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#81
I've also decided that shawn lane is an extraterrestrial, sent down to earth to make everyone else on the planet's guitar playing look like ****.....I'm watching google videos.....
#82
^ Yup that's pretty much the point why he was born, to show the flaw in all of our technique.
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#83
Quote by Stratwizard
First of all, the wrist motions...
Oscillation

Lay your wrist down again, but with the bone nearest the little finger resting on the surface, and the bone nearest the thumb up in the air. Your wrist should be rotated 90 degrees from where it was before, rolled away from your body. Restrain it. You'll have to hold the pen differently, but now if you rotate you will just make dots. The solution is oscillation, the same kind of motion used in knocking on a door or playing piano from the wrist. It is what most people use when writing, also, although usually with more like a 45 degree wrist offset. Now the pen makes long arcs again.


im sorry, even with the lane video i'm having trouble seeing how this is different than rotation. i see how the motion you explained is different from what you called rotation, but it looks like oscillation is just rotation with your arm starting at a different angle. for guitar, i dont know how to translate that, since you're not going to hold the edge of your arm to the guitar and come down on the strings like with a pen. can you perhaps elaborate, or post a very slow video of it if you have that ability.

and on another note, in lane i think theres actually a shredder i somewhat enjoy listening to.
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#84
^ You trasnlate it like this. It is like knocking a door, thats the easiest way to think of it, the easiest way to make it work is to have your fingers facing the ground almost parrallel with the ground, so that your up movement of the wrist is the downstroke and your down movement is the upstroke.
#85
Quote by Stratwizard
I'm wondering how you keep you hand when you pick...


Loose fist.

I dont have problems so much with wrist and hand as the "top" of my forearm, if you're looking down at the back of your hand like you're typing.

Mostly because i've been trying to get a really chunky pick attack and varied dynamics - basically, its really hard to pick fast and HARD, y'know?
#86
Ok let me ask a question. If Shawn Lane does something, does it mean its right? You guys look up to him as though he's the angel of technique or something, when I think his picking sounds mushy and undefined, and that his whammy use is for want of a better term, ****ing crap. God knows I'd prefer picking like Gilbert's or Di Meola's, even if it is slower.
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#87
Quote by Prophet of Page
Ok let me ask a question. If Shawn Lane does something, does it mean its right? You guys look up to him as though he's the angel of technique or something, when I think his picking sounds mushy and undefined, and that his whammy use is for want of a better term, ****ing crap. God knows I'd prefer picking like Gilbert's or Di Meola's, even if it is slower.


And i can guarentee you that 95% of people on this board think you're wrong.
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#88
Quote by slash_620
And i can guarentee you that 95% of people on this board think you're wrong.



Yeah but I don't give a shit.
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#89
Quote by Prophet of Page
Yeah but I don't give a shit.


Oh, i forgot, Lane>you
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#92
Quote by slash_620
Me>


Glad you took it lightly. Twas a joke.
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#93
Quote by Prophet of Page
Ok let me ask a question. If Shawn Lane does something, does it mean its right? You guys look up to him as though he's the angel of technique or something, when I think his picking sounds mushy and undefined, and that his whammy use is for want of a better term, ****ing crap. God knows I'd prefer picking like Gilbert's or Di Meola's, even if it is slower.


I agree with you completely. IMO Shawn Lane is an annoying wanker. Can't stand his playing or speaking.
#94
Quote by Prophet of Page
Glad you took it lightly. Twas a joke.


Aye

Tbh, i don't know why i visit here so often, i think most shreders are emotionless robots.
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#95
I'd also agree with some of the stuff PoP said, even though I quite like Shawn Lane. Even though Lane's picking is really fast and clean, to me it sometimes sounds like I'm listening to it from miles away. It's partly his tone, but also the way he plays.
I generally prefer the sound of a more powerful, aggressive pick attack, like Gilbert's.
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#96
I like Shawn Lane and his picking technique...
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#98
Quote by slash_620
And i can guarentee you that 95% of people on this board think you're wrong.


Not me.

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#99
^ Was that Resi making a j..nah forget it...
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#100
I like Shawn lane's stuff but I prefer other people, I certainly don't look to him as an angel of technique but I would be inclined to agree he has better technique than most.

imo Gilbert and Friedman > world
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#101
Quote by Prophet of Page
Ok let me ask a question. If Shawn Lane does something, does it mean its rightYou guys look up to him as though he's the angel of technique or something, when I think his picking sounds mushy and undefined, and that his whammy use is for want of a better term, ****ing crap. God knows I'd prefer picking like Gilbert's or Di Meola's, even if it is slower.


I prefer Gilberts picking too, pretty much for the much more varied dynamics and chunkier attack.

Otoh, i must -

A) disagree with the whammy remark, i love his whammy use. Why'd ya think its ****?
B) there are plenty of examples around of him doing really hard, distinct picking - he just didnt most of the time. The paris DVD, some closeups from the instructionals...its mostly his really saturated, floaty tone.

Shawn, imo, is a brilliant example of loose, effective technique. It's some of the best i've seen, and i take from it what i can. His physicality in playing brings out some brilliant ideas regarding technique. He's not flawless, but he's brilliant.

This is some great paul stuff to show that his chops havent gone and that theres not much competition between him and lane...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3011321663930966226&q=scarified&pl=true - the intro mini-solo to this is just brilliant.
#102
I think my dynamics are decent enough so for me right now it's a higher priority to learn how to pick fast...
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#103
^^ I love that video, and I agree with you I just can't write answers as well put as that.

I actually try to base alot of my picking on Gilbert's, he said in something I read that picking and legatoo should be looked at like vowels and consanants, which i think is totally right.

Granted the only Gilbert I've actually learnt is the main riff for Scarified and bits of Street Lethal
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#104
^ that is simply put, the best way i've ever heard it described. I hate when you hear about "Picking licks" and "legato licks"... its like a guitar player going "oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" or rolling their tongue...not that thats ALWAYS inappropriate, god forbid!
#105
Quote by Prophet of Page
Ok let me ask a question. If Shawn Lane does something, does it mean its right? You guys look up to him as though he's the angel of technique or something, when I think his picking sounds mushy and undefined, and that his whammy use is for want of a better term, ****ing crap. God knows I'd prefer picking like Gilbert's or Di Meola's, even if it is slower.


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#106
Well from what I've seen of lane, and of gibert, Lane does some stuff that puts the most techincal stuff ive seen of gilbert's to shame. But then I again I havent seen all that much of gilbert.
#107
Meh, I still love Lane.
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#108
Quote by gtgram14
Well from what I've seen of lane, and of gibert, Lane does some stuff that puts the most techincal stuff ive seen of gilbert's to shame. But then I again I havent seen all that much of gilbert.


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#109
Is it a problem if the side of my hand brushes lightly against the bridge when I play the high e string?
#110
I personally think Gilbert has a better technique than Lane...i know some of you will say that technique is not a matter of opinion etc, but i honestly prefers Gilbert's style---its easy to forget, because of his more recent, pop-influenced work just how good Paul really is and id take his picking over Lane's anyday of the week...Thats not to say i dont like Lane, but i agree with other people who say his attack and his tone arent really their cup of tea.

I downloaded a Zakk Wylde instructional the other day and its terrible--hes a lot younger in it, but he uses the wah ALL THE WAY through and his techique is sloppy as hell...

On a brighter note, i also got the Ibanez 90th Anniversary video--Andy Timmons... --the ****ty uni network wont let me upload it as its too big, but if i can...ahem...get on another---unsecured---wireless network at home i'll try and upload it for everyone.
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#111
ever noticed the right hand of MAB and Holdsworth
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#112
Quote by wil

On a brighter note, i also got the Ibanez 90th Anniversary video--Andy Timmons... --the ****ty uni network wont let me upload it as its too big, but if i can...ahem...get on another---unsecured---wireless network at home i'll try and upload it for everyone.


I have it on my computer. Andy is awesome.
#113
ive noticed that Vai and Gilbert seem a little subdued, and they dont really look like theyre enjoying themselves at all--
did you know Andy says he doesnt know how to sweep pick? Considering as i suck at sweeping also, this was a great comfort to me.
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#114
Quote by wil
On a brighter note, i also got the Ibanez 90th Anniversary video--Andy Timmons... --the ****ty uni network wont let me upload it as its too big, but if i can...ahem...get on another---unsecured---wireless network at home i'll try and upload it for everyone.


I think you can find it (or at least parts of it) if you search for him on YouTube
#115
its cool, i have the whole thing on my computer.
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#116
Quote by Freepower
I prefer Gilberts picking too, pretty much for the much more varied dynamics and chunkier attack.

Otoh, i must -

A) disagree with the whammy remark, i love his whammy use. Why'd ya think its ****?
B) there are plenty of examples around of him doing really hard, distinct picking - he just didnt most of the time. The paris DVD, some closeups from the instructionals...its mostly his really saturated, floaty tone.



A. Shawn's bar use sounds like mwopmwopmwooopmewpmwop. Bar use that I like sounds like wahwoohwaaaahwooah! Only way I can put it really.
B. And Gilbert is still better at it.
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#117
I think Andy's a bit of an egomaniac on the Ibanez video... If you know what I mean.

Still great though, just what I think.
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#118
yeah, i did get that feeling too, but then i think his chops kinda make up for it. Didnt see the whole thing---im doing an essay as we speak-worst question ever!---so i'l watch the rest later and see what i think.
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#119
Quote by wil
ive noticed that Vai and Gilbert seem a little subdued, and they dont really look like theyre enjoying themselves at all--


True. Vai had a terrible tone, and he had to switch the guitar in some point. Besides, Andy got to do solos in every song!
#120
Quote by Stratwizard
True. Vai had a terrible tone, and he had to switch the guitar in some point. Besides, Andy got to do solos in every song!


He did the solo with a snapped guitar string (with a floating bridge!), did a pretty good job regarding that problem