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#41
Evening all.......

Well, me and my fellow band dudes formed a cover band to do songs that we enjoyed playing and so we've got songs like dead skin mask (slayer) and MAdhouse (Anthrax) in our set and to be honest we thought we were going to go down like a lead balloon when we played them live.....but exactly the opposite. When we played them we had our own little pit on front of the stage....Whoot! We were so happy. Anyway after the gig people were coming up to us saying that thay had never heard a local band play stuff like that and it was really good to hear.

We did some research into the pub bands that were playing the area ( research? Get pissed I mean) and it's true they all play roughly the same type of song ie Layla, Whole lot of love, whole lot of rosie, whiskey in the jar etc, etc. Cracking songs but everybbody seems to have heard them a thousand times already.....

What I'm trying to say, as a piece of advice, is try something different and don't play what everyone else is playing...it seems to get a big response....

JUst you watch we'll get bottled off stage at the next gig...lololololollolololol
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#42
Okay, well I've read alot in this board, and alot of people are saying what genre to play and what order, but can any one recommend songs for that genre in the order you say for a new band. We just got together as a band and every one has been playing for about 2 years except for our one of our guitarests, he's only been playing for about 1 year, but everyone is pretty advanced for their ammount of time playing their instruments, any songs you can recommend?
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Okay, well I've read alot in this board, and alot of people are saying what genre to play and what order, but can any one recommend songs for that genre in the order you say for a new band. We just got together as a band and every one has been playing for about 2 years except for our one of our guitarests, he's only been playing for about 1 year, but everyone is pretty advanced for their ammount of time playing their instruments, any songs you can recommend?


I suggest you take that to another thread, that's not for this thread, this thread is specifically for the order!
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#44
Our band generally play at weddings and private gigs, and here is the order of performance we think works best:

1st song: we do usually one or two slow ones (usually noone is in the mood for fast dancing to begin with) like Wonderful Tonight and some Paul Weller.

We then take things up a bit with some Beatles and Kinks and others.
Then we do a bit of modern rocky stuff like Kaiser Chiefs and Darkness, then end the first set on something that everyone knows, last time we did All These Things I've Done by The Killers, everyone sings along to the "I've Got Soul but I'm not a soldier" bit.

Then we start the second set fairly quickly, although we'll usually do a slower one to start because everyone is full from the buffet and not wanting to dance straight away!! Sometimes we'll do something like Yellow by Coldplay. We then do pretty much all dancey well known stuff for the rest, and do really well known stuff for an encore, like Amarillo and Walking on Sunshine. People are so boozed up by the end of the night, they just want something they can dance and chant along to.

People at gigs they haven't paid to get into (or are not expecting to see a band at) prefer familiarity, so we tend to go for well known songs. It's a little annoying that we don't get to play our own material as much as we'd like, but when we do the odd public gig, we get to do more experimental stuff or things people may not have heard.
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#45
The advice given in this thread is brilliant. Everyone should follow these rules. Although I don't think an encore necessarily needs to be a ballad. Look at Run To The Hills!
#46
Yeah, I'd change that. NEVER play a slow song at the end of the show. You want people to run out screaming, not all soft and slow. I've learned that over the years.
#47
Well, the whole encore depends on your set, your mood, and the mood of the atmosphere and the crowd around you. Also, if you get an encore, why can't you just start it with a slow song, and just merge it into a fast paced one? Therefore, it goes both ways/

By the way, this thread is amazing.
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#48
Is it a good idea to start with an instrumental original?
It's a really catchy one and not too slow either...
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#49
yeah why not


Is it advisable to start a set with a not so common song but has impact or a well known instrumental?
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#51
for the first set, it would also be nice if you would make your audiences experience culture shock when they'll hear your first song...
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#54
Even though I haven't played any gigs yet, I'd start on a slow song, go more upbeat within the next 2 or 3, slow it down for another song or 2, and then end on the last 2 with a high energy, heavy, heart-pounding song and the finale/encore do a slowed down song again, such as "Patience" by GNR, or "Good Riddance" by Greenday.
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#55
I personally think that facial expressions are rather important when playing. coz if you look bored, people are gonna think ur an arrogant person
#56
to be honest, no one plays encores anymore, and from my experience and watching lots of bands, dont play an encore, you'll end up turning off the crowd
#57
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to be honest, no one plays encores anymore, and from my experience and watching lots of bands, dont play an encore, you'll end up turning off the crowd


What are you talking about? Encores have become standard... If the headlining band doesn't play you an encore...It's assumed you were a shitty crowd.
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#59
if you are a metal band you should start with a song with a clean intro, something like Sandman would be good to start with, but i agree it has to be short and after the clean intro it has to go mad
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#60
What do you do if you get an encore but have no more original songs to play? Like nothing, including covers.
#61
You should have at least twice as many songs down than ones your planning on playing that night..... Besides if your going to play another gig soon possibly at a different nearby venue, no one wants to hear the exact same set of songs again...
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#62
On the subject of talking with the crowd...

There are certain things that you need to get across to the audience. The point of you playing a gig is to build a fan base. This is difficult if they don't know who you are. You *NEED* to get people to know your name, your website, if you have anything for sale, and you need to say it as a human; don't read it out like the script from a salesman. You want people to come to your next gig, and to do that they need to be able to find out about it.

BUT! Remember that you're there to play music. Not to have a conversation. Not to be a stand-up comic. All the time you're not playing on stage is a rest, is inactive. Too much of this becomes boring and irritating for the crowd.

So time any points that you're going to speak. If the band frontman only sings (as opposed to playing guitar as well) the best time for this would be while the band retunes or checks tunings for songs. Set out the gig so that there's as little pauses as possible between songs. A short introduction of "this song is called..." doesn't count, but any more time you take is pushing it. I'd suggest playing about two songs, taking a break to tell the crowd who you are and where they can find out about you, playing the rest of the set with minimal conversation between, and then making a reminder of your name and thanking them etc. before the last song. You might take longer pauses if you get longer gigs or more faithful crowds, but when starting out i'd call this a good guideline.

P.S. it changes slightly in the case of anything going wrong. If (and at some point, there will) there is any problem on stage - guitar string breaks, microphone decides to stop working, drummer bursts into flames etc. DON'T just ignore the crowd and let them watch you all stumble around stage in a panic. While watching a band struggle to keep a gig alive can be entertaining, its not in a flattering way. Someone should talk to crowd a little while the others deal with the problem, just to keep the show going, and at the very least to keep them informed as to what's going on, before they get bored and wander off to the bar...
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On the subject of talking with the crowd...

There are certain things that you need to get across to the audience. The point of you playing a gig is to build a fan base. This is difficult if they don't know who you are. You *NEED* to get people to know your name, your website, if you have anything for sale, and you need to say it as a human; don't read it out like the script from a salesman. You want people to come to your next gig, and to do that they need to be able to find out about it.

BUT! Remember that you're there to play music. Not to have a conversation. Not to be a stand-up comic. All the time you're not playing on stage is a rest, is inactive. Too much of this becomes boring and irritating for the crowd.

So time any points that you're going to speak. If the band frontman only sings (as opposed to playing guitar as well) the best time for this would be while the band retunes or checks tunings for songs. Set out the gig so that there's as little pauses as possible between songs. A short introduction of "this song is called..." doesn't count, but any more time you take is pushing it. I'd suggest playing about two songs, taking a break to tell the crowd who you are and where they can find out about you, playing the rest of the set with minimal conversation between, and then making a reminder of your name and thanking them etc. before the last song. You might take longer pauses if you get longer gigs or more faithful crowds, but when starting out i'd call this a good guideline.

P.S. it changes slightly in the case of anything going wrong. If (and at some point, there will) there is any problem on stage - guitar string breaks, microphone decides to stop working, drummer bursts into flames etc. DON'T just ignore the crowd and let them watch you all stumble around stage in a panic. While watching a band struggle to keep a gig alive can be entertaining, its not in a flattering way. Someone should talk to crowd a little while the others deal with the problem, just to keep the show going, and at the very least to keep them informed as to what's going on, before they get bored and wander off to the bar...



That's all good, and I'd certainly like to elaborate on that last point slightly. This is where your band needs to be tight and together. If your band cannot improvise a jam, or have something pre-written to transition into and play around on while the problem is being sorted, things will get very hairy.
A band crashing around, regardless of problems, makes them looks like amatuers. A band who, when a problem occurs, are able to pull an impromptu jam together while someone gets the problem sorted out will gain you plenty of crowd support and give the impression that you're all very talented players.
#64
this is useful. thats why blondies shows suck. no stage prescence (at least the shows ive seen). im not a blondie fan though.......

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#65
i've got a question on the order that these songs should be played in:

when i come around by green day
the judge's daughter by green day
she by green day
longview by green day
dammit by blink 182
feeling this by blink 182
a little less 16 candles, a little more touch me by fall out boy

please don't criticise on the song choice, as it's the music we decided on. also, the show is only about a 15 minute thing (battle of the bands at a school)
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#66
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i've got a question on the order that these songs should be played in:

when i come around by green day
the judge's daughter by green day
she by green day
longview by green day
dammit by blink 182
feeling this by blink 182
a little less 16 candles, a little more touch me by fall out boy

please don't criticise on the song choice, as it's the music we decided on. also, the show is only about a 15 minute thing (battle of the bands at a school)


I'd open with 'Feeling This' because it's a fast energetic song to get people into it in the first place, and then close with 'When I Come Around', because let's face it, everybody knows that and it's easy to sing along to.
As for the rest the set, it doesn't really matter which order, but try not to play two songs by the same band in a row.
#67
How bout the song order of:
Top Of the World - All American Rejects
I Dont Love You - MCR
Dance Inside - All American Rejects
River - Good Charlotte

This is the one i've been considering and have not discussed with my band members.
Any feed back?
I mean besides the song choice and with the order =X
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How bout the song order of:
Top Of the World - All American Rejects
I Dont Love You - MCR
Dance Inside - All American Rejects
River - Good Charlotte

This is the one i've been considering and have not discussed with my band members.
Any feed back?
I mean besides the song choice and with the order =X


Alas, I cannot say I've heard any of the songs and thus cannot really help you on which order to play them in. But, if you listen to general mood and pace of the song, and then apply it to the original post, then it should help you along a fair bit.
That said though, it'd probably be best to talk it over with your bandmates and make the final decision as a group.
#69
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How bout the song order of:
Top Of the World - All American Rejects
I Dont Love You - MCR
Dance Inside - All American Rejects
River - Good Charlotte

This is the one i've been considering and have not discussed with my band members.
Any feed back?
I mean besides the song choice and with the order =X


The order you have wirtten it in is a good order to play, except maybe swapping the AAR songs
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#70
Ok. thanks.
I think they're quite agreeable to it.
Bout the Swapping.
I'll think bout it.
Thanks anyways. =D
#71
I have something to add that helped us at our first (and only) gig. If you're playing at a show with lots of bands and you're pretty unknown, try and play just before a band you know are awful... It makes your band look a lot better.
#72
The band I manage (in my sig) played at their high school last week. Their set list was as follows:

1. You Really Got Me (Van Halen)
2. Land of Confusion (Disturbed)
3. Paralyzer (Finger Eleven)
4. Lonely Train (Black Stone Cherry)
5. Summer of '69 (Brian Adams)

Compared to the two bands who went before them, one of which was definately emo and the other was some sort of nu-metal, they rocked the house. And given that "Summer of '69" was the senior class song, much insanity ensued.

Gawdz, it was fun.
#73
we have a gig coming up, we have a set list of songs which you beautiful people are going to order or us

Possiblilites- On our myspace, fast paced, short snappy
the last time- on our myspace, no words in recording, mid paced, starts off clean and quiet, builds up to 'stadium ending'
Forsaken- Slow burner, heavy, almost Sabbath-esque
Back at the start- Mid paced, melodic, progressive, longest song in set
Dream on- fast-ish, Saxon-esque, shorter solo section than others
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#74
yeah, i guess you could do a ballad for an encore, but i've always thought more of a fast paced rock "anthem" style would be better. i guess it just depends on what you want to do with it.
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#75
Punk Rock 101 - Bowling for soup
Zombie - The Cranberries
Smells like teen spirit - Nirvana
Whats up - Four not blondes
Back in black - AC/DC

This is our set for our first real gig (we've done little two song ones and some comps..again..only 2 songs)

Also..What do you think of having a little improv thing (a la the chilli peppers) before our first song sorta just to warm up.

I think if somthing goes wrong (string breaks or lead shorts out) you should keep playing. I saw a band a bit ago who were playing and the guitarest broke a couple of strings so he ran off to borrow another guys guitar. The rest of the band kepted playing so it was only drums bass and vocals. They al lhad a laugh at the end of the song

It really showed that they knew what they were doing..no one freaked out like "Holycrapwegotnoguitar!"
#76
Can anybody give me some tips for somebody with the whole singer/songwriter vibe?
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2: have a good time. i know that this has probably been posted amillion times but it works. don't worry if you hit a bum note or forget some words. the reason people go to see bands is to haer music and have a good time. if you have a good time then they will too.


Agreed.

I tend to hit a lot of wrong notes at certain gigs. It depends on how nervous or confident I am that day. Some shows go better than others. Some are rife with PA or equipment issues. But, so long as you can recover from your mistakes and have a good time with it, then it will keep the crowd going as well. Besides which, only the musicians in the audience (and perhaps your band members as well) will be able to pick out your screw ups. Most non-musical people will not notice, or even remember your mistakes. So don't be afraid of screwing up. It happens, you're human after all.

Just practice as much as possible, and try to adapt as best you can come gig time. Stuff always happens. I have yet to play a "Perfect" show. But some are definitely better than others.
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Some of my own thoughts:

I hear people here talking all the time about drinking or smoking or doing other crazy **** before a show to get pumped. I disagree with that, im not sure anyone else does though. I find that when i get onstage, and i walk out of the wings into the spotlight with the crowd roaring, that gets me so pumped i dont need anything else. I think more people should try this, just going out and let the music guide them. its true, stage presence is important, but dont plan out your act. when you get up there and start grooving, everything will come to you, and it will be much more natural, and a better show. and always enjoy yourself.
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i HIGLY agree with you, on my first gig my drummer smoked a joint (it was at freakn school too for a telent show battle of teh bands -__-) and he was TERRIBLE but everyone else was great
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#79
I think for encores that you should if you do a ballad still end on an up-beat song. Every big band I can think of does.
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#80
I thought covers worked in encores aswell... or one of your most well known song, I guess you can mix and match since encores are usually 2 or 3 (sometimes 4) songs.