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#1
I'm looking for a new but decent cheap guitar to use and abuse. I don't want to spend much money... maybe around $200 US.

I see Jay Turser are cheap and those fake Gibsons and epis are cheap. But I'm skeptical.

This will be a guitar for me to upgrade and tinker with and abuse on stage. Any suggestions?


I have nice guitars, now I want one that is cheap. best bang for the buck.
#3
Mexi Strat (although that's around $350)

Low end Washburns (WI14 is good and around $200)

Pretty much any Agile.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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#6
^No advertising. They go by word of mouth. They also are only sold through Rondo Music.

From what I've heard of the Agiles, they're better than Epiphones and the high end ones are nearly as good as Gibson LP Studios.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

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^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#9
And low end ESPs are made of **** wood.

No matter what, get a decent guitar made of good wood. You can change all the other stuff, but you're stuck with the wood.

Agiles are made of mahogany, Washburns are made of basswood on the WI14 and all the others are mahogany (in the idol series), and a Mexican strat is made of alder I believe.

All of those are better than the agathis that low end ESPs are made of.


Edit: I personally like the look of the valkyrie. Probably sounds great too.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

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^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#10
epiphones suck to begin with... so to get a knock off epiphone would be even worse.

With your $200 price range it may be difficult to find you a decent guitar that sounds good but is cheap... my advice is to look at used guitars, because it would be better to abuse a used guitar than a brand new one... plus if the guitars in good condition you get decent quality for the less money.
Later in the evenin, as you lie awake in bed, hear the echoes of the amplifiers ringin' in your head, smoke the days last cigarette rememberin' what she said...
#11
No matter what you do, no matter what the price is...

Don't buy it until you play it!

This is a hundred times more important in the cheaper market segment.


And that's why I oppose Agile.
#12
This model is amazing. Agile AD-3000 Prestige. I don't think $2000 big name guitars could compete with the quality. (according to the details)



Solid mahogany (not a multi-ply!) arch top body
High quality 3/4" Book-Matched Flame Canadian Maple Top (100% real wood top-not a photo top!)
Natural wood body binding; Bound neck and headstock
Improved Nickel plated hardware, including Nickel die-cast Grover tuners with 18-1 turning ratio for ultra fine tuning (Model 102-18N)
Matching flame top headstock
Two Type V Alnico humbucker pickups for warm, tradional sound
Single conductor braided 18 gauge American wire for pickups, high voltage pots with brass shafts for reduced noise and an improved pickup selector switch
Two volume and two tone controls, plus a three way pickup selector switch
One piece Mahogany set neck with 13.7" (350mm) radius neck for fast play and adjustable truss rod
Ebony fretboard with 22 Jumbo frets and real Abalone Trapezodial inlays
GHS strings installed at the factory and a professionally cut bone nut
A pre-cut graphite nut is also included in the bag with the trus rod adjuster for those who prefer graphite
Individually hand filed frets for professional feel and playability
Width of the neck at the nut: 1 5/8"; at the 21st fret: 2 3/16"
Neck taper/thickness at the 1st fret: 21.5 mm; at the 12th fret: 23.5mm
Overall length: 40"; Scale length: 24.7"
Body thickness: 2" at edge; Width at the widest point: 13"
Bridge pole spacing is 3", and the Tail piece pole spacing is 3 1/4"
Actual Weight is only 10 lbs
#13
^A high end guitar will still beat an Agile because it will use higher quality materials. The Agiles are extremely good for the price though. I've really only heard a few negative comments on them.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

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^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#15
Quote by MCRrocks
LAWL@this rip-off of an sg: http://www.rondomusic.net/valkyriehc.html


Thanks for turning me on to this site... I am buy these two. I'll get these two guitars for less than $300 US.

SX GG2 Set Neck (neck thru) solid Mahogany


&

SX GG4 STD Set Neck (neck thru) solid Mahogany
#16
Eh...I haven't heard much about the SX guitars. Agiles, on the other hand, have good reviews and I haven't heard a whole lot of bad comments about them. I'm personally thinking about getting an Agile AL-3000...
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

Quote by jj1565
^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#19
^ same thing, right?

I figure they'll be on my door step for about $325 shipped. I just emailed him.

I'll give a full review.

Also thinking about buying the (China) Gibson Les Paul just to review it. I can afford $300 just to ease my mind on the wtf??
#21
Quote by Danno13
^Not same thing, and you can't make *OFFICIAL* threads.


Sorry to offend you on the *OFFICIAL* thing... should I reword it?
#22
China Gibson Les Paul? Gibson guitars are made in the USA...

If you mean one of the Agile Les Pauls, go for it.

Also, the explorer shaped one is alder, not mahogany. Both guitars should make great modding projects.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

Quote by Danno13
^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

Quote by jj1565
^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#23
Quote by Chazzy29
^ same thing, right?

I figure they'll be on my door step for about $325 shipped. I just emailed him.

I'll give a full review.

Also thinking about buying the (China) Gibson Les Paul just to review it. I can afford $300 just to ease my mind on the wtf??



No, neckthru is like on my 1500$ Brian Moore, the neck is a peice of the body.

Set-neck, is where it is a seperate peice but set and glued in.
#24
ar'nt sx made by jim deacon?

they're alright guitars, cheap but they're not as good as they look, trust me, i hav a jim deacon bass and played a prs se SX copy, they have there issues!
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#25
Says solid Mahogany (are you mistaken for the cheaper GG2 bolt on?)

This guitar features a radical modern body made from solid Mahogany
The maple set neck features an adjustable truss rod
Rosewood fretboard with 22 jumbo (2.7mm) frets and split inlays
The set neck helps transfer string vibration to the body
High quality humbucker pickups help reduce hum and noise and offer superior performance by giving a thicker fuller sound than single coils
Humbuckers also create a much larger magnetic field, which helps eliminate dead spots and increases overall power of the pickup
Two volume and one tone controls tailor your sound
Along with the set neck the angled headstock and Stop Bar Tailpiece help transfer string vibration to the body for great sound and sustain
All chrome hardware (including diecast sealed tuners), and pick guard compliments the guitar's beautiful vintage appearance
Actual Weight is only 9 lbs.
Scale Length: 24 3/4"
Bridge studs are 3" apart
Length of the body (tip to tip) is 28"
Width is 18"
#26
Ah. I was looking at the one with a set neck...
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

Quote by Danno13
^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

Quote by jj1565
^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#27
Quote by Johnnyboy66
No, neckthru is like on my 1500$ Brian Moore, the neck is a peice of the body.

Set-neck, is where it is a seperate peice but set and glued in.


Thanks for the clarification.

There is a (china) Gibson Les Paul on eBay for 154.99 plus $280 for shipping. I emailed the chinese guy who sales them and told him that I work for a guitar review company and would like to review his (china) Gibsons to possibly enhance his sales (If they are quality) he stated they are quality and he'd send me a "sample" for $290 USD shipped.
#29
Quote by Schecter-06
lol you know hwut would be funny, if you didnt work for a review site, or mayeb you dont.....hmmm,


HaHa! clever, that would be funny.. why didn't I think of that?
#30
Quote by Chazzy29
Thanks for the clarification.

There is a (china) Gibson Les Paul on eBay for 154.99 plus $280 for shipping. I emailed the chinese guy who sales them and told him that I work for a guitar review company and would like to review his (china) Gibsons to possibly enhance his sales (If they are quality) he stated they are quality and he'd send me a "sample" for $290 USD shipped.


XD

My guess is that it's one of those cheap-ass illegal chinese copies. Looks pretty in pictures, but is only suitable for firewood. Avoid it.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

Quote by Danno13
^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

Quote by jj1565
^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#32
^Um...why is it "all wrong"? If they made it identicle to the Gibson SG, they'd get sued.

Then they wouldn't be able to sell cheap guitars anymore.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

Quote by Danno13
^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

Quote by jj1565
^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#34
^XD

It's not even that different from a regular SG.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

Quote by Danno13
^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

Quote by jj1565
^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#35
You can't be serious. It's an almost exact rip off of the ESP Vipers with more rounded horns. And you can't possibly say that the Viper looks butt-ugly?
#36
Quote by Xenn99
^Um...why is it "all wrong"? If they made it identicle to the Gibson SG, they'd get sued.

Then they wouldn't be able to sell cheap guitars anymore.

1. the body shape is ALL wrong...
2. the input is wrong...
3. the neck is slant and bent...

SO there that is your explanation of why it is all wrong
#37
^Yes, but all wrong from what? The Gibson SG shape? It's not a Gibson SG, so that doesn't matter.
My Gear:

Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

Quote by Danno13
^Xenn is my favorite MG owner EVAR.

Quote by jj1565
^ Xenn fav MG user evar
#38
It's not a direct copy because they don't want it to be. The lower body extension has been said to stop the neck dive by adding weight under the strap button. Makes it more reliable and easier to play standing up.
#39
Quote by Xenn99
^Um...why is it "all wrong"? If they made it identicle to the Gibson SG, they'd get sued.

Then they wouldn't be able to sell cheap guitars anymore.

In the attempt to copy but look slightly different, it came out goofy-looking? Bottom line, at that price, who cares. They'll never be investment grade and nobody will be thrilled to discover one of those in the attic in 50 years, but for the price, it's a good 1st step.
#40
Quote by Ippon
They'll never be investment grade and nobody will be thrilled to discover one of those in the attic in 50 years, but for the price, it's a good 1st step.


That's probably exactly what they said on an internet message forum 50yrs ago about Gibson.
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