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Stratwizard
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#1
I got okay from andrewbiles to do this, so this is how it goes:

If you got any questions related to shred techniques (i.e alternate picking, sweep picking, legato, tapping etc.) POST THEM HERE!

This is basically meant to get rid of those "how to start shred" and all the technique question threads popping up.

This thread is also good for shred noobs to gather information about shred techniques, and how to start with correct practice routines and so on.

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yeah ive been playin about 18 months. started learnin shred about 6 months ago. i can only manage like 10 nps. whenever i go faster than that, its super sloppy. how can i get away from that. flame all you want.
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Great idea!
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Quote by buckethead>you
yeah ive been playin about 18 months. started learnin shred about 6 months ago. i can only manage like 10 nps. whenever i go faster than that, its super sloppy. how can i get away from that. flame all you want.


It's most likely the lack of practice. You've practised shred only 6 months, don't expect to go fast after so short period of time. It's all about building muscle memory. I suggest to set metronome so slow that you can play every note cleanly. Then start building the speed.
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#5
Nice thread idea.

Can someone give a good definition of legato? I guess I have the basic idea, I mean I know it means smoothe and you do it using mostly hammerons and slides and stuff, but I need examples and excercises!

Also, I could definately use some tips on practicing shredding. Right now I'm just trying to build as much strength in my fingers and arm as I can with chromatic excercises and permutations all the way up the neck. BTW I've been playing for a little over 2 years and I'm probly the best in my town but I'm still slow for what I should probably be.
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Quote by Gman400
Nice thread idea.

Can someone give a good definition of legato? I guess I have the basic idea, I mean I know it means smoothe and you do it using mostly hammerons and slides and stuff, but I need examples and excercises!

Also, I could definately use some tips on practicing shredding. Right now I'm just trying to build as much strength in my fingers and arm as I can with chromatic excercises and permutations all the way up the neck. BTW I've been playing for a little over 2 years and I'm probly the best in my town but I'm still slow for what I should probably be.


If you want a good example of legato, listen the solo for Tender Surrender by Steve Vai. Try learning some licks from there.

You should definitely learn scales and arpeggios. Not just chromatics.

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thanks, ill do that. btw dude you freakin wail! how long u been playin?


Thanks. I've been playing about 3 years now.
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Right now I can do chromatics at about 5nps what should I do to get faster. Ive been playing for about a year and a half. And what is the first thing I should learn if I want to shred.(Besides alternate picking.)
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Quote by mortiis999
I can play a chromatic legato run, ascending, in 64ths, dunno what that is in notes per seconds



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How does one "economy pick".
Sweeping means using a single picking stroke up or down across two or more strings. It means that when playing, one must make sure that the last note on a string, the pick is poised in the direction of the next string containing the next notes.

Sweeping is a combination of alternate and sweeping techniques. The reason is simple. It is impossible to sweep on one string So, on a single string, one still need to alternate pick.
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Quote by Stratwizard
If you want a good example of legato, listen the solo for Tender Surrender by Steve Vai. Try learning some licks from there.

You should definitely learn scales and arpeggios. Not just chromatics.



Thanks I've heard that song before but I'll look into it in detail. Oh and I know some arpeggios and all my modes and stuff so I'm not only practicing chromatics, that's just been what's taking up a lot of my time lately.

In the second paragraph he meant to say "Economy picking." Basically if you do a downstroke on a string, then you go to the string above that one you again use an downstroke, which makes it kinda sweeping. If you end on an upstroke and you go to the string below, you use another upstroke. If you stay on the same string you just alternate.
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Quote by mortiis999
rest of band is at 220 - 245, changes half way through


You reckon you can play 64th notes at that tempo?
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Well, I'd like to know how can I improve at guitar playing. I consider myself a "kinda regular" here at the shred forums but I'm not THAT great of guitar player myself since I've been playing for just recently, 2 years. I've started to get into shredding just about 3 months ago so I consider myself "noob at shreding". Can you give me advice and some songs I should get into?
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#19
Call me crazy but im pretty sure we already had a thread for this.


Sweeping means using a single picking stroke up or down across two or more strings. It means that when playing, one must make sure that the last note on a string, the pick is poised in the direction of the next string containing the next notes.

Sweeping is a combination of alternate and sweeping techniques. The reason is simple. It is impossible to sweep on one string So, on a single string, one still need to alternate pick.


I know what sweep picking is. I asked what economy picking is.
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Once again, he meant to say "Economy picking" in the 2nd paragraph.
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umm i was wondering do you guys turn the pick a little bit of go exactly parrallel to the strings
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I have a kind of weird problem, I dont know if its technique, but Ill put it here anyway: I've just started trying to "shred", (more like playing solos) but it seems like there are just some things I cannot play at all. For example, I cannot for the life of me play Eruption. I've been working on it for quite a while, and have gotten basically nowhere. Yet, there are other songs, like Eugene's Trickbag or Mr. Crowley, that are generally considered more difficult to play, but I am able to pick up really quickly. Anyone got any ideas?
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Quote by Csquared1001
umm i was wondering do you guys turn the pick a little bit of go exactly parrallel to the strings


I angle it; most guitarists recommend that.
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Quote by mortiis999
yes

edit actually no, i checked, its 16ths at 245 bpm


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The attached is a powertab of 16ths @ 245 bpm...
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how many nps is that?

good thread, btw.



245 x 4 = 980

980 / 60 = 16.33(Repeating)


So 16.3 nps.
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Excellent thread idea Strat.

Quote by SnowballofDoom
I angle it; most guitarists recommend that.


I angle it as well. I personally find it a bit difficult to play most songs when the pick is directly parallel with the strings. But meh....that's just me. And we all know I aint anything special on guitar
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When you say parallel...do you mean that when the pick hits the string the entire surface of the tip makes contact at the same time, or do you mean you hold the picks tip not straight down on the string, but instead facing slightly towards the neck of the guitar?
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^I think he meant the first one. I'm not sure though. I'm tired and having a bit of trouble interpretting what you are saying.
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Sorry, I know it's confusing, lol.

Basically I think I'm asking do you mean: Holding the picks tip perpendiclar to the strengths length (as in pointing straight down onto the guitars body)

or do you mean holding the side of the pick facing parallel with the string.
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#31
We mean keeping the pointy end facing toward the pickups, but slightly turning the entire pick (angling) it so the side of it 'slices' the string.

Like in this pic:



One side of his pick is closer to the floor than the other.
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Maybe Vai's boney hands are just a side-effect of being awesome. You know, like GibsonSG's weird breathing
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Okay thanks for the clarification. Nice pic too lol.

Speaking of hands, I remember a while back I posted an audio clip of my friend shredding and then explained how I only had 4 fingers on my left hand and posted a pic and edited out the middle finger lol. This was on a different forum btw but everyone was like OMG UR SO AWSUM.
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Quote by Csquared1001
umm i was wondering do you guys turn the pick a little bit of go exactly parrallel to the strings


I angle it. I have no idea, how one can pick without angling it.
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I do both parallel and angled... Different sounds.
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