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guitarwannabe16
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Im probably gonna sound like an idiot for asking but what's mathcore? and what are some bands that would fall into this genre?
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Mathcore, also known as tech hardcore or chaotic hardcore, is a style of hardcore punk recognized for a high level of technical musicianship. The subgenre has its roots in bands like Botch, Deadguy, Kiss it Goodbye, Knut and Rorschach, Starkweather and is currently being promoted by bands such as The Dillinger Escape Plan, Daughters and Converge.

The music is usually filled with discordant, somewhat technical riffing, complex time signatures and song structures, and usually indecipherable lyrics. Songs played by bands of this style tend to vary from mere seconds in length to over 15 minutes and rarely feature a conventional verse-chorus song structure. Other styles of music, such as blues-rock and free jazz have been known to inspire various mathcore bands.

credit: wikipedia.org

edit: typo
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I'm a fan of mathcore an I'm interested in seeing where it goes in the next few years, i think its getting bigger with the popularization of bands like Dillinger Escape Plan andBetween The Buried And Me
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Quote by Primate-Primus
I'm a fan of mathcore an I'm interested in seeing where it goes in the next few years, i think its getting bigger with the popularization of bands like Dillinger Escape Plan andBetween The Buried And Me

BTBAM are not mathcore.
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No.

Other than Dillinger Escape Plan, Into the Moat, Psyopus, Ion Dissonance are all pretty good.
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Quote by xmrchainsawx
Mathcore, also known as tech hardcore or chaotic hardcore, is a style of hardcore punk recognized for a high level of technical musicianship. The subgenre has its roots in bands like Botch, Deadguy, Kiss it Goodbye, Knut and Rorschach, Starkweather and is currently being promoted by bands such as The Dillinger Escape Plan, Daughters and Converge.

The music is usually filled with discordant, somewhat technical riffing, complex time signatures and song structures, and usually indecipherable lyrics. Songs played by bands of this style tend to vary from mere seconds in length to over 15 minutes and rarely feature a conventional verse-chorus song structure. Other styles of music, such as blues-rock and free jazz have been known to inspire various mathcore bands.

credit: wikipedia.org

edit: typo


thats prob one of a few people who can give you a good definition of mathcore or mathmetal
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BTBAM are not mathcore.



hahaha okay. we'll call them grindcore/metalcore with a substantial amount of odd meters and complex guitar parts that display a very high level of musicianship instead.
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#12
its not that funny to be laughing at the chariot and NJ as mathcore. like it says in the definition, mathcore can be stuff that is less complicated like Botch, Converge and The Minor Times. Or it can be what most people think of it as... bands like Psyopus, DEP and such. pretty much as long as the band is dischordanant and has weird time signature changes. Then its considered mathcore, thats how i thought of it.
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BUT
NJ and the Chariot know two moveable chords:

|--4--
|--7--
|-----

|--0--
|--0--
|--0--

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Quote by HairierThanPwn
BUT
NJ and the Chariot know two moveable chords:

|--4--
|--7--
|-----

|--0--
|--0--
|--0--


Haha. So true. I hate NJ.

They're Putthedistortionto27causewecantplayguitarforshnat-core if anything.
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hahaha okay. we'll call them grindcore/metalcore with a substantial amount of odd meters and complex guitar parts that display a very high level of musicianship instead.

Do you think when they're asked what genre they define themselves as they say "Yeah dood, we're 100% mathcore yo. Straight up."

Don't kid yourself. They're metalcore.

Edit: Oh yeah, and for these types of stupid genre debates, this morning I took every core band in my iTunes library and renamed all their genres to "Core". Makes everythign so much easier.
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Quote by Primate-Primus
hahaha okay. we'll call them grindcore/metalcore with a substantial amount of odd meters and complex guitar parts that display a very high level of musicianship instead.
and a very low level of songwriting ability
and idiot can mash together 20 riffs that have nothing to do with each other into a song

it stinks


p.s. ive never heard anyone outside this board refer to this stuff as mathcore. the name is truly your own
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and a very low level of songwriting ability
and idiot can mash together 20 riffs that have nothing to do with each other into a song

it stinks

It's hard to write 20 good riffs in the first place. Considering that each one of the listed bands has, let's say, 30 songs, that's over 600 good riffs. For just one guitar. For both guitars and the bass that's over 1800 riffs.

Oh yeah, and the drums too... let's not go there.
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It's hard to write 20 good riffs in the first place. Considering that each one of the listed bands has, let's say, 30 songs, that's over 600 good riffs. For just one guitar. For both guitars and the bass that's over 1800 riffs.

Oh yeah, and the drums too... let's not go there.

no one said the riffs were good
they're usually horrid dischordant nonsense and mindless noodling that sounds "mad tech bro"

i could start a grind band tomorrow and have dorky kids in girl pants with pink hair jock my **** like its the bible
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Quote by _Clayman
and a very low level of songwriting ability
and idiot can mash together 20 riffs that have nothing to do with each other into a song

it stinks


p.s. ive never heard anyone outside this board refer to this stuff as mathcore. the name is truly your own


Umm... Most mathcore bands do that. And - the tempo and signiture changes mid song and things... It's chaos that is so organisaised it sounds disorganised. That's the magic of it
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Quote by _Clayman
no one said the riffs were good
they're usually horrid dischordant nonsense and mindless noodling that sounds "mad tech bro"

i could start a grind band tomorrow and have dorky kids in girl pants with pink hair jock my **** like its the bible



Most mathcore bands take alot in from jazz and are extremely techinical and no its generally not mindless noodling also were talking about mathcore not grindcore so what you could do with a grind band is irrelevant also no mathcore is not a term exclusive to this board it was in a ****ing guitar world (no im not saying that makes it better im just saying that its obviously not something just made up on this board)
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Quote by _Clayman
no one said the riffs were good
i could start a grind band tomorrow and have dorky kids in girl pants with pink hair jock my **** like its the bible


this is true. but i like 'mathcore' regardless.
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#28
mathcore is when bands scream 1 2 3 4!!!! 5 6 7 8!!!!! 9 10!!!!!

531!!!! 7 8 9!!!! SEVEN ATE NINE!!!

no seriously, i always thought that mathcore is when the musicians of a "core" genre used MATH to write songs. like certain time signatures played over a different time signature or used the fret numbers to make certain chords based on the FRET number. or like, how many guitars or drums or strings on an instrument there are and figure out an equation or theory.

5 6 7 8!!!!!
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wait...can there then be like...mathrock? mathjazz? mathpop? mathmetal? mathmetalpopcore? electromath? can there even be a thing called...fearbeforecore? and maybe FORKER? FOURCORE!?!?! FOURSCOREANDSEVENYEARSAGOCORE!!!! DECORE?? SEPRACORE!! DIS-CORE-DENT-CORE?!?! thiscorethatcore? CORE-RUPTION?!?!

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Stop with the sub genres god damn.
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Not really. And they aren't mathcore.
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The only Mathcore CD I have is Miss Machine by The Dillinger Escape Plan, and it's great. I recommend it to anyone who likes Mathcore.
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Not really. And they aren't mathcore.


Fear Before The March Of Flames is a mathcore/hardcore band from Denver, Colorado. Formed in 2002, the band consists of Adam Fisher (Guitar, Vocals), Brandon Proff (Drums), David Marion (Lead Vocals) and Michael Madruga (Bass). Their current sound (as of "Art Damage" ) can be described as experimental hardcore drawing influence from the likes of Converge, The Blood Brothers, and Botch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_Before_The_March_Of_Flames

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a wise man once said muber 12 is mathcore

i said

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Quote by xmrchainsawx
Mathcore, also known as tech hardcore or chaotic hardcore, is a style of hardcore punk recognized for a high level of technical musicianship. The subgenre has its roots in bands like Botch, Deadguy, Kiss it Goodbye, Knut and Rorschach, Starkweather and is currently being promoted by bands such as The Dillinger Escape Plan, Daughters and Converge.

The music is usually filled with discordant, somewhat technical riffing, complex time signatures and song structures, and usually indecipherable lyrics. Songs played by bands of this style tend to vary from mere seconds in length to over 15 minutes and rarely feature a conventional verse-chorus song structure. Other styles of music, such as blues-rock and free jazz have been known to inspire various mathcore bands.

credit: wikipedia.org

edit: typo



Word. I was going to say that you were virtually a hundred percent correct, but you credited it from Wikipedia, which is actually a pretty legit and reputable site.

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Quote by SingTheDeadSong
Fear Before The March Of Flames is a mathcore/hardcore band from Denver, Colorado. Formed in 2002, the band consists of Adam Fisher (Guitar, Vocals), Brandon Proff (Drums), David Marion (Lead Vocals) and Michael Madruga (Bass). Their current sound (as of "Art Damage" ) can be described as experimental hardcore drawing influence from the likes of Converge, The Blood Brothers, and Botch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_Before_The_March_Of_Flames



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ok....math-core is as the article described it technical hardcore based around the spontanaiety of time signature changes...so...there are...as the article said two main sub-sub-genres of mathcore...blues influenced and jazz influenced...there for botch and coalesce and the bands they heavily influenced such as norma jean and the chariot are blues-based math-core with do not use the technical complexities which are present in jazzy math-core...which includes bands such as psyopus, into the moat, ion dissonance and such...now can this be settled?
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The only Mathcore CD I have is Miss Machine by The Dillinger Escape Plan, and it's great. I recommend it to anyone who likes Mathcore.


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I think all you guys are wrong with the whole scene of Metalcore.. Metalcore is just a Hybrid of Hardcore music with a more Metal Sound.. Using Metal riffs, and having a little more Melody in the Lyrics.. ie.. Killswitch Engage, God Forbid, Shadows Fall, Overcast.. To which Overcast started the whole Metalcore genre.. Former Overcast vocalist Brian Fair (who is now in shadows fall) was in a band with Killswitch Engage's bassist Mike D'Antonio.. They practicvally invented Metalcore.. Later on in 1998 Overcast Broke up and Brain went to Shadows Fall, and Mike D hooked up with Aftershock's guitarist's Joel Stroetzel and Adam Dutkiewitz to later on form Killswitch Engage with Vocalist Jesse Leach.. Later on becoming the biggest Metalcore band today.. if you still dont know what metalcore sounds like just listen to Shadows Fall or Killswitch Engage..
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