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luv_led_zep
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Well drugs inspired some fantastic rock songs but they also harmed and in some cases killed rockstars.....So did drugs make or break rock n roll?
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I would say it both broke and made it, but moreso made it. I think it is safe to say that without them, a lot of great classic rock that we know today would not have been created, but as well, many of those great artists would probalby still be alive.
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Well drugs didnt kill rock and roll. They didnt force the artists to use them.
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drugs were part of classic rock so it definitely didn't...
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Im really talking about the music, not the whole of rock n roll in its self...majority of classic rock songs were written while the artists were not on drugs, im not saying it didnt inspire lots like Jimi Hendrix's "purple haze" for example. Rock definately could have survived without drugs....well had a good chance
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Well drugs didnt kill rock and roll. They didnt force the artists to use them.


Exactly, Being an idiot killed people not drugs. If that is the case we need to ban flying. Because helicopters and planes killed musicians too.

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^^Well, he looks dead anyway. He's like a re-animated corpse, IMO.

But I think that drugs, however much I dislike the use of them, influenced rock n roll positively. Sometimes. Great songs have come out of drug use. But great songs have also come out of NOT using them. So its hard to say.
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But I think that drugs, however much I dislike the use of them, influenced rock n roll positively. Sometimes. Great songs have come out of drug use. But great songs have also come out of NOT using them. So its hard to say.
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But I think that drugs, however much I dislike the use of them, influenced rock n roll positively. Sometimes. Great songs have come out of drug use. But great songs have also come out of NOT using them. So its hard to say.


That's exactly what I think, too. I mean, just look at Jimi Hendrix; half the stuff he wrote probably wouldn't have been so insane without drugs, and yet drugs also killed him...kinda a double-edged sword right there.
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I saw the Stones live a few months ago, and I swear they propped Keith Richards' corpse up, and had a puppeteer control his undead ass.
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Drugs made it. Abusing drugs broke it. Simplist way to put things.
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Drugs sort of made the music and killed the musicians and then you have ppl like Ozzy Osbourne who are like undead freaks.
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Drugs didn't do shit for music.

Music didn't do shit for drugs.

However, musician's did a shitload of drugs
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drugs are a beautiful disaster,they gave us songs by layne staley like down in a hole and then ended his life
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It amazes me how he's managed to survive his indulgence in drink and drugs and still be able to perform. Same thing with Ozzy. Of course, others (Bolin, Hendrix, Morrison, et al) weren't quite so fortunate.

btw -- I read an interview with Richards in the Nov. '05 issue of Guitar World where he said that Woodie might not be able to make their last tour due to his "severe crack addiction." Was he able to?


FYI, The worlds top doctors placed Keef's ETD (estimated time of death if you don't watch 'Dead Like Me') sometme in 1996. He's literally cheating death every single day of his life.
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It was a factoid on a Much More Music show called 'Uncovered' where they discussed the effects of drugs on music, musicians and their lifestyles. I really don't know much more than that.
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I was actually waiting for all of those.

Surprised I only got 3. Hhehe
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I don't think it made or killed the music that was rock and roll. Musicians may have all (or a good 90% of them) done drugs, but they were also famous people, so you knew about it. Ordinary people did/do them too you know. They are just a part of life for some people, and aren't for others.

I do not think they affected classic rock positively or negatively, they just affected it. If those people didn't do drugs, the music would have been different, but probably still just as good.
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I think rock would be a lot different if drugs weren't about. The Beatles for example, completely middle of the road before they were introduced into drugs and then wen't on to make groundbreaking experimental music.

Drugs take ye on an adventure within yourself and if an artist thinks that they can translate that adventure through music well i'm all for it.


Drugs didn't do shit for music.

Music didn't do shit for drugs.

However, musician's did a shitload of drugs

I'd disagree with the first 2 lines but no-one could argue about the third. I think music does quite a lot for drugs, just look at the amount of clubs with hard dance music with the majority of people chomping at the bit on e's. Also, Spiritualized made an album called "Taking drugs to make music to take drugs to".
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Quote by Maet
FYI, The worlds top doctors placed Keef's ETD (estimated time of death if you don't watch 'Dead Like Me') sometme in 1996. He's literally cheating death every single day of his life.
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#22
sex, DRUGS, and rock n roll. they were all hand in hand, and took some good lives but ultimately MADE rock n roll.
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i think tht the use of drugs could have inspired some great songs in the classic rock era. most musicians will tell you that when they have that buzz they write some of their most loved songs. of course, drugs didnt exactly help Axl Rose's career.
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No. Without dugs, much of which we consider as "classic rock" would't exist. Anyway, look at Aerosmith- during drugs, great. When they went clean they SUCKED. I rest my case.
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Hendrix didn't die because of drug overdose, it's all just a cover-up.
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Look at it this way...when a rockstar that dies in their prime of drugs, we don't have to watch them go through a decline or whither into obscurity. For example, it would've been great for Michael Jordan's legend if he had just dropped dead right after hitting the game winner over Utah in the NBA Finals. We wouldn't have had to watch him in his mediocrity with the Wizards. Think about Eric Clapton. Has he really made any important music since the 80s? Or B.B. King. Yeah, it's cool that an 80 year old still tours, but his voice is weak and his guitar playing hasn't evolved at all in the last...40 years? What's tragic, though, is when musicians die before their prime, like Jeff Buckley, who only released one album before he drowned (not caused by drugs or alcohol, though).
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These men were great before they used drugs, drugs just propelled them into a certain direction of music. Drugs did not enhance their brain or their song writing technique, just gave them something to wirte about. So know Drugs Did Not make or brake Rock music.
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Hendrix didn't die because of drug overdose, it's all just a cover-up.


didn't he suffocate on his own vomit?
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didn't he suffocate on his own vomit?


Yup but I think he vomited because of the drugs.
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didn't he suffocate on his own vomit?


Yep, Hendrix didn't overdose. He had an allegic reaction to pharmacutical sleeping pills, vomitted and drowned. It is in the autopsy report in London.
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I don't think drugs ruined music as much as it ruined the MUSICIANS that took them.

Ozzy, Keith Richards, Keith Moon, Morrison, Hendrix...there are some other nuts that are still around but are so roasted that they might as well be dead.

The 80's metal scene is an example of the excess that comes with being a rock star...and ultimately they all fizzled out because the party no longer was fun and people started dying one by one.

Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley...the list goes on. So no, drugs didn't ruin the music...it ruined the musicians.
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Yep, Hendrix didn't overdose. He had an allegic reaction to pharmacutical sleeping pills, vomitted and drowned. It is in the autopsy report in London.

Huh, never knew that, I'd assumed he'd vomited because of something related to drug use as well.

Sounds even more like a coverup.
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i read a great interview with eric clapton a while back and he put it really well IMO. he said that the decadent lifestyle of musicians in the late 60's/early 70's (ie: heavy drug use of guys like hendrix, cream, zeppelin, the beatles, the stones, the doors etc.) led to them not taking any responsibility over what they were doing.

at first it opened all these doors for experimentation and innovation but after a while the musicians got lost in a world of drugs and stopped making great music any more. brian jones is a perfect example of that: great on the stones early stuff, but lost his way when the drugs took over. clapton went on to say that it was because of this that punk emerged as a sort of rebellion against that whole lifestyle and that it was such a stripped down, raw form of music as a protest against all the over the top, drug fueled music of the 60's. so yeah i think that classic rock from the 60's/70's was born from drugs but also ruined by drugs.

hope that made sense...
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Hendrix died of choking on his own vomit ,primarliy ,cos the medic placed him on his back in the ambulance he was in a comatose state at the time, but still alive, after suffering an adverse reaction to sleeping pills.
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[FONT=Courier New]i think in many ways drugs ruined rock...i am a huge hendrix fan and all people see in hendrix is that he did drugs. He wasnt just a drug man not until he got his record deals did he even start using them. also many drugs were forced opun him. so in that way it did but i didnt entirly ruin rock it was the way they were used by the rock star
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drugs made rock and roll.
one example of that is aerosmith. when they were doing drugs they were a good band but now they dont do drugs and the suck.