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#84
what he said was.


everyone's got that carpal tunnel stuff when you've been doing things with your hands for a long time.

and he said he's been playing for 38 years.
#85
Quote by scheck006
steve morse is known for his picking technique. I can't believe how you are insulting him. definitely not the open minded, non-ignorant thing to do.

I never insulted Morse, nor any other guitarist. Thanks for the bullshit.


I was replying to the statement of "its going to hurt you later"

I figured that someone who's been doing it for 30 years, and hasn't gotten hurt, would be of some value to my point that its not going to cause any wrist problems or damage.

As Freepower already said, he's got carpal tunnel. An extremely common side effect from incorrect picking technique in guitarists.


of course hammering nails with your hands will actually cause pain, so I have no clue in how this relates to anchoring. I can see why you chose this example though, it's because your desperate to prove to me that your way of doing things is right, and even though you've said you could care less about the way I do things...you're still trying to make me look like an idiot.

1) I don't need to make you look like an idiot, you're doing a perfectly good job of it yourself.

2) Apprarently you don't understand the concept of a "metaphor", so I'll dumb down the previous statement for you to understand: If someone practices something WRONG for a very long time very diligently, they may very well get good at it. This does not mean, however, that the way they have practiced it is necessarily the most correct or most efficient way.

Capiche?


yea...tenfold better guitar players. I'm pretty sure that 10x better than petrucci is impossible. Is there any reasoning behind this statement? seeing as how you're saying I'm ignorant and all, I'm just wondering if there was anything you were basing this upon. other than the way you like to play guitar.

O.K., kid, let's get this straight before you completely convince me you are mildly retarded: Free-hand playing is NOT my way of playing. I didn't invent it. I didn't even like it up until I decided to dedicate pretty much my life to music and playing guitar. It is an extremely efficient way to eliminate tension while playing, as well as allowing your true speed and dexterity to come through.

Now that that's (hopefully) done with, I'll tell you my reasoning behind the statement you are referring to: Anchoring slows down guitarists. That's not an opinion, or a bias, or anything like that. It's a goddamn fact.

If you don't believe me, believe physics. Physics will tell you that the least amount of surface area interacting with another surface equals less friction, and therefore, more speed.


if they are the product of practice, then the only reason you have for not being as good as them, is laziness. In fact, it should be 10x easier for you to achieve their level. seeing as how you're not even close, I can only assume that you're 10x as lazy as them.

I like how you're on my ass about apparently judging your guitar abilities, and yet you make a completely uneducated statement on my playing.


there's something that's called gravity. its really nice because your hand will stick to the guitar without having to press it! seeing as how the guitar is lower than your elbow of course.

Yeah, well bud, sorry to burst your bubble, but gravity pushes things down, not sideways.

So unless you play exclusively on your back, your theory is kind of out the window...
#86
Quote by scheck006
what he said was.


everyone's got that carpal tunnel stuff when you've been doing things with your hands for a long time.

and he said he's been playing for 38 years.



Yes, but he also has to douse his hands in hot then cold water for an hour before a gig. Dont selectively quote to hide his pain. RSI, carpal, they're all a ****ing bitch - i have problems right now from stretch legato, and to dismiss it as "everyone" is wrong. I know where i made my practicing mistakes. Wrist position was not 100% perfect, and the more you play, the bigger your stretches, the less you'll get away with it.

Anchoring bull**** aside, take my advice on that.
#87
Quote by Zamboni


I like how you're on my ass about apparently judging your guitar abilities, and yet you make a completely uneducated statement on my playing.




does this mean your better than petrucci? that's hard to believe. i'm sorry. I was clearly making an uneducated assumtion
#88
Quote by scheck006
does this mean your better than petrucci? that's hard to believe. i'm sorry. I was clearly making an uneducated assumtion

I didn't say I was better or worse than anyone.

I simply know what's good practice and what is not.

(Nice rebuttle by the way... )
#89
How can someone be BETTER than Petrucci? Seriously, WHAT?

And man, do you EVER give up, even though you've been proven wrong a multitude of times?
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#91
^basically your arguement boils down to personal preference, whatever feels comfortable. then i guess i should stop using my pinkie and alt picking and just do downstrokes
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#92
Quote by scheck006
well steve morse has been doing it for 30 years.


actually u got the wrong picking technique for morse and pettrucci if u say that they never bend there wrist when they play, they both change strings by moving there elbows up and down sorry, nice try

and theres no point i arguing in this btw its whatever works for that person
#93
Quote by metalmaster362
actually u got the wrong picking technique for morse and pettrucci if u say that they never bend there wrist when they play, they both change strings by moving there elbows up and down sorry, nice try

and theres no point i arguing in this btw its whatever works for that person


morse on his instructional video says that he doesn't pick from the elbow, but from the wrist. nice try


and theres no point i arguing in this btw its whatever works for that person

that's my whole argument. obviously I'm wrong though
#96
^ a lot of things can cause carpal, its mostly tension and joint angling though.

Basically, picking in any form is unlikely to cause CT, IF your joints are properly loose and angled.
#97
all this arguing back and forth is pointless...bottom line is, zam is right, and some mediocre little boy is trying to back up the fact that his technique isn't incorrect because petrucci or morse does the same thing...a classic quarrel...but like zam said before, you can get better at hammering nails with your hand after doing it long enough...if you don't want to end up with carpal tunnel or arthritis or whatnot, then good technique is the key, and anchoring is NOT good technique, regardless of who does it or how good they are
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#98
Quote by Zamboni
It is a cause of carpal tunnel though.


nice fact

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all this arguing back and forth is pointless...bottom line is, zam is right, and some mediocre little boy is trying to back up the fact that his technique isn't incorrect because petrucci or morse does the same thing...a classic quarrel...but like zam said before, you can get better at hammering nails with your hand after doing it long enough...if you don't want to end up with carpal tunnel or arthritis or whatnot, then good technique is the key, and anchoring is NOT good technique, regardless of who does it or how good they are


and what gives you and zam so much authority? you have yet to prove that anchoring is harmful or less accurate.
#99
anchoring is retarded. it limits string skipping capabilities
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#100
Quote by Vital remains
anchoring is retarded. it limits string skipping capabilities



Before you get hounded by the attack squad, I'll just go ahead and tell you that you're wrong. You can still do everything unanchored that you can do anchored.

(By my own admission, I anchor. Although this thread is somewhat convincing to switch to not anchoring... hmm....)
#101
^Uhm, I think you misunderstood his post Slurgi...
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#102
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^Uhm, I think you misunderstood his post Slurgi...


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Apparently?
#103
Quote by scheck006
nice fact

From MusiciansHealth.com:

"A fourth factor is any occupation that involves direct compression upon the carpal tunnel itself. The major player here is use of a computer mouse. Most people will rest their wrists on mouse pad, and extend the hand and fingers to click the button. This posture puts direct pressure on the area of the carpal tunnel. A prolonged posture such as this will lead to nerve compression. Of course, the same goes for anyone who wrests their wrists on the wrist pad or table top."


This can be directly applied to the resting of the wrist on a guitar's bridge.
#104
Quote by Zamboni
From MusiciansHealth.com:

"A fourth factor is any occupation that involves direct compression upon the carpal tunnel itself. The major player here is use of a computer mouse. Most people will rest their wrists on mouse pad, and extend the hand and fingers to click the button. This posture puts direct pressure on the area of the carpal tunnel. A prolonged posture such as this will lead to nerve compression. Of course, the same goes for anyone who wrests their wrists on the wrist pad or table top."


This can be directly applied to the resting of the wrist on a guitar's bridge.


so do yu keep your wrist off the table when you use your mouse coz that would be ****en annoying!!!
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#106
"A fourth factor is any occupation that involves direct compression upon the carpal tunnel itself. The major player here is use of a computer mouse. Most people will rest their wrists on mouse pad, and extend the hand and fingers to click the button. This posture puts direct pressure on the area of the carpal tunnel. A prolonged posture such as this will lead to nerve compression. Of course, the same goes for anyone who wrests their wrists on the wrist pad or table top."
#107
Quote by scheck006
"A fourth factor is any occupation that involves direct compression upon the carpal tunnel itself. The major player here is use of a computer mouse. Most people will rest their wrists on mouse pad, and extend the hand and fingers to click the button. This posture puts direct pressure on the area of the carpal tunnel. A prolonged posture such as this will lead to nerve compression. Of course, the same goes for anyone who wrests their wrists on the wrist pad or table top."


well i will take my chances!!
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#108
Sometimes anchoring is better, you have to admit it. Lightly resting your palm on the bridge allows for quick and easy muting, it really helps clean up ringing strings and whatnot. As long as it is not constricting your hand to one spot, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. It is often simply more comfortable to rest your hand in a spot then to keep it floating, and then use the floating techniqe for when you want big movements. A good player will use a combonation of both, because there are advantages and disadvantages to both techniques. When you are not string skipping or sweeping, there is no need for a floating hand so a light anchor on the bridge actually gives you an advantage.
#110
Quote by John Kimble
Sometimes anchoring is better, you have to admit it. Lightly resting your palm on the bridge allows for quick and easy muting, it really helps clean up ringing strings and whatnot.

A good player will not need to "clean up" ringing strings with a rested palm.

As long as it is not constricting your hand to one spot, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

That is exactly what anchoring is! Constricting your hand to one spot is precisely how anchoring works.

It is often simply more comfortable to rest your hand in a spot then to keep it floating, and then use the floating techniqe for when you want big movements.

Comfort does not necessarily equal good technique, and in fact, if you took the time to increase your free-hand playing skill, you will notice that it is much more comfortable to keep your hand and wrist in a floating position than it is to plant it on a guitar body.

A good player will use a combonation of both, because there are advantages and disadvantages to both techniques. When you are not string skipping or sweeping, there is no need for a floating hand so a light anchor on the bridge actually gives you an advantage.

Again, a good player will realize that there is nothing you can't get from floating that you can get from anchoring, and will realize that anchoring serves no other purpose than a crutch and a hinderance on a person's playing.
#111
Quote by Zamboni
A good player will not need to "clean up" ringing strings with a rested palm.




then how do you clean up ringing strings? strings ring when you aren't even playing them. that has nothing to do with your technique. especially at high gain/high volume situations
#112
Quote by scheck006
then how do you clean up ringing strings? strings ring when you aren't even playing them. that has nothing to do with your technique. especially at high gain/high volume situations

With a fretting hand mute some of the time, but I mean, somtimes yes, you do need to mute with your palm. But that doesn't mean you need to rest your palm on the guitar all the time.

As I've said before, palm muting and other momentary palmed things on the guitar is not a bad thing necessarily. But a constant rest is not good at all.
#114
I just read the mouse pad-carpal tunnel quote again.

It says that if you rest your hand then stretch your fingers to reach the buttons, so since I have me fingers on the buttons in the first place and then rest me hand then I'm fine.

So using this logic if you keep relaxed ( like you should ) and have your hand in sensible position then they'd be no damage done(?)
#115
that has nothing to do with your wrist, your wrist doesn't move when you use the mouse. its the fact that you have your wrist bent up and then you use your fingers
#116
Quote by scheck006
so a momentary solution to a constant problem?


If its a constant problem, then you're obviously doing something wrong. Seriously, seriously wrong.

I mute with my right hand, by allowing my thumb to touch strings as it comes down from the float for the next stroke - if my strings have time to start ringing in between pickstrokes, then damn me to hell, i dont know WHAT will stop the ****ers.
#118
so what percentage of players would you say anchor to not anchor?
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#119
well good players that know anything about guitar its 0% to 100% obviously