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#1
First off, I know this sounds about as believable as a UFO sighting. No, the amp wasn't being played by Elvis or Bigfoot. I know I should probably be put in the iron maiden, burned at the stake, drawn and quartered, shot and pissed on, then ground into itty-bitty little pieces and flailed into oblivion for even suggesting such a ridiculous thing. Heresy like that usually never comes from this chap. But bear with me...

Sunday night, I was at a show featuring 5 local bands. The guitarist of one band usually uses a Peavey XXX head, but it was in getting repaired, and he was using a borrowed Marshall MG1000 head thru his Mesa Boogie oversized recto cabinet. I kind of chuckled to myself when I saw that at first. That was kind of like parking a Ford Festiva beside a Lamborghini. But then he fired it up to get his guitar setup and ****, and I was actually quite surprised. The low end was massive and actually masked the buzzy, bees-in-a-jar quality of the MG.

It certainly wasn't the best guitar tone I'd ever heard. I've heard many MGs, but only once thru a good cabinet (a Marshall 1960B), and I always found they sounded horrible. I was actually quite surprised to hear that an MG could actually deliver a decent, useable gigging tone. Sure, it was matched with a cab worth 5 times the price of the head, but still..

Anyway, since this is such a rare ocurrence, likely never to happen again, I thought I would share...
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#2
Yea i dont find anything wrong about MG's theyre Decent practice amps, People will just read someone say "MG's are ****e" then he or she will jump onto the band wagon, then everyone jumps on.

MG's are not bad. but not great Either.
#3
That's the key. They are ok practice amps. You're paying for the name and could get better sounding amps for the money, but for practice purposes, they're fine. But for gigging and band practice, they're just horrible, horrible amps. This was the first time in many, many, many, many years that I've heard an MG / Park that actually sounded decent for a gig.
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#4
In my opinion I think you can make any amp sound good enougn to gig with. It all depends on eq-ing and knowing your effects if any are used. The player, I think helps a lot to.
#6
^Yeah. I thought our schools Spider II sounded better when we gigged with it.
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The MG30 and up have potential to sound ok. And some of the hype has to be little kids who just turn everything to 10 and hope it sounds good(and the reliability issues). I never said it sounded good, mind you, it just a has a little potential.
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When amps are cranked beyond 100db its hard to tell their tonal nuances.
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#9
the MG30 and 15 that ive played were absolutely horrible, i was at my friends house and was just playing from the guitar straight to the amp and i tried tons of different EQ's but could not get a good clean or OD, and when i tried to play with him drumming the clean channel turned into a very blurry OD and with the OD i could hear anything except buzz, this was with the amp on like 6 too. i really hate how guitar center has MG's by all of the pedals like you can hear the pedals true tone through one, the MG can probably be okay with a Mesa cab but if you have the money for a mesa cab you could get a tube combo or head
#12
good thing i was also at the show. took a picture and everything.




or maybe im just a jaded mg owner. not sure.
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#13
D'OH! MG1000! lol

Yeah, it was a plain, stock MG100DFX head played with no pedals or no external effects. Like I said, I think the massive low end of the recto oversize cab is what made it sound so chunky. The owner of the head played in in the following set with his band and Laney cab and it sounded like ass.
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#14
^ I haven't had a lot of experience with the "overdrive" channel but I thought the clean channel was awful. Completely dull and lifeless, no sparkle what-so-ever, it made it that much harder to play because everything you were putting in just came out as crap.
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#15
I bought an MG100HDFX and a MG412A 4x12 not so long ago because it was a package going cheap and it was the biggest waste of money ever. I only ever play it through my Digitech GNX3 otherwise it sounds like sh1t! I usually end up playing through my 15 year old Peavey Bandit !!!!!!!!
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#16
Quote by jj1565
good thing i was also at the show. took a picture and everything.




or maybe im just a jaded mg owner. not sure.


lmao Jenny.

Anyways, I've tried really hard to get a good tone out of one. You HAVE to make sure the "FDD" thing is on. The only way I got a decent tone out of it was by not turning it up past about 3...
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The only way I got a decent tone out of it was by not turning it up past about 3...


And that's the reason they make good home practice amps only. They're good at low bedroom practice levels, but as soon as the volume goes above 4, the tone just falls to pieces and it sounds like angry bees in a jar.
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#18
I like how my bees quote is used everywhere now

Nice write-up, Crunch, I'm curious now. I may have to try that next time I'm at a Guitar Center...
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I like how my bees quote is used everywhere now

Nice write-up, Crunch, I'm curious now. I may have to try that next time I'm at a Guitar Center...


LOL. I've been using the 'bees in a jar' quote to describe these amps since they were originally the Park by Marshall series in the 80s. Even as a noob I knew they sounded like ass.
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LOL. I've been using the 'bees in a jar' quote to describe these amps since they were originally the Park by Marshall series in the 80s. Even as a noob I knew they sounded like ass.


I didnt, i thought everyone was wrong until i heard another same size amp.

Blew my away the difference, nasty nasty amps.

They sound like **** and fall to peices pretty fast.

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#22
They started out as Park-branded amps, and had a tiny "by Marshall" logo on the front grill. The series flopped because they sounded like ass.

Then they rebranded them Marshall Park series. They also flopped because of the stigma of the Park name. They were now "Marshalls", but still flopped because they were the same amp as before. So they discontinued the Park series altogether and retired the name.

The following year, they released the MG series. They were identical in every way, except came in different power ratings than the old Park amps. The series took off like wildfire because of the brand name.
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#23
mines a G series, with the amp marked mg. i guess they just the G on for a year or so?

edit: i mean speaker marked MG, amps marked G50
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#24
It's possible. They made a lot of changes to their lineup at the time to try to shake the stigma of the Park amps.
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#25
haha, awesome, crunch!

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#26
Fascinating, this just goes to show that speaker cabs do really make a difference. And with a little know how with some settings almost anything is feesibly possible. But then again most people who own an MG half stack don't even know that you can really buy mesa stuff. "What, you mean I can own the same amp that the guy from Green Day has!! Oh my I think I just creamed my shorts. Oh it is how much you say? Hmm I think I will just stick with my squire strat and my MG, hey its a Marshall isn't it."
#27
I think that the MG's with two channels are good, no the little tiny ones. Those suck dick but besides that other oens are ok, wouldnt ever gig with one though. (i gig with a glx212 )
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#29
Did you move around much when he was playing? It might of just sounded good in the spot you were in.
#30
I laugh at the guys thinking that it was the cab, or the spot he was getting, or any crap like that. It was one thing, his playing. EQ might have had some effect, but the primary reason it sounded good was because he sounded good.
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#31
^fair enough. the recto cab would pump out heaps of bass. assuming the amp had the balls to do it. which i higly doubt, becasue we have a MG100DFX at school. and anywhere past 4 on the volume the bass just falbs out and the amp turns to treble. pure treble.
but whatever. if your thought it sounded good then power to you, but i thnk i'll stick with my DSL.
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#32
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Did you move around much when he was playing? It might of just sounded good in the spot you were in.


I started off standing right in front of the amp from the edge the stage (that's only 16 inches high), about 8 feet away from the cab. I then moved back to the center of the room to hear it from the PA system. This is a new venue in town, so I was lsitening from everywhere just to check room acoustics. At that volume, I could only hear the cab directly when I was at the edge of the stage. But thru the PA it sounded decent too

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..but the primary reason it sounded good was because he sounded good.

He was pretty good. No doubt about that. And that is a big part of any sound. Give a good guitarist a Squier and a little 10W Marshall MG, and he can make it sound good.

But the big thing about the tone was that it lacked the bees-in-a-jar buzzing that's so characteristic of that amp. It's 'annoying factor' wasn't so perceivable with the recto cab.


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..we have a MG100DFX at school. and anywhere past 4 on the volume the bass just falbs out and the amp turns to treble.


He had the master volume at about 4. That's one of the things I took notice of, because above that, the tone really goes to shìt.
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#33
ah ok.
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#34
Last year in my school we had an elective called band, but it wasnt band it was like rock band (guitars, drums, bass) and when we would play, everyone except me fought for the Marshall MG. I went over to the Mesa Rectifier.... Right.
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I laugh at the guys thinking that it was the cab, or the spot he was getting, or any crap like that. It was one thing, his playing. EQ might have had some effect, but the primary reason it sounded good was because he sounded good.


yeah good point. But a Recto cab actually will make...well anything sound at least a little better....
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Either way MG's still suck


hey fuk u buddy

the MG aint no mesa and thats what u lot are compairing it to so just stop slaming it. no one gives a toss about ur dumbass opinion on an MG its all been heard b4.
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hey fuk u buddy

the MG aint no mesa and thats what u lot are compairing it to so just stop slaming it. no one gives a toss about ur dumbass opinion on an MG its all been heard b4.


Mesa?

Bitch, please.

Preid used to defend MGs all the time. Then he went and played a few amps at his local store. Now he doesn't.

I have never played a more irritating amp than a Marshall MG. I've made Fender Frontmans sound better. Add that to the fact that you can get equivalent-wattage Vox and Cube amps for less money, and there is NO POINT to the MG series.
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hey fuk u buddy

the MG aint no mesa and thats what u lot are compairing it to so just stop slaming it. no one gives a toss about ur dumbass opinion on an MG its all been heard b4.


nigga, please, go play your Encore through your little MG15FX and let the big boys play
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