#1
Alright, so finally I've got 300 bucks plus whatever I get from selling a ****ty ABG and a ****ty Ibanez. The amp search time has come.

I'm going to be competing with a 120 watt crate guitar amp and a currently unmiked drumset. Obviously nothing will likley be turned up to 100%, but would a 125 watt cheapish backline GK halfstack or combo cut through the mix?

And what exactly is an ohm? what is the difference between 4 Ohms and 8 Ohms?

I love the sound of the ampeg BA-115, but its only 100 watts, and am I right in thinking it wouldn't stand a chance? The next one up is a bit out of my price range, even used (which is generally what I'm looking for).

More to come, maybe. But if you could help me out on that I'd be much obliged.
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#2
a 50 watt valve combo will do u for just about anything. That'd easily cut through the mix if u crank the mids. However, ure pricing is neither here no there tbh, u could spend 300 on a pretty rubbish amp and want to upgrade in three or four years meaning u just lost out on 300 for no reason. If it was a practice amp id say go for it but i recommend going for something more pricey if u want to do decent sized gigs with it and still wana hold the quality.
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#3
a 100 watt amp is more then enough, if you are just useing it in band pratice then youll never have to use the full 100 watts anyway, and if you use it at a gig or seomthing, you will be mic'd so you dont really have to worry much, even a 50 watt would be fine
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#4
The Ohm is a unit of electrical resistance. This is important in electronics. What it means for amplifiers is that the lower the resistance is, the more power the amplifier will output. However, if the resistance is too low, there will be a large amount of heat built up, and this could destroy the amplifier's circuitry. So when matching a head and cabinet(s), make sure that the total resistance is equal to or higher than the head's minimum resistance (which is usually the lowest resistance for which a power rating is supplied).

If you have more than one cabinet, the way to find the total resistance is to use this equation:

1/Rtot = 1/R1 + 1/R2 + ...

Where Rtot is the total resistance, and R1, R2, etc are the resistances of the cabinets.

Many people will say impedence instead of resistance. Impedence is, in fact, the correct term for this context, but it's not a very important distinction for just a musician buying an amp. And the word resistance, I think, gives a better idea of what's really happening.
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#5
I wouldn't get the BA115. It doesn't sound that good (especially once you're not in a noisy music store).


If I were you, I'd save up a bit more and get a GK Backline 210. Wish i had gotten a 210 instead of the 115, myself.
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#6
ur gonna want a half stack if ur guitarist has a 120 watt amp. 200 watts atleast.

this is kinda pushy, but its simply for sound quality, ur guitarist is gonna sound a lot better than you will, and ur guitarist's amp at half will sound quite a bit louder (and better) than a 100watt bass amp at full.

musiciansfriend had a half stack combo for pretty cheap, consider that.
#7
Maybe if you can pull together a little more money you could buy an Avatar cab, and then find a used PA power amp for very cheap and run a multi-effects unit through it. Maybe a Behringer V-amp or something. It won't be uber great, but it would be relatively low cost and easily upgradeable.
#8
The musiciansfriend halfstack is a 115 cab with a 125 watt head. Won't really help anymore than a GK 115 backline combo.

Whats the sound difference between the 210 and the 115?
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#9
I've got a quick question about amps, but it's not worth of a seperate thread, so i hope you'll forgive me for highjacking this one for a tiny bit.

When an amp has "Ground Lifts", what does that mean? I've read it a lot in bass magazines and i've never understood it.
#10
OHM is a Red Hot Chili Peppers album with Dave Navarro instead of John Frusciante................no? not funny? Okay, I'll leave now.
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#13
Ah I get it now... You should have put it "Ohm" though, not "OHM". It would have been mroe easily recognizable.

And not to spam up my own thread, what is the scoop on Augilar (sp?) amps? I've heard some good and some not so good thigns about them, anyone have one/played one?
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#14
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Maybe if you can pull together a little more money you could buy an Avatar cab, and then find a used PA power amp for very cheap and run a multi-effects unit through it. Maybe a Behringer V-amp or something. It won't be uber great, but it would be relatively low cost and easily upgradeable.



yeah good idea bumper, your smart, goodlookin, and good at bass! lol


yeah check ebay for use PA power amps and things. and as some others said 100 should be good cause the guitarist isent using all those watts right?
#15
do check out eBay... lots of great deals out there...

GrimReaper: Ground lift is for DI's or line outputs on amps... If the amp and mixing desk are on different outlets, it can cause a ground-loop, some sort of humming/static... To get rid of this, they cut the ground of the DI so it isn't connected with the ground on the mixing desk. Offcourse grounded is better, but it there's no other way...
All DI-boxes (not in amps) have ground-lift switches.

And Junkstuff did a great explanation of resistance or in our situation impedance... I had an exam on this this morning...
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#16
Yertle, I expected more from you... please search before asking some of these questions...

And what exactly is an ohm? what is the difference between 4 Ohms and 8 Ohms?

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374339
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350159&highlight=watts

I'm going to be competing with a 120 watt crate guitar amp and a currently unmiked drumset. Obviously nothing will likley be turned up to 100%, but would a 125 watt cheapish backline GK halfstack or combo cut through the mix?

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350630&highlight=watts
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290894&highlight=watts

Whats the sound difference between the 210 and the 115?

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309688&highlight=watts

And in general: (Amp suggestions around $400, reviews of other amps around same wattage/pricerange, GK vs. Ampeg)
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324656&highlight=watts
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303201&highlight=watts
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292326&highlight=watts
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276274&highlight=watts
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364038&highlight=speaker

Now, since I like you, I'm going to repeat myself
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144244
Read that before asking anymore wattage/impedence questions.

A 2x10 will give you a more defined high end (treble/high mids). A 1x15 will "shake" things and give you a very responsive low end (bass/low mids). A 12 inch speaker will be just in the middle of both of these, and is great if you are only looking to purchase 1 cabinet.

120 watts is enough to play with a loud drummer as far as Gallien-Kreuger watts go. 400 watts is enough to play with a loud drummer as far as Behringer watts go. Gallien Kreuger amps always give more wattage than what is stated. Ampegs will give exactly what is stated.

Ampegs will sound like almost every other amp. Very unoriginal tone. People like it because they can match the tone of their favorite artists. However, GK's don't have a tone. They provide you with the tools to shape your own original tone, which is why I like them. They don't have any kind of personality, and do a great job of bringing out the owner's personality. They also bring out the tone of your bass (like the wood, bridge, etc) much more predominantly than other amps. This is why I prefer GK over Ampeg. One isn't better than the other, they just do different things.

That is a VERY breif overveiw of the links of the threads I posted above.
But please remember to search first and ask questions later

EDIT: I did like the thread name though


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#17
dam incubus, alot of links alot of typing, heh you pretty much covered the whole thing lol


EDIT: and the search engine sometimes isent the greatest in the world...
#18
Yea. Besides, none specifically answer the issue of 125 watts verse 120 watts verse drummer. You pretty much did that admirably, though. And the impedence thing didn't make any real sense to me or answer the question strait out, so therefore, rehashed in another possibly meaniningless thread.
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