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STRAT811
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#1
I guess these guys would be in here. Theyre not welcome in the metal/nu metal forums so being an amazing metalcore band, I wondered if anyone liked em.

Their latest CD The War Within is great. I haven't heard of their old stuff though. Jon Donias is a really good guitar player as far as speed goes, there isn't a whole lot of feeling in his solos but in this genre it is ok.

So if anyone loves/hates/likes them then lets discuss.
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Combat
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#2
OH OH I hate them. i think their solos suck for the most part and their song structure is so retarded because their intros dont go with the songs at all. i personally dont think theyre metalcore because they dont sound like it.
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#3
You would get more replies If this were in the metal forum.
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#4
yeah he would get more flaming.. theyre not metal either,even though theyre closer to that them metalcore
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#5
The Art Of Balance kicks the shit out of War Within. It's a lot more diverse and has better solos and arrangements in general. War Within was kind of their Black Album- they're coming close to selling out. Art of Balance is their Master of Puppets (classic) and Of One Blood is their Kill 'Em All (iffy recording, not very diverse).
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#6
^^ no no guys you got it all wrong.

theyre not classified as metal, metalcore OR hardcore.

theyre classified as horrible. yeah im pretty sure thats it.
burn_the_lamb_
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#7
shadows fall kicks your ass. war within wasnt their greatest but it had some pretty decent songs. enlightened by the cold, stillness, powere of i and i, and those who cannot speak are some pretty badass songs....but still none as good as deadworld
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#8
I personally never saw anything good about this band; very mediocre to below average in my mind. And yeah i must agree with their classification as horrible not metal, metalcore or hardcore.
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#10
I used to be upsessed with this band. I got The Art Of Balance autographed by everyone in the band.
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#11
My friend's pretty into them, I play their stuff here and there just so he and I have something to play, but other than that I"m not really into them. It's just boring.
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#12
theyre kind of not fun to listen to.


whenever finish listening to them i feel dirty, like i just did roof construction or something.
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#13
Shadows fall is great. fire in babylon ranks high on my to 10 list. The war w/in was kind of monotonous, still good though.
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#15
I lik 'em
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Combat
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#16
i think one of their biggest downfalls is their new vox. along with other things, but thats one of the main reasons.
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#17
Yeah, Brian Fair I can stand somewhat on The Art of Balance, but their new cd IMO is trash save for a few songs. He also can't sing/scream worth a **** live...or so i've seen. Also, they've got a DVD coming out the 15th, i'm going to get it only because i've been waiting forever for it.
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LedZeppelin
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#18
Brian isn't awful. His lyrics are pretty bad but his scream is very good. Reminds me of Behemoth because of the sheer power of it. But he kind of sucks at singing and ends up reminding me of the singer of Korn, which is not a good thing.
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#19
Shadows Fall is great! The War Within is my favorite CD from 'em so far.
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#20
Quote by STRAT811
I guess these guys would be in here. Theyre not welcome in the metal/nu metal forums so being an amazing metalcore band, I wondered if anyone liked em.

Their latest CD The War Within is great. I haven't heard of their old stuff though. Jon Donias is a really good guitar player as far as speed goes, there isn't a whole lot of feeling in his solos but in this genre it is ok.

So if anyone loves/hates/likes them then lets discuss.


*shakes head and sighs* Listen to the solo on "Stepping Outside the Circle" off of The Art of Balance and tell me that there's no feeling in it.
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#21
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You would get more replies If this were in the metal forum.
Not my cup of tea.

Only if you count getting the sh*t flamed out of you as a reply, then yeah, you would be right.
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#22
i ****ing love Shadows Fall. ever since i heard the song "thoughts without words" off the art of balance cd, theyve been one of my favorite bands. i really like war within but i think art of balance is better. and matt bachand is like my idol. he plays rythem, has a custom made Ibanez SZ, and i cant wait until my hair is long like his.
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#23
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OH OH I hate them. i think their solos suck for the most part and their song structure is so retarded because their intros dont go with the songs at all. i personally dont think theyre metalcore because they dont sound like it.


Man, you are out of you mind. If anything, Shadows Fall has The Best solos out of all metalcore bands.
STRAT811
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#24
i wouldn't go that far... but donias sure has chops
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#25
i like them. they get somewhat boring after a while, but when you listen to them after not listening to them for a long time, it sounds good.
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#26
never really got into them. they dont appeal to me that much. never really got interested in them
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#27
I respect their guitarists, but the vocals really turned me off of ths band. I was never one for hardcore-ish vocals
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#28
cheesy...and vocalist makes me sick
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#29
I love them.
My favorite CD is the Art of Balance.
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#30
I really like Shadows fall. I don't like it how they're classified as metalcore though, they don't sound like a hardcore band at all. I really like Brian as a singer as well, he has such power in his screaming.
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#31
They were one of my first metalcore bands (and one of my favorites) before I got off metalcore. Their guitarists definately have chops, I give them that. Pretty decent riffs and not bad solos either.
They're NOT metal though. You would get flamed like no other forum for putting a SF thread in there.

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#32
/\/\/\ One question though, in all seriousness and in looking for a well explained answer, How are they not metal?
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LedZeppelin
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#33
*sigh*... they have clean passages and have gotten very poppy on The War Within. Example: What Drives The Weak, basically a pop song. And they ripped the riffs off of Thoughts Without Words, evidence that they're having trouble coming up with new material.

They have very hardcore lyrics about pain, rising up, rebellion, etc. And the vocals are not anywhere near metal.

They're closer to metal than metalcore but very much in the middle. And they've pretty much sold out with The War Within. If they were metal they'd be melodeath, but listen to Arch Enemy then Shadows Fall...the AE arrangements are much more varied and complex. It's hard to explain but if you listen to a lot of real metal you would see it much more clearly. It's like when people ask why LoG isn't metal, they just aren't, end of story.
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#34
Quote by stratstrummer40
^^ no no guys you got it all wrong.

theyre not classified as metal, metalcore OR hardcore.

theyre classified as horrible. yeah im pretty sure thats it.


just because they are more talented that every band you listen to does no make them horrible. I do not think they belong in this forum, I dont understand why most of the people in the metal forum hate them. They are not hardcore or metalcore, they are too good for that classification!
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#35
Shadows Fall is one of my favorite bands. I like em a lot and war within was pretty good. They are kind of soft, but there fun to listen to. Their music has a lot of energy in their recording, and although I find War Within hard to listen to continously its a good albulm.
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#36
I am from Westfield Mass., home of Killswitch Engage and neighboring city to Springfield, home of Shadows Fall. I got into metalcore through Joel from KSE so I started listening to Shadows Fall too since there all friends and everyone's all 'you gotta listen to them'. So for the past few years I was a Shadows Fall fan, I loved there albums, but this summer I finally made it to Ozzfest, twice. I was exited to see them live but was very disappointed at there performance. I'm still not sure what it was lacking but at both shows (Boston and Hartford) the overall sound and feel of the band just wasn't good. I am no longer a fan of them, I loved there studio album but if you cant recreate that onstage then honestly the album is fake. I can see doing a few crazy songs on an album made to be musical masterpieces but you don't play songs like that live, you need to be able to play the material you right and be able to make it sound good and get the vibe going, you know what I'm saying? Everyone around here loves them still, even after admitting that they sucked at Ozzfest, just because you see they guys at the mall doesn't mean you need to worship them.

Yea, so there it is, my Shadows Fall rant, used to love them, don't care about them anymore. Take it or leave it. Rock on.
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#37
yeah werent good at ozzfest...but then again the only good bands at ozzfest were maiden and sabbath because the ozzfest crew didnt make the sound sound good until those bands came on
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#38
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The Art Of Balance kicks the shit out of War Within. It's a lot more diverse and has better solos and arrangements in general. War Within was kind of their Black Album- they're coming close to selling out. Art of Balance is their Master of Puppets (classic) and Of One Blood is their Kill 'Em All (iffy recording, not very diverse).


Art of Balance > War Within

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#39
Quote by STRAT811
I guess these guys would be in here. Theyre not welcome in the metal/nu metal forums so being an amazing metalcore band, I wondered if anyone liked em.

Their latest CD The War Within is great. I haven't heard of their old stuff though. Jon Donias is a really good guitar player as far as speed goes, there isn't a whole lot of feeling in his solos but in this genre it is ok.

So if anyone loves/hates/likes them then lets discuss.


Hey, i am new at this, so if i do anything wrong, don't get to mad at me.
I just wanted to say that i love Shadows Fall. From the moment i heard The Light That Blinds (first Shadows Fall song i heard), i was just hooked. From then i became almost obcessed, (but i still don't have a t-shirt). I am now learning The Light That Blinds, and it is NOT an easy song (praise to Matt Bachand and other great death metal gitarists). I also really like Arch Enemy and Kill Switch Engage, but Shadows Fall is still at the top of my list.
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#40
Hey, I also really like Children of Bodom. i just love metal with a good keyboard.