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Right, I play bass, I play metal, bassy as arse metal. I take solos, go through a few pedals, etc. And I'm very conscious of looks, so I won't be getting a P-Bass/Les Paul shaped Bass or owt like that.

I've thought about getting the new Dime Razorback bass and sticking some EMG humbuckers on it, or similar to a B.C Rich Beast, either way, I'm unsure and need some advice from you, the experts in the field.

- Cheers!!!
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#3
Ibanez's have a pretty heavy feel to them, at least the ones i've played, like the Ergodyne is an amazing bass, and it can take a beating for all the crazy movin around and junk.

If your gonna go with a B.C. Rich, go with the Platinum, because the bronze just isnt worth the money.

Whats ur price range?
#4
Price range.... I'd say no more than £800.
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#5
How about this one, looks quite metal to me.
Too bad it;s a bit over your price range (it's about ?3.500,-)
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#8
I heard that all of Burns' were handmade....

As good as Warwicks are, they all look the same. BORING! The B.C Rich Platinum with added EMG's is in the lead methinks right now.... Any other suggestions are more than welcome, encouraged in fact!
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#9
Quote by Jimothy
I heard that all of Burns' were handmade....

By Chinese children I think... You probably assume from the Burns London nameplate on them that they get to see London along the line too - it's all lies. Plus they have weak and muddy pickups (because they use thicker wire than other brands so have less turns on the coils)
#10
Quote by smb
By Chinese children I think... You probably assume from the Burns London nameplate on them that they get to see London along the line too - it's all lies. Plus they have weak and muddy pickups (because they use thicker wire than other brands so have less turns on the coils)


really? having a thinner longer conduit wire is better for pups? thats kindof against the laws of physics. sensibly, a thicker shorter wire allows for a faster electrical flow, so how does it work oppositely? im not being an ass, i really am curious.
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#11
I haven't seen the Dime Razorback bass but something tells me that a P bass looks better than that.
#12
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really? having a thinner longer conduit wire is better for pups? thats kindof against the laws of physics. sensibly, a thicker shorter wire allows for a faster electrical flow, so how does it work oppositely? im not being an ass, i really am curious.



because the more winds you put it in, the stronger your pickups are. You can put more winds in easier with a thinner wire.
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#13
Contrary to what a lot people are saying here, I would not get active pickups, unless you have a switch for active on/off, because with my expirience with active pickups with distortion, they don't blend too well.
#14
ESP!!!
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#15
i'd go with an esp, MM stingray, or pbass if i was to play in a metal band.

stingray's a bit over ur price range tho.

but honestly, the pbass is what i'd use.
#16
Don't get a BC Rich. IMO, they're only metal in looks. And by metal I mean ridiculously jagged body designs which have zero amount of comfort or playability.

I'd go w/ an Ibanez Soundgear, Schecter Stilletto, or Fender Pbass for an entry level instrument for metal type music. Seriously the Pbass can work pretty damn well with metal as well as many other genres. There's a reason why its one of the most popular bass guitars out there (probably rivaled only by its cousin the Jazz in popularity).
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Quote by Jimothy
I heard that all of Burns' were handmade....

As good as Warwicks are, they all look the same. BORING! The B.C Rich Platinum with added EMG's is in the lead methinks right now.... Any other suggestions are more than welcome, encouraged in fact!


No seriously, B.C. Rich's are teh gayest, seriously, no one (even metal fans) will think its cool. The guy from Hate Eternal uses a Warwick thumb, and they're probably heavier than anything you listen to. Just a bit of helpful advice.

p.s. Steve Harris from Iron Maiden is a metal god, and look at the basses he uses.
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#18
What metal tone are you looking for?

maiden type: go for a p-bass. its a must for that harris sound imo.

nu metal type: its less about the bass more about the amp, just get something of good quality

prog: Ibanez basses i think are the best here

anything inbetween: warwick should cover.

(yes nu metal isnt metal, but seeing your ignorant views on how your purchase is based largely on looks, i dont take it your a smart person... stupider people tend to listen to worse metal )

BC rich is a no no, shoddy quality, even if you go for the high end ones, and the body's are liked only by Slipknot fans. Seriously tho, i know like 4 people who like the designs of them, and they all have slipknot posters on their wall and cd's.

I have to admit i like the dime razorback body shape. dunno if the bass is any good tho. tho if its about looks, dont get it if you dont look very kvlt, becuz if your a lanky short haired kid walking around with that bitch, you'd look pretty pathetic holding it. you need to be a ****ign viking with it. thats why Dimebag fit it.


Though with all this said: spend more on your amp/rig than on your bass. it's gonna have a lot more to do with your sound than you're bass. with the exception of the p-bass. if you want a maiden sound, few amps are gonna get you that sound without atleast an active EQ bass, but better if you use a p.

tho if you're really bent on a diff body shape/style, go with like a Fender Aerodyne. dosnt look as "p-bassy". it SHOULD still give you the p-bass tone tho.


Good Luck.
#19
As Manga said don't go with a BC Rich. I don't know if you'll like it but Fender has the Big Block P-Bass now which is a black P-Bass with a humbucker. I don't know how you feel about Schecters but the CV-4 is excellent. It has both Duncan Designed MM-101 humbucker and a JB-101 jazz pickup with a switch and an active 3 band EQ


http://schecterguitars.com/spec.asp?id=153
#20
Quote by crazypeanutman
really? having a thinner longer conduit wire is better for pups? thats kindof against the laws of physics. sensibly, a thicker shorter wire allows for a faster electrical flow, so how does it work oppositely? im not being an ass, i really am curious.

Having a short, thick wire is for having the potential at each end pretty much the same. With a pickup you want the biggest difference in potential across the pickup you can because that makes them louder. If there is little difference between the earth wire and your signal then that's a quiet pickup.
#21
A reckon a good choice is a thunderbird type bass. Interesting styling, lovely grinding heavy tone. They're very neck heavy but im so used to it now a bass thats not neck heavy now feels awkward lol.

Also very versatile electronics for a passive bass.
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Quote by mangablade


(yes nu metal isnt metal, but seeing your ignorant views on how your purchase is based largely on looks, i dont take it your a smart person... stupider people tend to listen to worse metal )



Gr. If there was a middle finger post icon I'd use it, if it wasn't good, constructive advice. DEVILDRIVER AREN'T ****!!!! And I ain't a huge Slipknot fan.

It doesn't seem it, but I do care more about the sound, the thing is I believe I've got it handled by fitting EMG's and messing around with the fretboard action, etc. (correct me if I'm wrong) And hence, I want a good look to tighten the pack.

I currently play an ESP DF-404 and a Spector Performer, both use EMG's and are sexy t'max, but the DF-404 sounds like it's ****ting itself some of the time, especially when I use pedals.

The reason I want another bass with EMG's that looks good is so I have a variety of looks, and some I can detune for gigs n'stuff. And P-Bass shapes/colour schemes just really annoy me for some reason...

The tone I'm looking for is bassy as arse, no farting sounds though, that works well with an overdrive pedal and a wah pedal.
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Quote by Jimothy
Gr. If there was a middle finger post icon I'd use it, if it wasn't good, constructive advice. DEVILDRIVER AREN'T ****!!!! And I ain't a huge Slipknot fan.

It doesn't seem it, but I do care more about the sound


for the first part: i dont understand what thats supposed to mean whatsoever.

second part: you're right, it DIDNT seem like it, so if you're saying it would be normal to assume you liked looks more, thats exactly what i did.
#26
I've been playing Metal on my bass for about a year...
I have a $300 Ibanez soundgear and it's never steered me wrong before...I love the heavy sound and the manuverablity...of course being only 100 pounds I need that in my instrument...can't go swinging a 30 pound battle axe or anything...
But yea...moral of the story...try a few Ibanez out...they have a good sound and tend to be pretty comfortable when it comes to stage antics and general playing...
#28
Quote by Jimothy
I'm seriously considering the Dime Razorback but slap some EMG's in there....

http://www.deanguitars.com/dean_winter_06/dime_razorblack_nt.htm

Anyone wanna comment?


Yeah, I'd like to comment.

That's the ugliest bass on the planet and won't make you any more "metal" than you already aren't. You're picking a bass based entirley on looks alone instead of actually playing the bass first and seeing if it plays well or even has good tone. Why don't you try playing an ibanez soundgear(one of the mid-range ones), i guarantee it plays 10 times better than any crappy dean or b.c. rich, and they come in you're favorite color, black, so you won't be disappointed. I guess the REAL downside to it is that it doesn't have many sharp and pointy edges and it doesn't scream "I'm a huge wannabe!", but that's just one guys opinion.
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#29
tell me why you want the razorback? cause dime used it only as a guitar form? i dont understand you

and magna, i agree with you in ever aspect. not trying to be mean dude just saying why would you get the razorback, when theres tons of better basses that are even cheaper

everyone here pretty much is smart and says ibanez in which i agree!
#30
look into the spector legend. classy looking, and sounding bass.sounds great....i picked on up for around 450...looks mean. Dont try and stick out with something like a bc rich....you will look like an ass
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#31
try whatever bass feels best, it doesn't matter if it looks 'metal' enough. Case in point.

Opeth's bassist.



metal band, old jazz bass. See? you don't HAVE to have an omgevil looking bass, just one that sounds good.
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#32
I know what sound I'm looking for, hence the EMG's and posibly Marshall/Ashdown rig..... Plus the reason I want a bass that looks like 'wannabe metal' is because I'm a ****ing **** and I'm sick of P-bass shaped basses, they piss me off.... I've already said something like this.... READ OTHER POSTS BEFORE POSTING YOURSELF!!!! Cheers though.
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#33
Quote by Maxwell Bass
tell me why you want the razorback? cause dime used it only as a guitar form? i dont understand you

and magna, i agree with you in ever aspect. not trying to be mean dude just saying why would you get the razorback, when theres tons of better basses that are even cheaper

everyone here pretty much is smart and says ibanez in which i agree!



TS is one of those mallcore kids thats why he wants a pointy bass.
#34
I'm sure ESP would have something that would fulfill your needs.
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#35
lol when the bassist in my band sucked, he bought a "metal" bass tht looked "cool" nd it sucked, cost him loads of money, he doesnt even play it anymore. u jsut want attention, well if u wanted attention why play bass???
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Quote by Forcemaster
try whatever bass feels best, it doesn't matter if it looks 'metal' enough. Case in point.

Opeth's bassist.



metal band, old jazz bass. See? you don't HAVE to have an omgevil looking bass, just one that sounds good.


ya, opeth is deffinately up there in bad ass metal. i'd suggest a precision pickup for you though, as long as your not planning on slapping most of your metal lines.

also, thanks for everyone who explained why thinner wires are better. very onteresting, ill have to look into that further.
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#37
Plus, may I add, sound and looks aren't just the factors, not only that, sound varies from bass to bass, just sticking emg's into any bass is not they only thing that affects the sound (correct me if i'm wrong here, but I think that the wood in the body affects the tone more than pickups) and then there's argubly the most important part, playability, most 'metal' basses don't have that, as they have spikes seemingly deliberetly designed to puncture your lower intestine and/or spleen.
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Quote by Forcemaster
Plus, may I add, sound and looks aren't just the factors, not only that, sound varies from bass to bass, just sticking emg's into any bass is not they only thing that affects the sound (correct me if i'm wrong here, but I think that the wood in the body affects the tone more than pickups) and then there's argubly the most important part, playability, most 'metal' basses don't have that, as they have spikes seemingly deliberetly designed to puncture your lower intestine and/or spleen.


if you mean metal as in "wanna be metal tryin to be hardcore" bc rich style things, then sure playability is down the toilet.

but if you mean metal is in basses good for metal playing, dont factor out the Ibanez basses.

SR's are about as plain, simple, cool as a bass shape can be, has a nice dark finish if its a 500 series, and are the most comfortable basses ive played next to MAYBE a warwick corvette.

tho the corvette was really heavy, so i guess the playabiliity balances out.
#39
Yeah I was on about that, hence the quote marks
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#40
Right, everyone stop repeating yourselves, I DO CARE ABOUT THE ****ING SOUND!!!!! HENCE I KNOW WHAT PICKUPS I'M STICKING ON AND I'M SEARCHING FOR THE AMP TO COMPLIMENT THAT!!!!!!

The guy who said "you're just looking for attention", you hit the nail on the head there, I am. Bassists = underrated, some look like they have no clue what they're doing, and they're looked upon as failed guitarists. The reason I want a good looking bass is because I don't want to look like a tit playing "Sting Of The Bulblebee" on a bass with the shape that pisses me of, just doesn't feel right.

Start ranting about my 'narrow mindedness', but some good advice is going up here from sensible people.
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