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xxgenocide98xx
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Since there seems to be about five billion threads on the 5150 I've decided to take it upon myself to make a thread where users can post questions/answers etc for the 5150. I've got one, several other forum-goers have them, and well.. lets keep the GG&A forum SPAM-FREE so check here for a whole bunch of info on the 5150s.

Fire away.
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I noticed this too.


Information:

The 5150 is the exact same as the 6505.

The 5150 II is the exact same as the 6505+.

The II/ + has better cleans, and less gain.

The 5150/6505 can have decent cleans with a chorus pedel, despite what many think.

The block letter and the signature amps only difference is factory tube quality.

The 5150/6505 is low mid focused, making it a very dark amp. Peavey bright amp is the XXX.


Hope this helps.
Last edited by TheFluffy at Jun 15, 2006,
Blinded0n1sidE
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THANK YOU! seriously ive been going thru all these damned threads answering the same questions over and over!

So yeah, I own (well...I used to OWN it, but I sold it to the guitar player in my band. He lives about 45 seconds away from me so I still consider it mine) a modded 6505. So yeah, I pretty much...liked it...but never had a use for it for some reason...and neither does the kid I sold it to...oh well.

Its a kick ass amp anyways, and I love it.

[edit] I would do this but I dont have time.

Someone make a big list of all the cabs that go good with the head!
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In my opinion cabs that go well with the 5150-

5150 straight cab

Any of these as 2x12s or 4x12s-
ENGL Traditional w/ v30s
Marshall 1960a or AV.
MesaBoogie Traditonal w/ v30s
Genz Benz G-Flex
Carvin Legacy
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is it true the 6505 + has less gain then the normal one?
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Quote by numbfinger
is it true the 6505 + has less gain then the normal one?

Yes

Read the second post.
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uhh yeah...i diod dude


im just conferming it...have you used both side by side? same cab, same guitar??
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^ Ive read a lot of things saying that the 6505+ has less gain then the 6505...although the amount is unnoticable to most. Besides, with an amp like that who cares which has more or less gain...the bottom line is that the amp has more gain then youll ever need. lol

I also talked to the amp tech for the band Blindside about the amp. (Simon, the guitarist of Blindside was there as well and hes used the 5150 since like 1994) Anyways, he also mentioned that the 6505+/5150II is a "little more laid back".
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wiat, wasn't it that the +/II had more gain on the rhythm channel, while the lead channel was unaltered?
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Quote by gpderek09
wiat, wasn't it that the +/II had more gain on the rhythm channel, while the lead channel was unaltered?

No, noob.
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yes n00b.
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Yeah.. on a Double Recto I cant stand a gain above 5, so... the 6505+.. enough gain for that?
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hah...yeah

my XXX gain stays below 4.. its at 1.5 when i have it cranked...dont even need a noise gate
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^ n00b. you're hardly a gain \/\/hore.

ben:
XxGenocide98xX: Tell him that thread he linked to is WRONG
XxGenocide98xX: [15:33] XxGenocide98xX: because its true, what would an extra preamp tube do for CLEAN headroom?
[15:33] XxGenocide98xX: it would give you more gain 'headroom'
[15:33] XxGenocide98xX: duh
[15:34] XxGenocide98xX: but if you wanted a cleaner channel you'd take one of those 12ax7s out
[15:34] XxGenocide98xX: not put another one in
[15:34] XxGenocide98xX: haha
[15:34] Erock: yeah, adding 12at7 instead of 12ax7 would give less gain
[15:34] Erock: adding more power tubes would add headroom
[15:34] Erock: not adding another 12ax7 though
[15:35] XxGenocide98xX: yes

pwnt.
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Lol you got unbanned again fluffy, I have a feeling you'll be seeing exile island quite soon again.

Yea and wtf gain at 4?? The JSX sounds like a little crunch box if I put it under 6 on ultra lol.

And anybody know why the 5150II has only one input and the regular has 2 like most master volume amps?

EDIT: Derek lol you're the man, I was asking myself the same question about that. Usually when you want less gain you put in a 12AU7 or AT7 because they have less gain than the AX7.
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^
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Quote by JimiMan1535
Lol you got unbanned again fluffy, I have a feeling you'll be seeing exile island quite soon again.

Yea and wtf gain at 4?? The JSX sounds like a little crunch box if I put it under 6 on ultra lol.

And anybody know why the 5150II has only one input and the regular has 2 like most master volume amps?

EDIT: Derek lol you're the man, I was asking myself the same question about that. Usually when you want less gain you put in a 12AU7 or AT7 because they have less gain than the AX7.



I was banned for like...2 days..dick. Any why do you think ill be banned again?


Maybe the JSX has less gain then the XXX? Hmm..


And to Derek, you suck!
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I can't imagine any type of Gain below 3 o' clock, seriously.
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I can't imagine any type of Gain below 3 o' clock, seriously.

Then you are an idiot.

If i have my amp cranked, and the gain is up, i get feedback...and at that volume level...there is no difference between gain on 2 or gain on 10.

So, its kinda like feedback vs no feedback. You decide.
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Any why do you think ill be banned again?




If you don't drop that idiotic attitude, you will.
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this has tunred into the ben pwning thread.

and there is a difference in the gain. n00blet. even when i crank my XXX the gain still needed to be there. the amp's tone is based more in the pre-amp anyway. just like the 5150.
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his ears cant tell the difference between feedback and distortion. its alright son, one day you'll learn and then you will truly be a real boy.
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How does the 6505 handle classic/hard rock?
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his ears cant tell the difference between feedback and distortion. its alright son, one day you'll learn and then you will truly be a real boy.

Yeah, i get tons of distortion when im not playing.

Quote by gpderek09
this has tunred into the ben pwning thread.

and there is a difference in the gain. n00blet. even when i crank my XXX the gain still needed to be there. the amp's tone is based more in the pre-amp anyway. just like the 5150.


I know it still has to be there, but when its saturated (for me its around 2((i think it should be 2, as there are no numbers))) a hole boat load of gain on top of it will not change the sound.
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Anyone got an answer for my above question?
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Anyone got an answer for my above question?

Is Van Halen classic rock? Is the 5150 Van Halens signature amp? Its not too hard to figure out.
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^ well his were heavily modded i hear.

and it'll do it alright. may sound a bit like an orange, but no where near as nice.
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Quote by gpderek09
^ well his were heavily modded i hear.

and it'll do it alright. may sound a bit like an orange, but no where near as nice.

I havnt heard about them being modded...

Ive heard it was a 5150 with soldano parts inside.
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well that would be modded then wouldn't it?
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well that would be gutted then wouldn't it?

I suppose
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Quote by Blinded0n1sidE
^ Ive read a lot of things saying that the 6505+ has less gain then the 6505...although the amount is unnoticable to most. Besides, with an amp like that who cares which has more or less gain...the bottom line is that the amp has more gain then youll ever need. lol

I also talked to the amp tech for the band Blindside about the amp. (Simon, the guitarist of Blindside was there as well and hes used the 5150 since like 1994) Anyways, he also mentioned that the 6505+/5150II is a "little more laid back".



well are the cleans worth the lack of gain over the 6505?? (in the 6505+) like are they good enough to sacrifice the gain. (i use gain at 10) ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!

i play Melodic Death, Grindcore, Power metal...so yeha i use cleans ALOT less than distortion..and lots of it

so which would be the better value..the extra 60 or so bucks for the + or a pedal for the cleans>?
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Well since you don't use your cleans alot and ALWAYS!!!!!!!!! have your gain at 10, I wouldn't put more money into an amp that had better cleans and less gain. Grab a chorus pedal for the cleans and call it a day.
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How does the 6505 handle classic/hard rock?


The Nuge uses them.
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Quote by love_O_rock
How does the 6505 handle classic/hard rock?


not too bad, actually (judging by the 6505+ i tried). It's the cleans and blues tones that aren't all that great, in my opinion.

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I was looking at the 6505 ... and its got a closed back right? How does one route the amp's output to the combo's speakers using an attenuator ? Or do I have to have a cab and send the output of the amp to the attenuator and attenuator to cab ?

thanks

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I was looking at the 6505 ... and its got a closed back right? How does one route the amp's output to the combo's speakers using an attenuator ? Or do I have to have a cab and send the output of the amp to the attenuator and attenuator to cab ?

thanks

Umm, you need some help dude.

If you go half stack. You need to go Head -- > Attn ---> cab.

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i use gain at 10) ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!



There is no reason to dime your gain. EVER!!. Especially on a amp with this much gain. I bet it sounds terrible. Seriouly, i love gain. I keep my tone saturated, but there a point where you are just hiding behind your gain.
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^ I was going to post the same thing.

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Umm, you need some help dude.

The 6505 doesnt come in a combo. Its head only. So you need a cab, or a combo with power amp in. And if you need a attn, then its Head -- >attn -- >cab.


You need the help bro.