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Hey, I was wondering if the Fender tube amps (hot rod,etc.) get a good metal distortion. If not , would a tubescreamer help it out any? I dont know much about fender amps from expierience, only from reviews. If that combonation wouldn't work, whats a good combo amp for $800 or less.

Thanks
#3
Peavy valve king.
B52 AT-100 is my favorite tube amp overall.
You could probobaly get a marshall combo for around that too.
Heavy metal distortion usually comes from solid state amps though.
You can get a really nice non tube amp for 800 bucks too. Possibly even a half stack.
The B52 has a solid state rectifier switch though. Making it the best. Its 600 for the head. You can negotiate on that at guitar center too, depending on where you live.
I got my b52 combo a while ago for about 800 + tax, and it was 1000 on the price tag.
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#4
I've looked at the B-52s as well, but wouldnt they be crazy loud to get the best tone(keep in mind that im in a low-volume situation)? I really like the peavey XXX but i thought they are discontinued
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Heavy metal distortion usually comes from solid state amps though.


This guy has no fucking idea what he's talking about.

Have you ever heard of Marshall, Peavey, ENGL, Mesa, Diezel or Bogner?

How do you think they get their customers, by offering crappy solid-state amps (we all know the MG sucks but it's technically not an amp, just a box with bees inside)?

I've tried a Fender Hot Rod Deville through a Tubescreamer and I liked the results. I'm not exactly sure if the distortion would be enough for you, but it was enough for me (I didn't play anything heavier than Master of Puppets, though).

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You can get a really nice non tube amp for 800 bucks too. Possibly even a half stack.


Gee, because when you have a half stack, it instantly makes everything better.

I'm not a big expert on amps, although as someone else pointed out, the Peavey XXX 40 watt combo is great and it's about $600 or $700, if I remember correctly.
#7
well the half stack option is out the question but a 2X12 combo is ok with me
and while on the solid state subject , has anyone used the new Randall G3 series? they're on my list also.
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^not a big fan. Basically hybrids....
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#9
If you want to save a little cash, the Randall RG50TC is only $570 for 50 all tube watts of high gain ampage.
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While the Fender/Tubescreamer combo is great for blues and classic rock it isn't enough for metal. You could try different pedals, perhaps Jeckyl/Hyde or Weapon. I mention it because if you already have the amp pedals are cheaper to experiment with.

If you're buying amp and pedals then get something that will do what you want to start with.
B-52 ST-6012 is a 60w 2-12 combo that runs around $800 or so that would do what you need.
Engl screamer is more money ($1200 or so),
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Peavey xxx/JSX/5150/6505,
Marshall JCM2000

all would fit the bill for various dollars.
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well the half stack option is out the question but a 2X12 combo is ok with me
and while on the solid state subject , has anyone used the new Randall G3 series? they're on my list also.


I just bought the Randall RG100 G3 series last week. I haven't played with it enough yet (why is it when you buy a new amp, your bandmates disappear ) but I'm liking it so far. It's really bassy. It's on volume 1 and the room shakes. I think it's got a great tone but like I say, I havent' played around with it as much as I'd like yet.
#12
Well hey get back to me when you play on it a little more because im seriously considering it.(Randall G3)

Is the Digitech Metal Master any good , and does it have a built in noise gate? I may get the fender amp for cleans and that pedal for the heavy distortion.
#13
fender isnt going to get u there.

u want to try peavey, traynor blue 50, and randall. all in ur price range.
stick to tubes.
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#14
^^With a floor processor u can get a very heavy sound with a fender amp, but that may not be what he is going for...

To skip a step and save money though, I would look into peaves or randalls, some marshalls do the trick - I got my JCM 2000 for 800$
#15
hmmm, randall is a good metal distortion company, marshall solid state amps like the avt have great metal tones just way way way too overpriced for what you get, honestly i can say i got some good tones out of the amp while i owned one it was worse than setting up a mesa 3 days of utter hell trying to get a good clean and a clear distortion
#16
Well , i need a good distortion that I can good pinch harmonics with(Lamb of God, Trivium, Exodus) along with a good clean (SRV and other stuff) and my budget is about 800(preferably less). The only thing that scares me away from a tube amp is it being possibly too loud ( i play in my bedroom)
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I'm not exactly sure if the distortion would be enough for you, but it was enough for me (I didn't play anything heavier than Master of Puppets, though).

Why do people think heaviness is all about distortion? A truly heavy song will still sound heavy on a nylon string accoustic. When Black Sabbath play their first song live they play it slow as fuck and quietly (well, quiet for them) and without stupidly high gain but when you're there it's the heaviest thing possible.
#18
but many heavy songs wont sound heavy on a classic.
play lashed to the slavestick on it, it wont have nearly the same effect.
#19
Could we please stay on subject and help me find an amp instead of arguing about what people said?


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#21
To Answer The Thread Starters Question, A Fender Tube Amp and the Vintage Tube Screamer TS-9 or TS-808 would not create a good metal tone, it would make a good vintage classic sound. You would not want to spend the kind of money for this setup unless you are going for a classic rock, smooth lead tone, Also depending on what guitar you have,For the setup you are talking about the Fender Stratocaster would probably work best for a classic rock tone, but if it is a metal tone you want, I would suggest a marshall amp. and if you need a good heavy distortion pedal, or something along those lines, go for the MT-2. For a good metal tone, there are a plethera of guitars for that, you could go for a Gibson Les Paul, (If you are kinda going for Slash's sound) but if you want thrash metal or heavy metal, either something within the Ibanez RG series, or an ESP)
#22
Well, if you want clean for that "SRV stuff", Fender Twin Reverb is the way to go.

Has anyone suggested Carvin? You might want to look at some of their amps.
#23
I've think ive decided on the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with a Digitech Metal Master Distortion Pedal for the extra distortion. I hope to test it out before I acually buy though.
#24
A tube Fender IMHO is the best basic ampflication there is. You can start clean and add anything. My entire band uses Fender amps and we love em.

Save up and get a 65 Twin Reverb. You will never need another amp.
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#25
I own a '65 Fender Super Reverb and I have tried everything from Proco Rat 2 to DS1s. I would say your best bet is a MARSHALL JACKHAMMER. It does a very nice vintage rock and does some metal. I also use a Bad Monkey for my lighter tones (blues and classic rock). But im extremely happy with the marshall jackhammer. Its pretty versatile in my opinion. Not to mention you can snag one for about 40 bucks
#26
ive never seen a real metal band use fenders. maybe smokie and the joes at the local bar playing wonderful tonight covers but not a true metal act.
#27
I have a Fender 010-1202, I'd like to buy a Randall RG100, does these two gears match?
#29
You can get a metal tone from a Fender amp, but you'd have to add so many effects that you could just as well be using an amp.

Some of the higher end solid states can indeed do great work for metal, things like Randall's are pretty nifty.

If you're set on a Fender amp though you will surely get a great tone, just not sure if you can get to metal with it, well, particularly heavy metal.
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The only thing that scares me away from a tube amp is it being possibly too loud ( i play in my bedroom)

Tube/valve amps are scary loud, my 15w valve fender is too loud to get distorted in my bedroom, and needs an OD pedal at small gigs. But, saying that, the tone of a valve amp is just too nice to play anything else anymore
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the mesas are good
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#32
I have a Boss Metal Zone distortion pedal, a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, and a Fender Stratocaster, and believe it or not, I can get some pretty good metal sounds out of it with a lot of tweeking.
#33
I use a Metal Muff with my Blues Junior and I can get almost any metal tone I need.
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I have a Fender 010-1202, I'd like to buy a Randall RG100, does these two gears match?



what type of music do u play?

and u mean a Fender deluxe players strat and a randall amp right?
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#35
Haha no, maybe if you try 3 or 4 tubescreamers.
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#36
What about the Fender supersonic; haven't heard much about it aside from it's got a lot more gain than your typical Fender but can still go clean.
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#38
This is a pretty old thread...what did the threadstarter get in the end anyway?

Edit: after a quick search I found he got a Peavey XXX.
#39
i use a tubescreamer infront of a peavey classic 50 and sometimes my smaller Fender Deluxe Reissue....now it wont go HEAVEY metal, but i can get a borderlined hardrock/metal tone with it...of course BORDERLINED... but honestly it sounds great though IMO, TS808 that is.
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#40
He doesn't need a tube amp. If I would have had my 6505 tube amp in my bedroom practicing at 2 o clock in the morning someone would be pissed. I agree with tube amps are the best but in a way not the best for everything. I think tube amps are made for people who can play it very loud (because tube amps sound best loud) and for people gigging such as myself. If I wasn't in a band that plays shows I wouldn't need my 6505. For practicing songs and writing songs I use a guitarport interface on the computer and play through some pretty nice speakers. Thats the best for me. Before that I had a Marshall combo amp that I would write through. I just don't think this guy is ready for a tube amp I don't think its what he needs. 800 you can get some damn good (non tube) stuff.
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