#1
Ok, we all have opinions and i would like to know yours.

Who do you believe are the most influential hardcore/metal bands on the modern hardcore/metalcore sound?

My top, eh let's say.....5:

1) Converge
2) Deadguy
3) At The Gates
4) Zao
5) Dream Theater (don't laugh, he invented most modern metalcore riffs)
#2
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5) Dream Theater (don't laugh, he invented most modern metalcore riffs)


Woah, dude, what song's riffs are appearing in metalcore? I don't see what influence John Petrucci is having on these hardcore/metalcore guys.
#3
im sorry.
the title made me laugh and i thought it was a joke

anyways
yeah. petrucci didn't influence them. if he did... they might be better.
plus the "metalcore" riffs became prevalant on train of thought pretty much
and that was after the metalcore stuff was starting off...
my theory.
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im sorry.
the title made me laugh and i thought it was a joke

anyways
yeah. petrucci didn't influence them. if he did... they might be better.
plus the "metalcore" riffs became prevalant on train of thought pretty much
and that was after the metalcore stuff was starting off...
my theory.


i can agree with your theory....but i can also add on that metalcore riffs have become more technical and progressive since he began using them more frequently....

aside from you guys disagreeing....what do you guys think....back on topic that is
#5
Dillinger Escape Plan - set a new standard for technical hardcore

Napalm Death

The ones you listed are like "The founding fathers" of their respective sub-genres, so of course those are all gonna be very influential.(Minus petrucci, i dont know what to think about that) i thought most metalcore influence was drawn from at the gates and european metal but i really dont know.
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#7
For tough-guy hardcore, Agnostic Front. I don't listen to much Dream Theater or any Petrucci but I've never heard his riffs considered to be in any way Metal/Metalcore.
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#8
hardcore-minor threath, black flag, gorilla biscuits, and unfortunately quite possibly refused

metalcore-slayer, pantera, iron maiden, at the gates
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#9
none of those bands in the first post are hardcore

and only at the gates launched a million ripoffs
#10
i dont think id call dream theater one of the most influential...but i think anyone that pulls some of petruccis or Rudesses (they keyboardist) or ...hell...any one of the members ideas is pretty damn smart for doing so. theres a reason dream theater are what they are.

i think theres some ideas to be had with dream theater than are used, but i woudlnt say petrucci has or ever will crank out hardcore style riffs...

than again, the technial sort of atonal or wahtever pieces littered all over their 20 years of history can really be found in alot of stuff...but whos to say its becasue OF dream theater...*shrug*

hats off though...i love them
#11
lol Zao are hella influential, almost as much as Dream Theater.
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probly one of THE most influential along with converge i guess
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#17
Hardcore - Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, Black Flag, Descendents, Gorilla Biscuits, Youth Of Today, Bad Brains, The Misfits and loads of others I really can't be bothered to list.

Metalcore - Merauder, Pantera (despite being a metal band they pretty much invented the beatdown). That's about my knowledge on metalcore.
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Metalcore - Merauder, Pantera (despite being a metal band they pretty much invented the beatdown). That's about my knowledge on metalcore.


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#20
Metalcore? Metalcore was at it's prime (on the market) round 2000-2005. Myself - I reckon it was at it's prime during the 90's when it wasfirst forming. Pineered with some classic early 90's act such as Killswitch Engage (any fan of hardcore - in any form - will love their debut album. Nothing like the stuff they produced in their next two - specially the crap on EOH) and Caliban.... Heaven Shall Burn...

The Germans got it write for once. To sample what the early forms of metalcore sound like - check out Vide Infra, In The Unblind, Numb Sickened Eyes - and my personal favourite - Soilborn. (All from KsE's debut - unshamefully yet suprisingly - one of my favourite albums of all time).
#21
I'm just going to go ahead and name the obvious ones. Siege, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys, and Minor Threat.