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Doesnt every else in here agree that BB king songs all sound the same or begin the same
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"needs some imagination"

obviously bb king could do with takin a leaf out of steve vais book
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Yeah hes good, and hes awesome, but u can tell when its a bb king song the first 2 seconds of the song because he starts out with some pentatonic bend thing
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blues is not about being really creative. stevevaiguy and drunken_master you sure do need some education in blues. not everyone is like steve vai.
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^ I wasn't agreeing with him, I love BB Kings music...he's one of my favourite guitarists. I can't stand Steve Vai becuase he produces unemotional, boring and repetitive "music". I was being sarcastic, but I can see how my post seemed to be agreeing with him about BB being boring.
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Doesnt every else in here agree that BB king songs all sound the same or begin the same.....but hes still O.K. i guess, just needs some imagination

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Doesnt every else in here agree that BB king songs all sound the same or begin the same.....but hes still O.K. i guess, just needs some imagination


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you need some education in the blues


i agree, you seriously need to consider why you call yourself a blues fan.
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Quote by stevevaiguy
Doesnt every else in here agree that BB king songs all sound the same or begin the same.....but hes still O.K. i guess, just needs some imagination

he he B.B King needs imagination... thats a classic. Steve Vai's guitar playing does nothing for me, I far prefer a nice blues solo.
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I think you need a bit of imagination.
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He may not shred like Vai, but he sure as hell is a lot more musical and enjoyable to listen to (at least to me). B.B. King is a blues legend and to say he has no imagination is an unbelievable insult. How dare you, sir?

Oh, by the way, I'm seeing B.B. live March 16.
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#13
he's very distinctive (a good thing), but not repetative
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it's the nature of blues that the changes are going to be the same, but BB king is one of the greatest blues vocalists, which is why i can listen to more of his songs in a row than most any other blues artist.
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OK OK OK i just ask people what they think

Sure Steve Vai may shred but he still shreds melodically.

BB King has done lots of things and i was just saying that when his song starts it sounds the same, I didnt say anything abt Steve Vai ...thats just my name on here, so u have problems if u just started insulting Steve Vai because this is abt BB King, not him.

BB King is definetly one of the top most influential guitarest though in my book

Needs Imagination was the wrong thing to say
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BB did kinda start, if not start influence TREMENDOUSLY, the whole bending and fast vibrato thing so wouldn't it be expected for it to be everywhere in his songs.

BB is not boring and yes you need some education in blues. Yes blues is generally repetitious but its so much more that a I-IV-V pattern.

Edit: Sorry if this sounds harsh; this isn't directly solely at you because many people feel the blues is the same thing over and over.
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yall suck all of u
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As an alternative for BB King, listen to Jimi Hendrix, never ges boring, but not as classic i guess
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We dont need any pre-prubestant 12 year old kids coming in here and being immature. So please for the sake of the Blues and Jazz forum, just leave.
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We dont need any pre-prubestant 12 year old kids coming in here and being immature. So please for the sake of the Blues and Jazz forum, just leave.


While I'm not a regular on this forum, you're quite right, his responses are completely unnecessary and immature.
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the only reason he sounds uncreative is because he uses the same progression (he is a blues musician) for most of his songs
he's actually pretty creative to be able to play over the same progression w/o making it boring, imo

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man you should have never said anything like that about BB KING. Look at the last name. He is not the KING of blues for nothing. And like we all say King vs. Vai ; man come on thats like the houston texans againts the pitt steelers. 2 different styles. Both on top of thier game and ranks in music but clearly a fact... King has sold more albums dvds sold out more shows ect... Sounds the same well if you knew anything about blues and the man himself he has a zone of comfort and he plays within that and that is called the BB box. Sig notes on the fret board *** BB scale** Next time look at the artist in dept before you pop off. Entitled to your opinion but I fell you need to study the history of music and you will find that it all... Rock pop country soul and gospel all come from some form of blues.
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man you should have never said anything like that about BB KING. Look at the last name. He is not the KING of blues for nothing. And like we all say King vs. Vai ; man come on thats like the houston texans againts the pitt steelers. 2 different styles. Both on top of thier game and ranks in music but clearly a fact... King has sold more albums dvds sold out more shows ect... Sounds the same well if you knew anything about blues and the man himself he has a zone of comfort and he plays within that and that is called the BB box. Sig notes on the fret board *** BB scale** Next time look at the artist in dept before you pop off. Entitled to your opinion but I fell you need to study the history of music and you will find that it all... Rock pop country soul and gospel all come from some form of blues.


says the man with the shreddin till i die title. Just chill, noone needs to be this harsh over something so dumb.
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the thing to admire about the good bluesmen is what they are able to do in such a simple context. you have three chords to work with and not a lot of scales that work. the art comes from forcing yourself to try new things with your limited resources. in the same way that writing a poem in a strict form such as sonnet will force you to think of anything you can to make it work, a strict musical form also counterintuitively welcomes a lot of improvisation.
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i love bb king to death too but i agree with stevevaiguy just a little. bb's songs might sound the same, but it works, they sound great and theres some different ones to not be totally boring to someone who doesnt listen to blues a ton (me).
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didnt mean to come arcoss so harsh, just a B B king die heart and I wanted to shed a lil education on the kid as to why the intros and song have the same sound. Hell I love listening to Kurt Cobain as well and many of his songs sound the dame but that is just the style of that artist and its a form with in itself that is built by that person.
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the thing to admire about the good bluesmen is what they are able to do in such a simple context. you have three chords to work with and not a lot of scales that work. the art comes from forcing yourself to try new things with your limited resources. in the same way that writing a poem in a strict form such as sonnet will force you to think of anything you can to make it work, a strict musical form also counterintuitively welcomes a lot of improvisation.


Blues is as simple as you want it to be, but it can be made more complicated with a lot of chord substitution, I'm not an expert on chord substitution, but some jazz guys really go crazy with blues progressions and pull out some weird stuff.

But you are right in other ways too, a good way to test a person's creativity is to see what they can come up with in a very controlled situation, I mean put anyone in a room with a hundred effects and any weirdo can make unusual sounds.
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i love blues but i think bb king is boring. im sorry for those of you who love him, but his musix doesnt excite me.
its a matter of preference.
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Im sure every song sounds the same when you have your head up your ass.
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B.B. King is big guitarist...
To claim that he sounds the same on his songs is a stupid statement...
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yeah the guy earlier was right abt agreeing with what i said, he is very distinct with his music, but unlike eric johnson, hendrix, and clapton, he doesnt pull off stuff that is unique because they always improvise and when they do they make sure that they do something different and that has a unique style to it even though it is all bluesy stuff.

and im not 12 years old and i dont have my head up my ass ....you're too agressive
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I was about to post some scathing sarcastic remark... hell I just signed up to yell at this guy. But then I put one of my B.B. King cd's on, and listened to it, and I'll be goddamed if he's not right. Not ALL of the songs start the excact same, but man... there are a few, like five on "The Ultimate Collection", that start very similarly. I can see how someone who doesn't listen to the whole song will get that impression to be honest. But still, I love B.B. Does it really matter if the song starts somewhat similarly but changes after to something that consistantly is fantastic? Most great bluesmen work like that, look at Robert Johnson. But oui,I do love B.B. King, but a few of his songs do actually start with that one riff. Touché vaiguy.
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ah geez i should have never made this forum, but is makes for damn good discussion so keep going
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Okay, to say that BB King doesnt improvise is just plain stupid. I want to be nice, but that was ridiculous. Maybe i just assume you implyed that when comparing him to Clapton, Johnson, and Hendrix.........who knows. Anyway, i think you judge way to much by the first few notes. Yes, some songs are similar, but you just need to get into his songs, and the blues in general a little more. Every song and every note BB plays portrays an emotion. If you can't understand or feel the emotions he's trying to get across, you will probably find his music boring, but i happen to find BB King a very exciting, creative player.
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^ As do I, very well said.

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Doesnt every else in here agree that BB king songs all sound the same or begin the same

If you mean that all his stuff sounds great... then yes...
Every blues man has got his own signature sound. You can tell a B.B. King song from the first note, same goes for Albert King, Buddy Guy, Muddy, Robert Johnson, Blind Lemon, Pink Anderson, Howlin', well, you get my point. The same could be said for the new school electric bluesmen ie. SRV, Derek Trucks, even Clapton...
EDIT: Something else... when you've been playing blues music for 65ish years. You're bound to use some of the same licks and riffs every now and again, but when your B.B. King it's all going to sound good. He's got more soul in his pinky than the rest of the music industry these days.
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Sorry, i guess i just like dream theater and think that they are the best band inn the entire world and john petrucci is god himself


Dream Theater are good, Petrucci is good, but not God. haha, You've gotta listen to stuff in context though. Prog-metal or whatever is completely different from the blues. if you want blistering solos, listen to Dream Theater, if you want soul and an insight to a lifestyle, listen to the blues.

one more thing, guys like Vai, Satriani, Petrucci and guitarists of the type really can't pull of the blues. I've heard their live 'blues jams' and it's just disgraceful. They're great players, but they don't have what it takes to be a bluesman...
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i didnt say BB King sucked total balls and i hate him and everyone else should hate him too, i just said his songs sometimes start the same
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