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RandyVanHendrix
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I know I know. Punk is all about simplicity. But lately punk has been sounding the same and it's really getting old. Tell me if you think really technical guitar shred solos would sound cool in music that's usally just bashing power chords.
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Thats far from true. time and time again bands like discharge,contravene,planetary ruins,gism,cryptic slaughter,nail bitter,DIRT have proven to be somewhat if not extremely technical with solos and riffs.They sound more then great.
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#3
operation ivy has some cool guitar parts.

Their not exactly solos, but their some cool sounding guitar parts in the background.

Ramones had some really basic, yet cool. solos on their last few albums.

Thats all that comes to mind. I know some ska bands that solo but not many punk bands.
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Bad Brains had some badass guitar parts. The intro to "I Against I" may sound like what you are talking about.
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#5
Bands with solos/decent guitarists:

New York Dolls
The Clash
Agent Orange
Agnostic Front (If you like shred, you'll like some of Stigma's work)
Aus Rotten
Bad Brains
The Beerleaders
Black Flag
Stray Cats/Brian Setzer (if you count him as punk - but he's amazing anyway, so listen!)
The Circle Jerks
Corrosion of Conformity (If you'd count them as punk)
D.R.I.
The Damned
Dead Kennedys
Discharge
Faraquet
Fear
MC5
No Cash
Social Distortion
The Stooges
Subhumans
The Suspicion
Television
U.S. Bombs
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He's not talking a bout bands that actually have solos, he's talknig about technical, shred-esque solos, so don't waste your time.
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my favorite guitar solo is still nomeansno jesus was a terrorist, followed by marquee moon.
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i'm really no fan of shredding at ungodly speeds like i wish i could play that fast but after a while it gets old meliodic solos is where its at.
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avenged sevenfolds new stuff is kinda like that (dont flame whats punk and whats not has always confused me)
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Bands with solos/decent guitarists:
The Beerleaders



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There's already shread-esque solos in punk music.
See also:
Bad Brains
Dead Kennedys
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yes, if you want proof of talent in punk musicians, listen to pull my strings, sorry for taking your like bryan
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Well, I guess the only ones I mentioned with shreddy solos are:

Agnostic Front
Antischism
Bad Brains
Corrosion of Conformity
D.R.I.
Discharge
EDIT: FORGOT THE FACTION!

There are no real crazy solos in the Suspicion's music, but their guitarist knows his **** and is really good, he just doesn't show it. Trust me, I know him.

And jazz is a lot more technical than shred. Shred is just wanking that doesn't even have to sound musical as long as its played at 60 nps.
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I didn't just mean pure shred like John Petrucci trust me even that gets boring. I mean like a mix kind of like Randy Rhodes. He can play at the speed of light but his solos are emotional and Way more awesome than just emotionless shredding. I just meant really good guitar parts.
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Randy, you should listen to bad brains, there is a lot of raw emotion in their music, and Dr Know is a beast.
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I didn't just mean pure shred like John Petrucci trust me even that gets boring. I mean like a mix kind of like Randy Rhodes. He can play at the speed of light but his solos are emotional and Way more awesome than just emotionless shredding. I just meant really good guitar parts.


Oh, OK. I thought you were one of those "Yngwie Malmsteen is the best guitarist ever" types. I hate those people.
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Oh, OK. I thought you were one of those "Yngwie Malmsteen is the best guitarist ever" types. I hate those people.


No definately not. Granted he's very talented but a guitar solo is meant to be more than just scales moving up 5 octaves really fast.
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You want some guitar solos in some punk music.

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on that note david, check out municipal waste as well.
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no cash, dead kennedys, and the misfits all have some pretty good solos
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even though im not all about them at all and think their annoying GISM has some realy rippin solos almost to the cheesey metal tip that are very technical.
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#22
bad religion did some pretty good solos (some are just typical one note punk solos, others are REAL solos). the outro on generator is a good one (not the first two, the one at the end), atomic garden has some cool harmonics worked in (but not a real solo),
the bass solo in rancid's maxwell murder is just balls out awesome.
maybe electric frankenstein, i've got brainfart at the moment, but a lot of the guys in the 90's were doing them...maybe i'll post again when i've gone through my cd collection.
and to whoever said the misfits did solos...what the hell? you're talking about the micheal graves stuff, right?
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yes, if you want proof of talent in punk musicians, listen to pull my strings, sorry for taking your like bryan


That's actually also the first song that popped into my head.

Lagwagon also has a very technical guitarist. Check out the solo in their one song baggage...
http://www.derrelicte.info/baggage.mp3

Also, Propagandhi has some talent in their guitars...
http://www.derrelicte.info/halloffame.mp3

And lastly, Strung Out has two very technical guitarists...
http://www.derrelicte.info/contender.mp3

Yes, yes, pop-punk etc. etc. They're still good, regardless.
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#25
Power Chords are ****ing **** and useless. Forget about them.

The Dictators have some decent soloing in their songs, it's not shred, but it's fairly fast for the time. Check out their song "the next big thing"
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#26
^ Power chords aren't useless. They're no more useless than any other kind of chord.
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Quote by BrianApocalypse
Power Chords are ****ing **** and useless. Forget about them.

The Dictators have some decent soloing in their songs, it's not shred, but it's fairly fast for the time. Check out their song "the next big thing"


OMG.
I almost agree with Brian.

I disagree with the power chord, but wholeheartedly agree about the Dictators, and was gonna recommend the song "Next Big Thing".

Also, early Manic Street Preachers, Lime Spiders, Radio Birdman, and Hanoi Rocks ALL have amazing guitar solos.
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Broken Bones. **** off And Die has some nice guitar work in it.
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I just flipped on some Generation X, and they have some pretty impressive solos.
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Radio Birdman mos def, and Joe Strummer does good solo's, not just in The Clash, but when he was in the 101ers.

I was also going to say Jesus was a Communist by Reagan Youth but pinhead beat me to it.
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no cash, dead kennedys, and the misfits all have some pretty good solos


The Misfits? They may sound good, but they certaintly aren't technical, which is what this thread is about.
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#33
Power Chords are more useless than other chords. You have to move your hand to go up an octave, you can't switch to interesting chords just like that.

If you play a barre chord, you can play the power chord, the low octave major chord, the high octave power chord, the high octave minor chord, 7ths and all of that stuff, if you use all 5 caged shapes you don't have to move your hand twice as much.

They have their place, and I'm not slagging them off, well, I guess I am, but the point is that if less people just used power chords they'd make better music. There's only so much you can do with those chords. Plus, they don't build your stamina so well. It's easy to 8th note 2 or 3 strings, but harder to do it to 5 or 6.

Not that there's anything wrong with them, it's just that they shouldn't be every course of the meal. I want a bread roll, soup and shred sorbet.

Sure, it's good that a kid can learn play the guitar in 5 minutes, but they should be its starting point, not the lion's share of its knowledge.
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I agree with that somewhat. Since I stopped writing songs with Power-chords... I think my music has gotten alot better.
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I was suprised that only one guy talked about Joe Strummer. Well, i forgot what i was gonna say besides that, so good day.
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Brian you do make a strong argument, and have some valid points, especially with caged shapes making it easier to move up and down octaves quickly.

The problem is that when you're using distortion, you can't generally hear more than 3 notes, and that's why the power chords and barre chords have been used for so long.

Personally, I use lots of suspended 4ths and 7th chords, but I generally have to palm mute open chords or just isolate the strings to keep the sound from getting "muddy", and that can be hit or miss, if you're playing a fast progression.

Plus, with the power or barre chord, you can easily throw in the minor third, for that ole rock and roll sound.
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