Stars
Matador Records
Motive Sounds
Rough Trade Records
Saddle Creek
Sub Pop
Temporary Residence
Xtra Mile Recordings


Good webzines/blogs/magazines:

Adrian's Album Reviews
Arthur Mag
Bradley's Almanac
Julian Cope Presents Head Heritage
Indie Workshop
Music (for robots)
Pitchfork Media
Scaruffi's
Trouser Press
We Want The Airwaves Back


Books:

33 1/3 Series - Continuum International Publishing
A History of Rock Music: 1951-2000 - iUniverse.com
Labels Unlimited Series - Black Dog Publishing


Legal bootleg (live shows) sites:

Bootleg Freakin
Dime-A-Dozen (torrents)
Live Music Archive
Songs: Ohia/Jason Molina/Magnolia Electric Co


Shops: (for local shops check posts - I have a feeling there may become quite a few)

Amazon (UK)
Amoeba Music
Boomkat
Darla
Ebay (UK)
eMusic (The bargain indie download store)
Fopp
GEMM
Insound
Net Sounds Music
Newbury Comics
Rough Trade
Select a Disc
Sister Ray
Tap Into Music


Essential albums: (ones that'll last the test of time, not just stuff known about for a week and then forgotten)

Air - Moon Safari
The Album Leaf - One day I'll be on time
The Arcade Fire - Funeral
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
The Beatles - Revolver
Beck - Odelay
Biffy Clyro - Vertigo of Bliss
Black Grape - It's great when you're straight... yeah
Blind Melon - Blind Melon
Blur - The best of Blur
Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited and/or Bringing it all back home
Built To Spill - Keep It Like A Secret
Can - Tago Mago and/or Eye Bamyasi
Cat Power - Moon Pix
The Cure - Disintegration
Damien Rice - O
The Decemberists - Castaways & Cutouts
Dexy's Midnight Runners - Too Rye Ay
Dinosaur Jr - You're Living All Over Me
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing...
Don Caballero - Don Caballero II
Elliott Smith - X/O
Embrace - The Good Will Out
The Fall - The Nation's Saving Grace
The Flaming Lips - Soft Bulletin
Fugazi - 13 Songs
Gang of Four - Entertainment
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand
Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Iron & Wine - Our Endless Numbered Days
Jeff Buckley - Grace
Joy Division - Closer
The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
Les Savy Fav - Inches
The Libertines - Up the Bracket
Lou Reed - Transformer
Love - Forever Changes
M83 - Before the Dawn Heals us
Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
Mars Volta - De-loused in the comatorium
Massive Attack - Blue Lines
The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2
Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime
Mission of Burma - Vs
Modest Mouse - The Lonesome Crowded West
Mogwai - Happy Songs for Happy People
The Mountain Goats - Tallahassee
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the sea
Nick Drake - Five Leaves left
Oasis - Definately Maybe and/or (What's the story) Morning Glory
Orange Juice - The Glasgow School
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
The Pixies - Doolittle and/or Surfer Rosa
Portishead - Dummy
Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen
Primal Scream - Screamadelica
Pulp - Different Class
Radiohead - OK Computer
Red House Painters - Down Colorful Hill
REM - Murmur
Sebadoh - III and/or Sebadoh
Shellac - At Action Park
The Shins - Oh Inverted World
Sigur Ros - ()
Slint - Spiderland
Slowdive - Souvlaki
The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation and/or Washing Machine
Stereophonics - Words gets around
Sufjan Stevens - Seven Swans
The Strokes - Is this it?
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
Talk Talk - The Colour of Spring
Talking Heads - Remain in Light
Television - Marquee Moon
Tristeza - Dream Signals in Full Circles
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
The Verve - Urban Hymns
Scott Walker - Tilt
Weezer - The Blue Album
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

This is mainly to help the new to the genre(s), but hopefully to others as well.


(I personally do not endorse all of the 'essential albums', some are added due to horrible taste )
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RobbieMac2002
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#3
ooo... this will be a very nice thread...

well, im sure ill add a lot to it as time goes on... but ill start it off simple...

The SelectaDisc in Nottingham is THE store to go to for great music at brilliant prices... they also always seem to have any US released imports or rare EP's or stuff without me needing to ask for them to order it...

oh, and a vinyl section on the top floor that also sells gig tickets...

so um, yea... id say thats probably the best shop for music in Nottingham, and there are a couple in london too that i havnt been too but wouldnt be surprised if they were as good (although slightly more expensive being london?)
Originally posted by guitarkid27
RobbieMac2002 gives good advice.
bobjewell87
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#4
Originally posted by RobbieMac2002

The SelectaDisc in Nottingham is THE store to go to for great music at brilliant prices... they also always seem to have any US released imports or rare EP's or stuff without me needing to ask for them to order it...

oh, and a vinyl section on the top floor that also sells gig tickets...

so um, yea... id say thats probably the best shop for music in Nottingham, and there are a couple in london too that i havnt been too but wouldnt be surprised if they were as good (although slightly more expensive being london?)


thankyou rob, i'll be going to nottingham for uni in september. mint.

Zine = 'we want the www.airwavesback.com. Brilliant ratings system as well. hawr hawrr.

labels = hmm, dunno www.xtramilerecordings.com? no idea.
pumpkins_rule
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#5
Well if you live in Ottawa, all the good indie record stores are clumped together downtown. CD Exchange, Record Runner and Vertigo Records are all on the same street.

Essential alt/indie albums

The Pixies - Doolittle
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
Elliott Smith - X/O

Oh and the two best canadian indie record labels:

Constellation Records

Arts & Crafts

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Last edited by pumpkins_rule at Aug 30, 2005,
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#7
"Velvet Underground & Nico" // Velvet Underground
"Loveless" // My Bloody Valentine
"Surfer Rosa" // Pixies
"Permanent" // Joy Division
"OK Computer" // Radiohead
"Curling Pond Wood" // Greg Davis

for albums
Andrewbiles
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#8
Thanks so far.
Sorry if I've missed anything, I'll try make it all stand out a bit more as well later.
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tezhall
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#10
shops - www.sisterray.co.uk

Who manage to satisfy my needs for indie rock, rare EP's and techno in one sweeping online store.

Based in London I believe.

ilovelimes
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#11
Everyone needs to go out and buy Bloc Party's Silent Alarm.
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#12
Oh, and check out She Wants Revenge, Nine Black Alps, and We Are Scientists. I don't think She Wants Revenge has a website, but you can find one of their videos online.
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#13
Distentigration (sp?) by The Cure needs to be there as does
13 Songs - Fugazi
Closer - Joy Division
Turn on the Bright Lights - Interpol (in my opinion, anyways)
Lonesome Crowded West - Modest Mouse
Entertainment - Gang of Four
Remain in the Light - Talking Heads
Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain - Pavement
LazyGuitar
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#14
Originally posted by ilovelimes
Everyone needs to go out and buy Bloc Party's Silent Alarm.


I have an essential fact to put up...

"Lazy would rather stab out his own eyes with a rusty screwdriver than buy Bloc Party's "Silent Alarm"
An eye for an eye leaves everyone a pirate.
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#15
Jeff Buckley- Grace
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#16
Marquee Moon by Television (maybe)


I really need to buy this album...
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#17
Jeff Buckley - Grace
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
Radiohead - OK Computer
The Arcade Fire - Funeral
The Stone Roses - Self Titled


I hope these count as alternative;
The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society
Nick Drake - Five Leaves left
Andrewbiles
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#18
Originally posted by ilovelimes
Oh, and check out She Wants Revenge, Nine Black Alps, and We Are Scientists. I don't think She Wants Revenge has a website, but you can find one of their videos online.


NBA and WAS (not heard of the other one) are decent bands, but not exactly essentials, especially as WAS have only released one single so far (or is it two now?).
Thanks so far guys/gals. Hopefully people agree with the majority of the stuff on the album list, if not, feel free to vent. Chances of bands like Modest Mouse, Bloc Party and Interpol going on the list are low. Sorry
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MattDaviesFFAF
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#19
Can we add one of Biffy Clyro's albums to the album list?

They fit in alternative.....
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#20
Originally posted by LazyGuitar
I have an essential fact to put up...

"Lazy would rather stab out his own eyes with a rusty screwdriver than buy Bloc Party's "Silent Alarm"


I second that.
balltounge
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#21
Essentials:


Mogwai - Happy songs for happy people
Sigur Ros - ( )
The Shins - Oh inverted world
Tristeza - Dream signals in full circle
M83 - before the dawn heals us


Take a pic out of them, go on...
Enjoy your worries, you may never have them again.

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Andrewbiles
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#22
'Oh inverted world' really? Can't say I ever really thought of it as great, but the other choices, thumbs up. Other people really need to help with the approval stuff here. I feel kind of bad when I don't add some of the choices because it looks like I'm just giving my opinion rather than the general board opinion.

Brian, Biffy Clyro? Hmmm, not sure, which were you thinking?

If people have other links and stuff rather than just albums that'd be cool
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#23
At The Drive In - Relationship Of Command (Easiest album to obtain and get into)

Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Either F# or Raise Your Skinny Fists

Hot Hot Heat - Elevator (One of the better bands that put out lately)

Iron & Wine - Our Endless Numbered Days

Nuetral Milk Hotel - In An Aeroplane Over The Sea

Pedro The Lion - Achilles Heel

Cursive - The Ugly Organist (It's a "classic")

The Decemberists - Castaways and Cutouts


Atreyu - Suicide Notes and Butterfly Kisses.....


Well there's a few that was missing that should be in anyone self respecting indie kid's collection.
balltounge
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Originally posted by andrewbiles
'Oh inverted world' really? Can't say I ever really thought of it as great, but the other choices, thumbs up. ?

If people have other links and stuff rather than just albums that'd be cool



Its probably not there greatest, but i chose for more sentimental reasons,those being "inverted world" was the first Shins album i bought, probably shouldnt of.


But anyway as im posting i might as well put a few more up.

Air - Moon Safari
Dj Shadow - Endtroducing
Mew - Frengers
Mansun - six (so underated!!!)
the album leaf - one day ill be on time


Hope a few make it.


Edit: haha after editing this post 3 times ill add a label...


Bands like Explosions in the sky, Mono & ex-Sonna & Halifax pier

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#26
I think Interpol's "Turn On The Bright Lights" should be listed even if Closer is also on there. It's a very good album for beginners and appeals to almost any instrumental fan.
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#27
Originally posted by andrewbiles
Brian, Biffy Clyro? Hmmm, not sure, which were you thinking?


Maybe the new one, their first was sorta grungey and the Vertigo of Bliss was confusing so......

I suppose they're post-hardcore and that'd probably fit moreso in PP/Emo........

Anywho, whatever you think.
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Andrewbiles
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#28
^ If anyone comes in and agrees I'll shove them up. I only have 'Blackened sky' by them and I rarely listen to it as I'm finding records stressful at the moment, but if someone else agrees with 'Vertigo of bliss' I'll be happy to put it up.

Originally posted by balltounge
Its probably not there greatest, but i chose for more sentimental reasons,those being "inverted world" was the first Shins album i bought, probably shouldnt of.


But anyway as im posting i might as well put a few more up.

Air - Moon Safari
Dj Shadow - Endtroducing
Mew - Frengers
Mansun - six (so underated!!!)
the album leaf - one day ill be on time


Hope a few make it.


Edit: haha after editing this post 3 times ill add a label...


Bands like Explosions in the sky, Mono & ex-Sonna & Halifax pier

Temporary residence


Sorry, I've put up The Shins one to avoid arguing about the Mew one. Mansun I'll agree with, but 'Six' over 'Attack of the grey lantern'?
Good label as well there.
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#29
Sebadoh - III
Guided by Voices - Bee Thousand
Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me

Those three have to be up there. A few other noteworthy ones...

Patti Smith - Horses
Brian Eno - Another Green World
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
Portishead - Dummy
Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
Richard Hell and the Voidoids - Blank Generation
Big Star - Radio City
REM - Murmur

Other stuff:

Trouser Press
Matador Records
Julian Cope presents Head Heritage
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#30
I'd like to nominate:

"The Lonesome Crowded West" by Modest Mouse
"Bee Thousand" by Guided by Voices
"Slanted and Enchanted" by Pavement


Oh and it's not Talking Heads - Remain in the Light,
it's "Remain in Light"
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The Dears - No Cities Left .. essential record for one man canadian master puppeteer of soaring indie pop; Murry Lightburn..and/or Broken Social Scene - You Forget It In people... I don't think I need to explain that one..
a halfhearted call for Grandaddy - Sophtware Slump
Andrewbiles
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#32
Originally posted by An_anvil_tree
Julian Cope presents Head Heritage


Thank you! I completely forgot about that site. I found it when Comets on Fire's 'Blue Cathedral' was released (because it was his album of the week at that point) and I completely forgot what the site was called.

"World shut your mouth, shut your mouth, put your head back in the clouds and shut your mouth."

Oh how much I miss that song, got it on vinyl upstairs, going to have to dig that out later.

Just out of interest, how many of those albums has everybody got? I want to see if everyone has all of them. I've got 31 out of the 53 there.
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#33
haha, i only have about 15 of them, but most of the others are in various positions on my 'to buy' list haha.
my name is matt. you can call me that if you like.
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#34
Motive sounds

"an independent label, aiming to promote original, alternative music, and develop a roster of bands/musicians who, with fresh outlooks are making a truly significant contribution. also, by promoting up and coming designers, we aim to establish a network of independent thinkers, whilst creating a dual platform on which cover design and music co-exist, and are intrinsically linked."


Check out the artists, there all very, very good.

fans of constellation like bands will enjoy this.
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#35
youd probably need modest mouse in there somewhere...maybe this is a long drive for someone with nothing to think about...or the lonesome crowded west
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#37
Where's the Kinks? After all our efforts in the alt/indie game, there's no Kinks essentials
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Andrewbiles
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#38
^ Yeah there is, 'The Village Green Preservation Society' is up there.
And Bright Eyes!? Please.......... If they're going to get put up there some sexual favors will have to be given. (no offense to them, Conor's just the most overrated man in music right now)
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utsapp89
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#39
Perhaps I should point out that the ! in Godspeed You Black Emporer! has been moved to the end ...wierd bunch, that band, brilliant music though.
I'll agree with 'Lonesome Crowded West', as I don't see that one up yet, and I've seen some suggestions for that one. I'd put a Volta album up (most likely Deloused), but that's only because I'm in a deep love with that band.
Other noteworthies:
Echoes-The Rapture (prolly not an essential, but I think it's teh sex)
The Bends-Radiohead
Odelay- Beck

EDIT: I don't see Surfer Rosa anywhere either, so...suggested.
Last edited by utsapp89 at Sep 5, 2005,
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#40
Definately Maybe (oasis), The Bends (radiohead), You Are the Quarry ( morrissey) are all great records, although i see radiohead already have one on the list.

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