#1
So the madness will stop.

Let's get this all straightened out.

Starting at square one:

Hardcore
Also known as hardcore punk. This genre was initially started in the 80's. It's a form of punk with a little bit more "oomph" to it. Some of it has heavier riffs and breakdowns, while some doesn't. The lyrics are usually very sincere and about things affecting the writer or things around the writer.
Some of the bands in this genre include: Black Flag, Verbal Abuse, FEAR, Dr. Know, Ill Repute, Black Market Baby, Stalag 13, Bad Brains, D.O.A., Circle Jerks, J.F.A.


Metalcore
This is hardcore music, with a very heavy metal influence. This music has more emphasis in the guitar writing and their's general screaming, breakdowns, and double bass drumming. Alot of bands in this genre are considered "generic", but it's just how the genre sounds. This is a very influential genre in today's music scene.
Some of the bands in this genre include: The Chariot, Killswitch Engage, Bury Your Dead, As I Lay Dying, Bleeding Through, Everytime I Die, and Poison the Well.

Tough Guy Hardcore
Hardcore with a dab of metal influence. More aggressive vocals and heavier sounding guitars than that of traditional hardcore. These bands have the same DIY ethics and ideas for songs as hardcore, but have a generally "heavier" feel to them. Bands in this genre tend to get confused with metalcore because of the "jun jun" guitar riffs, but the genres are seperated by the meanings of songs. Some of the bands in this genre include: Hatebreed, Agnostic Front, Madball, and Remembering Never.

Grindcore
Starting out as music with no defined structure, short blasts of music, and lots of time changes using standard instruments in the hardcore/metal genres. Vocals range from high shreiks to low growls and inverted guttural squeals. This type of music never followed any kind of verse/chorus pattern. Some subgenres of this type of music include tech metal; which is metal music with progressive/jazz as well as grindcore influences, and mathcore/spazzcore which is generally the same thing as techmetal with more randomly structured or complex. This subgenre also has a heavy free-jazz influence.
Some bands in this genre(s) include: The Dillinger Escape Plan, Botch, Between the Buried and Me, Napalm Death, Converge, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Daughters, The Sawtooth Grin, and Pig Destroyer.

Deathcore
This genre is fairly new. Basically, melodic death metal mixed with metalcore = deathcore. It's a bit of a silly title, but it's a pretty interesting genre. The bands have very crunchy breakdowns and pack alot of blast beats and grindy type parts in their songs. Some of the bands in this genre include: Job For A Cowboy, Through the Eyes of the Dead, Animosity, From A Second Story Window, Suicide Silence, and Beneath the Massacre.

Emo
Emo, also known as "emocore", is hardcore music with a more sensitive, emotional side to it. Some bands in the hardcore scene started writing about more personal issues, involving heartbreak and love and it spun off into it's own branch of music. These bands usually have a little lighter sound than most hardcore bands and, as noted before, write about things a little closer to heart. Alot of bands today get confused as emo bands, but they're normally just pop-punk or something of the like.
Some bands in this genre include: Rites of Spring, A Day In Black and White, Embrace, Moss Icon, and Sunny Day Real Estate.

Post-Hardcore
This genre is considered a fusion between hardcore and emo. This genre is heavily based on hardcore DIY ethics, with a bit more emo influenced melody and tempo. This music has more depth and texture than traditional hardcore. Some bands in this genre include: Fugazi, Saosin, Thrice, Alexisonfire and As Cities Burn.

Screamo
Screamo is often referred to as borderline grindcore. Complex rhythms and less traditional song structures. Given the name, the genre is loosely emo music with aggressive vocals. The guitars are usually melodic and harmonized. The songs are usually fast paced and have less generic sounding breakdowns, more of an introspect. This genre is fairly underground and the scene isn't very spread out. Bands in this genre tend to be a bit epic and have very notable perfomances.
Some of the bands in this genre include: Circle Takes The Square, Saetia, Angel Hair, Joshua Fit For Battle, City of Caterpillar, The Fall of Troy, and The Kodan Armada.

That's a wrap.

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SilentSpectacle's Write-Up:
Hardcore-Punk
This genre was initially started in the 80's. It's an evolved form of punk with a little bit attenton paid to hard-hitting vocals. Some of it has heavier riffs and breakdowns, while some doesn't. The lyrics are usually very sincere and about things affecting the writer or things around the writer.
Some of the bands in this genre include: Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Cro-Mag's and Jerry's Kids.


Metalcore
This is hardcore music, with a very heavy metal influence. This music has more emphasis in the guitar writing and their's general screaming, breakdowns, and double bass drumming. Alot of bands in this genre are considered influential in today's music scene.
Some of the bands in this genre include: Between the Buried and Me, Dead To Fall, As I Lay Dying, August Burns Red

Old-School Hardcore
Hardcore with a dab of attitude. More aggressive vocals and heavier sounding guitars than that of traditional hardcore. These bands have the same "in your face"-ness as hardcore, but have a generally simpler "get to the point" lyrical attitude to them. Some of the bands in this genre include: Hatebreed, Agnostic Front, Madball, and Remembering Never.

Grindcore
Music that is often confusing because of it's unique and odd structures, grindcore is some of the most brutal hardcore there is. The vocals range from the highest to the lowest of vocalists. Music is often set into short songs and very chaotic. Some bands of the this genre are: The Sawtooth Grin, See You Next Tuesday, Graf Orlock and Triumph of Gnomes

Deathcore
Melodic death metal mixed with metalcore = deathcore. The bands have very crunchy breakdowns and pack alot of blast beats and grindy type parts in their songs. Some of the bands in this genre include: Through the Eyes of the Dead, I Got Shot In The Face, Animosity, From A Second Story Window and Beneath the Massacre.

Post-Hardcore
This genre is considered a fusion of hardcore and indie influences This genre is much more down tempo, and features much more clean vocals than traditional hardcore.. Some bands in this genre include: At The Drive-In, Thrice, As Cities Burn

Screamo
Screamo is hardcore/metalcore music with lyrics leaning more towards "emo" than usual hardcore. Many obscure bands come from this genre due to it's wide range of acceptance into the genre, most music with screaming in it is first classified as "screamo".
Some bands are: Fear Before The March Of Flames, Thirty Years War, Nevea Tears and Chiodos

Mathcore
Mathcore is very complex hardcore, harshly influenced by jazz. It has many profound structure and time changes throughout songs. Most complex bands are mistakenly put into the Mathcore genre, BTBAM AND #12 ARE NOT MATHCORE.
Some bands are: The Dillinger Escape Plan, Orthrelm, Behold The Arctopus

My revised version:
1. I don't think emo is a subgenre of hardcore.
2. I don't agree with lots of your band selections.
3. I don't agree on some of your subgenres altogether.
That's a wrap.
Last edited by xAestheticx at Jun 1, 2006,
#2
i think you should change the first one because most of those bands arnt original hardcore bands.
#4
Quote by xAestheticx
Well what should I replace them with, prince?


Black Flag, Verbal Abuse, FEAR, Dr. Know, Ill Repute, Black Market Baby, Stalag 13, Bad Brains, D.O.A., Circle Jerks, J.F.A.
or something a long those lines
#5
Screamo is in no way borderline grindcore. I can see what you're trying to say though, and it makes sense, just not in the right terms.
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#6
Quote by xAestheticx
So, why are there people who don't like hardcore coming into a hardcore forum and stating how much they don't like hardcore music.
And it doesn't matter how long it took me, I did it so we'd have less genre threads popping up each day and so people who are uneducated on a genre can read it and get a general idea on it as well as some bands to listen to from that genre.
Yeah I agree that the little subgenre thing is a bit rediculous, but it's not going to go away anytime soon so we might as well try and get people to sound like they know what they're talking about when they insist on talking about it.


are you saying i dont like hardcore? i think its a bit stupid to try and educate someone on something you dont know much about yourself
#7
EDIT: ADDED MORE, MADE CORRECTIONS.

Hardcore-Punk
This genre was initially started in the 80's. It's an evolved form of punk with a little bit attenton paid to hard-hitting vocals. Some of it has heavier riffs and breakdowns, while some doesn't. The lyrics are usually very sincere and about things affecting the writer or things around the writer.
Some of the bands in this genre include: Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Cro-Mag's and Jerry's Kids.


Metalcore
This is hardcore music, with a very heavy metal influence. This music has more emphasis in the guitar writing and their's general screaming, breakdowns, and double bass drumming. Alot of bands in this genre are considered influential in today's music scene.
Some of the bands in this genre include: Between the Buried and Me, Dead To Fall, As I Lay Dying, August Burns Red

Old-School Hardcore
Hardcore with a dab of attitude. More aggressive vocals and heavier sounding guitars than that of traditional hardcore. These bands have the same "in your face"-ness as hardcore, but have a generally simpler "get to the point" lyrical attitude to them. Some of the bands in this genre include: Agnostic Front, Madball, Modern Life Is War and Remembering Never.

Grindcore
Music that is often confusing because of it's unique and odd structures, grindcore is some of the most brutal hardcore there is. The vocals range from the highest to the lowest of vocalists. Music is often set into short songs and very chaotic. Some bands of the this genre are: The Sawtooth Grin, See You Next Tuesday, Graf Orlock and Triumph of Gnomes

Deathcore
Melodic death metal mixed with grindcore = deathcore. The bands have very crunchy breakdowns and pack alot of blast beats and grindy type parts in their songs. Some of the bands in this genre include: Through the Eyes of the Dead, I Got Shot In The Face, Animosity, From A Second Story Window and Beneath the Massacre.

Post-Hardcore
This genre is considered a fusion of hardcore and indie influences This genre is much more down tempo, and features much more clean vocals than traditional hardcore.. Some bands in this genre include: At The Drive-In, Thrice, As Cities Burn

Screamo
Screamo is hardcore/metalcore music with lyrics leaning more towards "emo" than usual hardcore. Many obscure bands come from this genre due to it's wide range of acceptance into the genre, most music with screaming in it is first classified as "screamo".
Some bands are: Fear Before The March Of Flames, Thirty Years War, Nevea Tears and Chiodos

Mathcore
Mathcore is very complex hardcore, harshly influenced by jazz. It has many profound structure and time changes throughout songs. Most complex bands are mistakenly put into the Mathcore genre, BTBAM AND #12 ARE NOT MATHCORE.
Some bands are: The Dillinger Escape Plan, Orthrelm, Behold The Arctopus

Emo-Violence
Emo-violence was a genre brought together by bands like Saetia and Orchid in the mid-late nineties. Emo-Violence is a combination of the Screamo and Post-Hardcore genres, but usually recorded in a very raw and real manner. The instrumentation of the songs isn't very intricate, and songs can very in pace from slow to very fast.
Some bands are: Saetia, Orchid, Jerome's Dream and Circle Takes The Square.
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Last edited by SilentSpectacle at Jun 7, 2006,
#8
Quote by xAestheticx
No I wasn't saying that. And yes, I will admit. I don't know that much about hardcore. But I know more than half of these stupid ass kids out here that come in talking about how hardcore Atreyu is and that Job For A Cowboy is ****ing emodeath. Wtf? Ya know. I'm trying to make it stop.


ah yeah, i understand. its all good.
#9
So, why are there people who don't like hardcore coming into a hardcore forum and stating how much they don't like hardcore music. QUOTE]

Mostly cause i have nothing better to do
#10
I revised my original critique above.

I copied and pasted a lot of your original info, but put in what I think are better band selections, and deleted facts or thoughts I thought innecessary.
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#11
Thanks for your critique.
I know everyone won't agree, genres are partly decided on personal opinion.
I'll add your stuff to the original post.
#12
For hardcore punk put
Black Flag, D.O.A., Minor Threat (although they suck), Dead Kennedys (ditto)

and change oldschool hardcore to NYHardcore because oldschool hardcore can refer to anyone from The Germs to D.R.I.
#13
Quote by Prince
Minor Threat (although they suck)



and change oldschool hardcore to NYHardcore because oldschool hardcore can refer to anyone from The Germs to D.R.I.


No. Not all bands that sound "oldschool" are from New York. "Oldschool" isn't because they are old, it's the sound. The Germs don't sound "oldschool hardcore".
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#14
No. Not all bands that sound "oldschool" are from New York.

I know that cheif, but the bands you put down are from New York.

"Oldschool" isn't because they are old, it's the sound. The Germs don't sound "oldschool hardcore".

that right there is based on opinion. but to be honest i wouldnt assosiate madball or agnostic front with oldschool hardcore. and since it has nothing to do with when the band was formed, i think that Career Suicide has more a classic hardcore sound then Madball ever has.
#16
Quote by XMeatHookMartyX
Yeah, hey, can I like have my 5 minutes back?
I got nothing from that.


But you know you're just as sick of dumbasses making easy mistakes like that.
It wasn't meant to educate people familiar with familiarity to the genres,
Just people who can't get them right.
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#17
Warnings have been handed out to the mentally handicapped among us. I have a raging hang-over and you cunts are making my life harder.
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#18
The second write-up is filled with mistakes.

The first one is correct barring 4 glaring mistakes.
Dillinger, Daughters, BTBAM aren't grind and SDRE isn't emo.

I think that it should also be added that Screamo is also just a mere evolution of emo.

The second write-up..
How is Hatebreed Old School Hardcore?
They're the perfect fit for metalcore.. 50% Hardcore, 50% metal..

The whole screamo genre is wrong and most of the description of post-hardcore is..
Taking Back Sunday = Sensitive Hardcore
#19
Quote by SilentSpectacle
But you know you're just as sick of dumbasses making easy mistakes like that.
It wasn't meant to educate people familiar with familiarity to the genres,
Just people who can't get them right.


It should have read, "Idiots Must Read" Then.
#20
Quote by J Lock
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Dillinger, Daughters, BTBAM aren't grind


A lot of the true supposed ?true? grind fans don?t like to admit that Dillinger Escape Plan is grind, but a lot of them do know that the EP? ?Irony Is A Dead Scene? is a grind record. But the Metal forum has a perfectly good discription of what grind is, why are you guys creating a new one?

And also, Behold The Arctopus isn't a mathcore band, they're progressive.
Last edited by bloodstained at Jun 2, 2006,
#22
Quote by XMeatHookMartyX
It should have read, "Idiots Must Read" Then.


*shrugs*

I still would have read it.

actually, so would have anyone else who posted. so really, you won't win.
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#23
Ah stfu about it.
SilentSpectacle is right, and I said it myself.
I made it give people who were uneducated on the genres/subgenres some knowledge on it.
No need to argue over it.
#24
Just some life advice:

If one is trying to educate other people, then he who is educating should already be educated.
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#25
Quote by Prince
Black Flag, Verbal Abuse, FEAR, Dr. Know, Ill Repute, Black Market Baby, Stalag 13, Bad Brains, D.O.A., Circle Jerks, J.F.A.
or something a long those lines


Or, every other band pretty much mentioned there.
#26
Quote by xAestheticx
Ah stfu about it.
SilentSpectacle is right, and I said it myself.
I made it give people who were uneducated on the genres/subgenres some knowledge on it.
No need to argue over it.


I vote to renew this thread, and sticky it.

I also think it's pretty much correct.

Thanks to Dai for putting the idiots in their place.
#27
Thanks for the informative article. My family still don't believe screamo is a genre...
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#28
i just have one correction to make.

dillinger escape plan, between the buried and me, botch, and converge should not be in grindcore. the first three should have their own category (tech metal) and converge should be in metalcore.
#29
I think this thread should be stickied
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#30
May I say, there's MATHCORE now? What the fuck ever happened to subgenres, we may never know.
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#32
It may get done by me in a few weeks, but until my exams have finished I really don't have the time to do it as in-depth as i'd like. Anyone that wants to help out PM me and we'll sort something out. Alternativly look for the AIM SN thread and add me on there and we'll discuss it.
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#34
I don't get how Thirty Year War is screamo but Orchid isn't and how Embrace aren't hardcore but Minor Threat is.
#35
Quote by Leftover_Crack
I don't get how Thirty Year War is screamo but Orchid isn't and how Embrace aren't hardcore but Minor Threat is.

It's actually my opinion that Orchid is an emo-violence band. You can argue with that, but i've always thought that and genrelized them that way.
Minor Threat is always a weird one, they are mainly opinion.
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#36
Quote by Spaceman_Spiff
Good luck trying to teach people what real emo is. They never want to listen.


He won't have to, this isn't the emo forum.
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