#1
Sorry, i know all amp Q's should be in the sticky, but i posted this 3-4 days ago and i have only had one reply.


Ok ive been playing for abit over a year now, and id like to upgrade my amp, i was sucked in, not knowing what i was doing in my niave days of thinking well known names meant quality and brought a marshall mg 30dfx, i thought it sounded good, until i heard some real amps .

I dont have any idea really on what to look for, ive heard alot about tube amps recently. The amp will only be for at home practice, and some small sessions with a few friends. so i think ill need 50 watts max.

I almost entirely play metal and all the subcatergories under it, and have an ibanez 350ex, with emg 81/85s installed, with this is mind, my budget wont be massive, id say around $500-700Aus.

Any suggestions thanks.
#2
*dances around* Vox!! AD30VT. Even the AD50VT. 11 amp models, which are hugely efficient, and a load of built-in effects, which serve the purpose.

I get a pretty decent Metallica tone out of it. The EMG's will make it sound even better - I'm saving up for those.

A lot of people also go for the Roland Cube amp's. *shrugs* I've never heard them, but they got to be good to beat the Vox.

(The Vox is a hybrid amp or similar. It's silly, people keep saying different things. I don't care. It's like a tube.)
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#3
Also this is going to sounds really stupid, but i am new . A half stack is when the amp and control panel (knobs) are separate yes?
#5
The amp itself (the "head" in a stack) contains all the electronics and controls. The cab is simply speakers, wires and the physical enclosure. A head without a cab will get no sound.

If you heard tube amps and like that sound, you're going to find that most digital, solid state and hybrid amps just don't sound as good. Most hybrid amps have tube preamps, but solid state power amps, and tube power amps are what really get the "big" sound at higher volumes. A 50-watt tube power amp is loud enough for gigs and will sound good whether running a tube preamp through it or a simple distortion pedal.

On your budget, I'd suggest a Peavey Valve King or maybe a used Peavey Ultra or VTM if you can find one.
#6
Yeah, a half stack is when the amp, or cabinet, is seperate from the control panel, or head. And also, I have a vox and it is really good for metal.
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#7
had a look at some of those peavey's you mentioned on ebay, i couldnt find it, but i take it they are tube amps? and on a larger scale, how much better is the quality, vs the price when moving upto better tier models and brands ??
#8
hey mate. i have a roland cube 60, and i actually prefer the rectifier setting compared to my metal zone pedal which i only use for band prac now coz i dont have a foot switch. The cubes are great because they allow u to play anything, and the effects are mad as. They also are small and light but pack a punch, trust me : ) however it is true that valve state amps ( or tubes whichever u wanna call em ) do provide a better tone (metal) than the solid state amps (such as the cube) but if i were u, and i went and did this because i had the same dilema as you.

Get the cube mate. make sure its a the 60 so u can jam with drums nicely. you will have an easy to cart amp, which is loud and sounds good with lots of built in effects. Save up for a big stack later mate, coz thats what im doin. Car payments first tho. :p

oh btw i got mine for $595 brand new so shop round.
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#9
Peavey Valveking. Normally I would say Laney, but it's not hugh gain amp. If you want the classic metal tone I'd go for something like Marshall, but if you want your own style and your own sound go for a mid gain amp (Laney or Vox, two completly different amås, but both really good) and a high gain pedal. That can make wonders in metal and hard rock.
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#11
Well the Peavey Valveking is an All Tube Amp and the Roland Cube is a combo amp. I'd say Roland Cube 30/60 if you want a good metal amp right now. The Valveking needs to be cranked to get the tubes saturated and if your mainly doing home practie/jamming with friends it may be too loud for you to hear it's full potential. Also, the valveking dispite it's rep, actually has low-gain. You'd probably need an OD pedal to get a high-gain sound out of it. If you decide on going with the peavey or if you want more details on it just PM me.
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#12
I say a Peavey Classic 30-50 with a good solid distortion pedal
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#13
I don't know the exchange rate but, maybe a peavey xxx combo

and a valveking is not for metal..
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#14
nah mate the cubes r combos, so u get everything in a nice little box, they're great
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#15
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Yeah, a half stack is when the amp, or cabinet, is seperate from the control panel, or head. And also, I have a vox and it is really good for metal.





ok. um a cab is a cab not an amp.

the head is the amp.
#16
^ah. lets hope he notices.
the roland cube is a nice amp. get a roland cube 60. i have 1. it rawks.
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^ah. lets hope he notices.
the roland cube is a nice amp. get a roland cube 60. i have 1. it rawks.


Yeah I just ordered a bunch of the Roland Cubes at work today. (two 60's, a few of the 30's and 15's and like six micro-cubes) I cant wait to get them in. Im going to buy the 15 or 30 for myself for practicing in the house. Theyre a fun as hell amp to use.
#18
ah u guys, so many choices, now after looking around the net all day looking for a valve king i here they arent good for metal

Ill have another look at the cubes now, but i had my heart set on a full tube amp, as ive heard that the majority kick the crap out of solid states.

EDIT: ah now i see with the cubes, the control are up top sort of hidden, thats why i thought they were just cabs.
#19
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hey mate. i have a roland cube 60, and i actually prefer the rectifier setting compared to my metal zone pedal which i only use for band prac now coz i dont have a foot switch. The cubes are great because they allow u to play anything, and the effects are mad as. They also are small and light but pack a punch, trust me : ) however it is true that valve state amps ( or tubes whichever u wanna call em ) do provide a better tone (metal) than the solid state amps (such as the cube) but if i were u, and i went and did this because i had the same dilema as you.

Get the cube mate. make sure its a the 60 so u can jam with drums nicely. you will have an easy to cart amp, which is loud and sounds good with lots of built in effects. Save up for a big stack later mate, coz thats what im doin. Car payments first tho. :p

oh btw i got mine for $595 brand new so shop round.


Possibly the best advice right now...

If you get the cube, that leaves a lot of money left over right?
So that means you can put the money to a nice stack.

If you decide to get a valve king, after a while you'll want a better tone, i can nearly guarantee it, so save up, get the cube and then get your better than Valve king stack.
#21
Quote by bigtimmy
hey mate. i have a roland cube 60, and i actually prefer the rectifier setting compared to my metal zone pedal which i only use for band prac now coz i dont have a foot switch. The cubes are great because they allow u to play anything, and the effects are mad as. They also are small and light but pack a punch, trust me : ) however it is true that valve state amps ( or tubes whichever u wanna call em ) do provide a better tone (metal) than the solid state amps (such as the cube) but if i were u, and i went and did this because i had the same dilema as you.

Get the cube mate. make sure its a the 60 so u can jam with drums nicely. you will have an easy to cart amp, which is loud and sounds good with lots of built in effects. Save up for a big stack later mate, coz thats what im doin. Car payments first tho. :p

oh btw i got mine for $595 brand new so shop round.


hehe i have a Roland cube 30 whish i got the 60 now but hey wot u gunna do. and yes the Rectifier (R-fier) is totally AWSOME for metal!!! im so glad i chose the cube! (thanks to the guys on UG ) but you cab buy the roland 60 in the UK for around £180, which is soooo cheap for a 60 watt amp. get the cube or the vox my freind and save for a stack!!
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#22
just get the freakin xxx deal on MF if it's still there

mine came today it and pwns
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#24
thanks guys, im the pround new owner of a rowland cube 30, came with a boss foot switch too, for around $260us
picking up tommorow
#25
Right on for the Cube club!! . it pwns. im gunna buy a footswitch soon, or i might get two, one for effects and the other for the channel switching.
and to \m/metallica\m/ yes you can attatch a cab to a cube 60 but i very dought you would need it. the 60 is big enough for gigs.
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#26
^yeah the 60 is alot louder than people think. i rarely turn it past about 9 o'clock. i cranked it once just to drown out a drummer. it was fun.
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#28
The guy on the first page, you got your cube for 585 bucks new?!?! US Money? You got ripped holy ****, those go for 345 new here I believe.

I Might get flamed for this but Try out a Crate GLX65, great for metallica, Pantera, all those metal bands, but try it out with the roland to see which you like better, for me I liked the Crate, much better cleans while having just as good metal capabilities, but its all preference!
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#29
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ah u guys, so many choices, now after looking around the net all day looking for a valve king i here they arent good for metal

Ill have another look at the cubes now, but i had my heart set on a full tube amp, as ive heard that the majority kick the crap out of solid states.

EDIT: ah now i see with the cubes, the control are up top sort of hidden, thats why i thought they were just cabs.


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#30
well i got my roland cube 30 today, ive been playing around with it a bit, first of it kicks the **** through my marshall dfx30....im still playing with all the knobs, especially this lead knob with all the different amps.

Im having a hard time telling a difference between some of the lead selections, but i definelty like the acoustic simulator one, sounds very nice.....for u other guys with the same amp, when u play metal and simiair styles, do u think that the R-fier stack (supposedly based around the mesa/boogie rectifier in the manuel it says) sounds better then the actual metal stack?
#31
Quote by NemesisX
*dances around* Vox!! AD30VT. Even the AD50VT. 11 amp models, which are hugely efficient, and a load of built-in effects, which serve the purpose.

I get a pretty decent Metallica tone out of it. The EMG's will make it sound even better - I'm saving up for those.

A lot of people also go for the Roland Cube amp's. *shrugs* I've never heard them, but they got to be good to beat the Vox.

(The Vox is a hybrid amp or similar. It's silly, people keep saying different things. I don't care. It's like a tube.)

agreed.

also, Vox > Roland
#32
Quote by behemoth111
well i got my roland cube 30 today, ive been playing around with it a bit, first of it kicks the **** through my marshall dfx30....im still playing with all the knobs, especially this lead knob with all the different amps.

Im having a hard time telling a difference between some of the lead selections, but i definelty like the acoustic simulator one, sounds very nice.....for u other guys with the same amp, when u play metal and simiair styles, do u think that the R-fier stack (supposedly based around the mesa/boogie rectifier in the manuel it says) sounds better then the actual metal stack?
I hardly ever play metal, but when I want a thick, high gain sound for leads I much prefer the metal settings, over the R-Fier. I am biased as I don't play metal, but just comparing the two, I prefer the sound of the Metal setting - it just sounds thicker.
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#33
The guy on the first page, you got your cube for 585 bucks new?!?! US Money? You got ripped holy ****, those go for 345 new here I believe.


nah mate! 595 aussie dollars!
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#34
^ That's still quite alot. I did a currency conversion and that's £243 english pounds. In England we can get it for £170, you must get ripped off over there.
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#35
Yes, everthing is very expensive here in aus, to buy an emg 81 and 85 here they are $240each, thats around 350-400us
#36
^ nah emg's arnt that much, but dont quote me on that coz im not positive. i think it may be just some things, also the fact that cubes r popular so they jacked up the price
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#38
you can get emgs for like 170 each of ebay and about 200 at the right stores.
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