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mr_clapton
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#1
I just got through watching the guitars suck clips and it got me thinking there were lots of younger people on there who were technically much more proficient than anyone 10-20 years ago, you have those people like cooly, guthrie and thal who are all relatively young. How good do you think the generation after these will be and this happens to be our generation so how far do you think it could possible by taken?
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#2
Well, theres no limit. back in the sixties people couldnt believe that Eric Clapton could play so many notes so quickly in the solo to crossroads by cream, and look how far guitar playing has moved on since then!
I think buckethead is possibly one of the new generation of shredders, i dont think hes all that old and his technique is practically perfect (although i still dont like his music). But really, im sure in 20 years people will be doing things with guitars we would never have thought possible today.

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mr_clapton
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#3
so you think it to be possible in 20 years time on a technical aspect of course that many people would be able to play 40 nps and the new MAB can play 80? its almost unreasonable
Originally posted by dave_c2k2
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Matt_Malmsteen
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#5
Personally I think the next generation of shredders looks good, I mean people like Buckethead and John 5 are what I see as the next generation of shred.

I don't really think people can anything in terms of speed is really going to come out and blow people's minds, the poster above said 40nps I don't personally think that's possible and if it ever was it'd just be a blur of notes, nothing really interesting.

But I think in terms of cool noises, accuracy erm just general good technique and inspiring people such as ourselves and younger then the next generation is going to be great.

Saying that with all the popularity of crappy pop punk guitarists and people such as that, in terms of mainstream appeal shred isn't going to suddenly over throw that and become immensly popular but it's never gonna stop being there. Also with the popularity of said crappy guitarist alot of the guitarist from our generation(by this I mean like teens) are gonna be ****....simply because their idols are people like Billie Joe and twats like that.

...And after watching vids of poeple on here, looks all good
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#6
Mostly the new generation of shredders are wankers. (Excluding Guthrie and few others)

I think the techincal aspects won't develop very much anymore. It hasn't done that much in 20 years. Besides, just trying to reach a high nps is pointless.
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#7
Quote by mr_clapton
I just got through watching the guitars suck clips and it got me thinking there were lots of younger people on there who were technically much more proficient than anyone 10-20 years ago, you have those people like cooly, guthrie and thal who are all relatively young. How good do you think the generation after these will be and this happens to be our generation so how far do you think it could possible by taken?


Vai, Satch, Yngwie, Becker, Friedman and Lane were all around 10 years ago. Half of them were around 20 years ago... Not much has changed really.
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#8
I don't think it's going to change all that much, I mean, surely our hands can only move so fast.
However, I believe that we'll see a huge change in style and technique, and hell, with the speed technology is currently advancing we might even see a new style of guitar, a sort of "neo-guitar" or something.
We'll always have a set of true legends from each generation, but I think the reason that theres a lot more talented than youngsters than before is due to the popularity increase of the guitar, I think more people are willing to learn, and they are also willing to experiment.
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#9
i think people will tire of speed eventually, and try and play more simply.then john frusciante willl be recognised as the true genious.
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apocalypse13
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#10
The only thing I can say could make anyone better is that the influences are different.

I mean most shredders were inspired by Deep Purple, Zeppelin, etc. We're inspired by shredders too, something Blackmore and whoever else couldn't have experienced. So maybe more influences and increased interest in music theory could make the new generation better, but like Burn said, nothing really has changed.
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#11
Boundaries can always be pushed, however I don't know how far they can be pushed as far as speed.

Pure speed is a physical/coordination achievement. My dad works in probability, so he's told me that there are models for breaking a lot of physical records.

For example: home run records in baseball. With no outside tampering, on average the records will get broken quickly towards the start of baseball, then there will be longer and longer intervals between times when the record is broken, as it becomes harder and harder to break. (The reason this is an example is because steroids upset the model: records were able to be broken in unreasonable amounts because steroids weren't factored in originally and gave an unfair advantage).

So there will probably be some kind of ceiling where very few people can break the speed record, and it will take longer and longer for people to break speed records. Unless some kind of guitar steroid is developed.
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#12
There wont be another Vai or Satch, although there will be innovators.
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#13
We're gonna see some crazy mofo with a robot hand in the future who does like 230 nps.
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#14
play from the soul and get wild, drunk and have fun,
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#15
Let's just wait and see... How 'bout that.
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#16
The crazy thing that I think about is that 100's of years ago music was more about tradition than about originality. Then the 20th century hit and music's focus was almost entirely on originality. Now we've reached the point where you must be original to be well respected. All of the Billie Joe copy-cats are going nowhere, although they might have a few hits.

Now what about in shredding on guitar? How many different ways can there be to play the same guitar?

One learning technique that Steve Vai has is to perform a common technique over and over until it gets boring, and then, out of sheer boredom, you try to accomplish the same technique in new and innovative ways. This works for vibrato, trills, legato, staccato, harmonics, tapping, etc. The possibilities are huge.

I'm more excited about the future of guitar composition, rather than shredding. People like Ron Thal, Mattias Eklund, Justin King (acoustic guitar), aren't exactly NPS freaks, but they sure have amazing technique, and great songs.
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#17
I don't think any new technique will emerge that will acctually make a record sound better.

I mean, what Eddie Van Halen did sounded completely different from anything before, i just don't believe that there's anything else that will get anywhere close to the impact that tapping did.
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#18
How about some of the really young kids on the net? Chris Feener and Carl Fernandes are two guys that come to mind. They arent doing anything revolutionary or anything, but they both have excellent technique. Look for Chris Feener on Youtube or Google Vid. You might be impressed... or maybe not. Worth checking out though
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#19
Half of us here will probably be the next generation. I wouldn't be suprised, UG is a pretty wide network. Of course, not everyone goes on the internet and not everyone uses the forums a lot, but of this forum, i'd say 50-70% are serious about making it.
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#21
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Half of us here will probably be the next generation. I wouldn't be suprised, UG is a pretty wide network. Of course, not everyone goes on the internet and not everyone uses the forums a lot, but of this forum, i'd say 50-70% are serious about making it.



True say there.
I also agree with people who said that there isn't going to be loads of ground breaking in the future simply because virtually everything that can be done on guitar has been done....unil they start thinking up new crazy effects or...even crazier guitars...then god knows.....
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#22
At some point evry single note sequence will be played... And then some Japanese dude will somehow "make" a new note.
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#23
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Half of us here will probably be the next generation. I wouldn't be suprised, UG is a pretty wide network. Of course, not everyone goes on the internet and not everyone uses the forums a lot, but of this forum, i'd say 50-70% are serious about making it.

I can hope.

You shouldn't devote everything to it though, because what if you get 99% of the way there, then fall back down?

You need a backup career in case.
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#24
^ I agree. I take more of the realistic approach first, i.e. an education-first attitude, but it seems to me that a lot of UGers are pushing through full steam ahead to make it. After witnesses many "any college leavers/dropouts" etc threads, i've got good reason to believe this is the case for a lot of UGers.
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#25
Yeah, I see what you mean.

Education first is the way to go though.
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#26
maybe shred will be popular again with our generation?

i listen to satch and malmsteen and vai and stuff at class and everyone seems to be blown away by it all.....
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#27
As much as I think I would rather play music...

I am pretty young, and I change my judgement quickly. I have the oppurtunity to attend a great college, so why waste it? I'll get a degree, then decide what to do with my life.

If I want to play music, I can give it a shot, but if I'm on the road and realize that I really want a family and this just won't cut it, I'll have the oppurtunity for a job.


I know people say if you want something you have to go all-out for it, but that's what my uncle did. Smart guy, but blew his chances and he has to work five times as hard to make up for it now.
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#28
I say its our generation's responsibility to bring back good guitar playing..... and the hippie culture, AND the eighties.....The best would be a mid 80's/late 60's combo decade. Everyone drop out of school, grab a sheet of acid and an 8ball, wear a tiedye shirt with tight black leather pants, pick up your guitar of choice and get to it!!!!

But thats just my opinion...
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#29
^ That would be fairly awesome.
On topic: I think it must only be possible for the human body to be able to play so fast/ so well. It's like with a 100m race, do you really think that anyone will ever be able to run the 100m in 4 seconds?
Also music does have it's limits (albeit very few of them). So I think that it's going to be hard to progress much further when seeing what guys like Cooley, and Fareri are capable of, I guess the closest anyone could get to bettering the way thiongs are is if there was a shredder with Rusty's technique, and the compositional skills of say Vai. I'll admit Shawn Lane almost was that.
I don't think shred will ever be 'popular' again as it mostly takes a certain type of person to want to listen to it and appreciate it. Ie my girlfriend likes for the love of God and I've gotten her into a bit of Satch, she isn't a guitarist but the problem is, nine out of ten other people that I've played shred to think its appalling guitar wankery.(Bloody MTV and stupid Rn'B n Hip-Hop)
Saying that listening to some of the people on UG and on guitar war. I don't think all is lost in terms of shred for the future I think there are still a lot of great young people out there with brilliant ideas so...We'll see.
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#30
Music doesnt have any limits, only people have.
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#31
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As much as I think I would rather play music...

I am pretty young, and I change my judgement quickly. I have the oppurtunity to attend a great college, so why waste it? I'll get a degree, then decide what to do with my life.

If I want to play music, I can give it a shot, but if I'm on the road and realize that I really want a family and this just won't cut it, I'll have the oppurtunity for a job.


I know people say if you want something you have to go all-out for it, but that's what my uncle did. Smart guy, but blew his chances and he has to work five times as hard to make up for it now.

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#32
I dont think fransesco fareri is pushing the limits of music....Maybe the limits of listenable music...but thats just me. Music will never stop evolving, it is just a means of expression, and the guitar is just a tool. There are no limits to what someone can write, or say, or paint in a picture to express their creativity and emotions, and nor is there to the music someone can make. There may be limits to what a human can physically do with a guitar, but human expression is a forever changing, and if we can be creative enough with our guitars we can certainly say something noone has ever heard before... and if we make a statement powerful enough it might just bring great guitar playing back into popularity. Thats the only way I see shred becoming mainstream again, because I don't think people are magically going to start liking something they have heard before......and screw society and getting a job. Our culture is based on materialistic success.... we should all be hippies!!! .....I say this as I finish up some college apps and get my math homework done Start the revolution!!!!!!!!
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#33
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At some point evry single note sequence will be played... And then some Japanese dude will somehow "make" a new note.


lol

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#34
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How about some of the really young kids on the net? Chris Feener and Carl Fernandes are two guys that come to mind. They arent doing anything revolutionary or anything, but they both have excellent technique. Look for Chris Feener on Youtube or Google Vid. You might be impressed... or maybe not. Worth checking out though

what's wrong with that kid's face? (chris feener) he looks like he's about to poop
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#35
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At some point evry single note sequence will be played... And then some Japanese dude will somehow "make" a new note.


Dont be silly. Muso-freaks have been doing that since forever!

I recently heard some music with a 52 tet (octave divisions) tuning system. IMAGINE.


And you forget the power of rhythm. If i remember right, theres over 16 million possible phrases using just DIATONIC notes and only going to 16th notes...

Let alone the fact that those notes could be articulated incredibly differently - slides, whammy, vibrato, dynamics.... - and at different tempos.

And thats not doing crazy things like not playing in 4/4, or having 52 notes to choose from.

With music the limit is your imagination.
mr_clapton
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#36
and also in some eastern music you have quarter tones not just semi tones giving even more variation
Originally posted by dave_c2k2
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Matt_Malmsteen
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#39
Yeah there's always all that microtonal stuff and crazy weird music that seems to have no real time signature or anything but is just...good and insane....like all that crazy eastern and weird ass folk muic from random countries.
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#40
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what's wrong with that kid's face? (chris feener) he looks like he's about to poop



Haha. He's weird like that. There was one video of him shredding for a few minutes and his mouth was open the entire time. It looked like he was gonna start drooling. But the kid does have chops..

And speaking of the "new generation".. anyone pick up the new Guitar World and hear that Atreyu song that came on the cd-rom? I wasnt interested in listening at first, but in the article about them it said that their guitarist is a "self-proclaimed shredder and tap-master" . So I gave it a listen.. and HOLY CRAP it was terrible. Honestly one of the worst solos I've ever heard in a song. It reminds me of the BAD, whammy-bar abusive soloing from the 80's. Doesn't fit the song and doesnt even sound musical really. It kinda bugs me that these guys are calling themselves the new generation of metal and shredding.