#1
I went to the local GC today to try out a few guitars, and I noticed that the good guitars are so much easier to play than my crappy Epiphone SG Special. The action's lower, the strings don't buzz, it seems to take less pressure to fret the strings, etc.

So, I was wondering if having a bad guitar would cause you to develop bad habits. For instance, I feel like I fret my strings really hard to try and eliminate string buzz... when on the nicer guitars, you don't even need to fret that hard.

And just in general, the nicer guitars seemed so much more enjoyable to play... although I don't know if this is due to them being easier to play, or if it was just the thrill of using a new/expensive guitar.
#2
I see what you mean, and I think it's true. I play Gibsons and the like at Guitar Center and it just owns my Ibanez. It may be because of the thrill, but either way it's better.
#3
well, you can shred a lot better on an ibanez than you can on a gibson. It wont make you a worse player, it'll just influence your style.

EDIT: I'm talking about a GOOD ibanez.
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#4
No, playing a nice guitar does not make you better. It may sound better, but you're not better for having played it.
#5
No it dosen't really make a difference, you just need to have your guitar set up. My gibson played like crap until I had it set up and now it is my best playing guitar. Lay down some cash for a set up, and watch your playing imrove.
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#6
That's bull****. The more difficult the action, the more you compensate, the better you become. If you learn on an expensive guitar that has a dream-like action, you won't have to overcome things to get a good sound. If you play on a cheap Epi that is less than perfect, through compensating, you learn to do things that you wouldn't otherwise get. Same with amps. My first real amp was/is ****, and as a result, I learned to play hard to get a good metal tone out of it. It gave me my own, personal style. While smooth guitars certainly help you play better, you don't learn as fast on them.

Off-topic, when you go to Guitar Center, don't judge the Stratocaster. Keep in mind they haven't been set up AT ALL, their bridges are fixed (which ruins the action), and they're strung with ****ty, thin strings.
#7
It won't improve your ability, but it may improve your drive to practice, if you enjoy playing the guitar more.
#8
What should you tell the people to do when they change the setup? Like if you were to buy one what do you ask to change?
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#9
The crappier guitar you play at first, the better then playing will sound on a good guitar later.

Same with playing like an acoustic, having to fret harder than an electric, then playing an electric and being able to go a lot faster. :]
#10
Ask them to check the action and intonation mainly, those are my 2 pet peeves. Having a guitar that's not set up may cause you to play harder, but why waste the extra effort when you can do the same thing with half the work? That's my theory.
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#11
i just got a brand new ibanez today, and i sound twice as good as i did on my crappy guitar.
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#12
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i just got a brand new ibanez today, and i sound twice as good as i did on my crappy guitar.



but do you play twice as good?
#13
Quote by globetro


So, I was wondering if having a bad guitar would cause you to develop bad habits. For instance, I feel like I fret my strings really hard to try and eliminate string buzz... when on the nicer guitars, you don't even need to fret that hard.

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having to fret harder will grow muscle strength, if you want to legato, your guitar could be making a good habit
#14
I had always thought that you were supposed to fret the strings as hard as you can. It wasn't until recently that I found out that you should only fret just firmly enough to get a clean sound, and that fretting too hard is a bad thing. That's why I thought that a poorly setup guitar with high action might cause you to develop a bad habit of fretting too hard.
#15
it depends on the maintenance of your guitar..
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#16
Well, it has to be a correct guitar, as in like set up properly, in tune as much as possible, playable action.
If those aren't right, personally, I would think it could deter you as a player.
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#17
i personally think it makes a difference, but if you suck at guitar, and buy a $2000 Gibson, it wont make you good. My plan is to play lower-end guitars with not as good playablitity for a while, and then buy a really nice guitar (probably a JS1000) after i have alot of talent. That should make me improve even more.
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#18
I suggest you set up your guitar properly, globetro. It's not very difficult.
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#19
cheap guitars with mile high action, buzz and worn impossible to bend on frets will make most sound worse and a beginner absolutely dejected.
#21
This question swings both ways. While it makes playing easier, it doesn't neccesarrily make you a better player. In contrast, playing a cheapie for years will make you sound pro when you do play a nice guitar.

I don't see why people around here are so snobby regarding cheap gear. I have a £95 SG copy, and another £95 Telecaster copy. They play quite nicely after a set up.

Furthermore, ANY guitar sounds good in the hands of a good player. On my Fender instructional DVD the dude plays a low end squire, through a Frontman, and it still sounds cool. There really is no substitute for practice!
#22
Of course not it would help to have a good guitar for the sound, but your ability to play isn't based on your guitar...
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#26
Does everyone like their action low? Because I like mine above a bit for better controll over bending and vibratos.
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#27
Well if your guitar's neck is so bent out of shape that it actually screws up your playing, you obviously shouldn't be playing it at all.

But no, when you work with crummier guitars, you learn to compensate and work around the high action, and other annoyances.

If you're just used to playing a nice smooth guitar then when you play other guitars, you'll suck because you won't know how to adjust to different guitars.

Sure you can maybe play faster on a nice guitar, but that's just because you're used to playing slower on the cheaper guitar. Put is this way, when you really do achieve that awesome speed and control on a crappy guitar, when you play a good one, you'll play like you're a professional, effortlessly.
#28
I would've thought that if you can play well on a crappy guitar that when you progress to a better quality axe you'd be better.
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#29
It matters not. If a guitar is not set up well -- either cheap or expensive -- it
will be frustrating to play. And cheap guitars can be setup up very well providing
there's nothing wrong with it. My cheap guitar is just as comfy to play as many of
my expensive ones.

Also, action is a fairly individual thing. Al Dimeola likes to play with high action
on heavy strings -- on an acoustic no less! Obviously he's very good, but you
can't tell me it's impossible to play well (or fast) with high action.
#30
I played a Gibson LP yesterday, and heck was I unimpressed. I picked it up expecting it to play like a dream. Despite being 3 times the price I paid for my used US Tele, my Fender completely beat it HANDS DOWN.
That said, my Tele beats my Squire Strat hands down too.
And how can you say you learn slower on a poor guitar? No you dont! Take barre chords for example - on my tele, it is a dream to play them - I hardly have to apply any pressure, allowing me to learn new variations and the other forms in very little time.
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#31
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If you're just used to playing a nice smooth guitar then when you play other guitars, you'll suck because you won't know how to adjust to different guitars.


So are you telling me just because I play on a Fender tele, Ill suck when I play on other guitars........ so what, should I go back to my Squire Strat? I think not.
Who cares if you suck on other peoples guitars.....
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#32
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It matters not. If a guitar is not set up well -- either cheap or expensive -- it
will be frustrating to play. And cheap guitars can be setup up very well providing
there's nothing wrong with it. My cheap guitar is just as comfy to play as many of
my expensive ones.

Also, action is a fairly individual thing. Al Dimeola likes to play with high action
on heavy strings -- on an acoustic no less! Obviously he's very good, but you
can't tell me it's impossible to play well (or fast) with high action.

yes but how many Al Dimeolas do you run across playing in clubs or jamming at a music store? For a beginner a well set up guitar makes all the difference.
#33
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yes but how many Al Dimeolas do you run across playing in clubs or jamming at a music store? For a beginner a well set up guitar makes all the difference.


Didn't I say that in my first paragraph?

I was just pointing out high action isn't necessarily = bad setup.
#34
Playing on a crappy guitar that takes more work to play well would make you better because of the extra effort u must put in to sound good. I play my squire or washburn about 95% of the time and switch to the gibson or ibanez for band practices/shows. It makes it feel so much easier and its like a treat to play a guitar that feels good.
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#35
i got this gibson les paul that just had the frets redressed and the unwound g strings buzzes against the frets anyone tell me the problem?
#36
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No, playing a nice guitar does not make you better. It may sound better, but you're not better for having played it.

That wasn't the question. The question was if a bad guitar could make you a bad player, and it can. How is someone going to practice on a plank of wood with 6 strings and 5 cm action?
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#38
Look Malmsteen guitar, it got high action and is harder to fret cause the scalloped fretboard. However, he learned the way to shred on that giving it an amazin tone and cleaness. A bad guitar won't make you a bad player, its affects the learning process slowing it.